On October 18 2011 12:17 Elroi wrote: Fuck. I just don't understand this. What the fuck is wrong with this world? Greedy, cold, moronic people everywhere. People who just walk by, they are not human. As far as I'm concerned these people are not human beings.
On October 18 2011 12:17 Elroi wrote: Fuck. I just don't understand this. What the fuck is wrong with this world? Greedy, cold, moronic people everywhere. People who just walk by, they are not human. As far as I'm concerned these people are not human beings.
Exactly my thoughts.
The problem is these people are human beings. Repeating what I said earlier human beings display tendencies to shy away from these crisis situations. It's called the bystander effect.
On October 18 2011 12:00 SilverLeagueElite wrote: I remember China having a 1 child per couple law. If a current child dies, would couples be eligible to have another child?
What the fuck? Is that really the way you think about kids?
Yes, in China the one child policy does really lead to situations in which these quandaries inconceivable to our customs arise. I believe that couples can file for the right to have another child if their first dies before adulthood.
That said, it isn't as if the government restricts child-bearing beyond one per family. The policy isn't enforced in the rural areas, and generally the only punishment for breaking the one child policy is loss of tax benefits, government promotions, and loss of free education.
Once again with the first child dead you are allowed to have another child without paying the tax. Same with if your child is extremely disabled, and other near inoperable state
On October 18 2011 12:17 Elroi wrote: Fuck. I just don't understand this. What the fuck is wrong with this world? Greedy, cold, moronic people everywhere. People who just walk by, they are not human. As far as I'm concerned these people are not human beings.
As upset as you are about what happened, you have to realize that the people who walked on ARE HUMAN. They just don't measure up to what you think is appropriate. Whether that be the case, you cannot deny that they are human beings.
Human beings are animals and the very first reaction to a situation is primal. It's the human consciousness that overrides that primal instinct. It's been shown that this is true and that the overriding effect happens about half a second after the initial urge occurs.
either way. I don't mean to blow my own horn if that's what you think. I think the way i think. I can only hope that whatever you say is coming from a good place, even if you are terribly misguided.
On October 18 2011 12:00 SilverLeagueElite wrote: I remember China having a 1 child per couple law. If a current child dies, would couples be eligible to have another child?
What the fuck? Is that really the way you think about kids?
hrm? when i was 15 or whatever we done it in school and learnt how, if they had a girl instead of a boy, chinese would have illegal abortions or give the child away or just kill it so they can try again for a boy. otherwise theyd lose all state support (eg schooling) if they had more than 1
On October 18 2011 12:17 Elroi wrote: Fuck. I just don't understand this. What the fuck is wrong with this world? Greedy, cold, moronic people everywhere. People who just walk by, they are not human. As far as I'm concerned these people are not human beings.
Exactly my thoughts.
The problem is these people are human beings. Repeating what I said earlier human beings display tendencies to shy away from these crisis situations. It's called the bystander effect.
I'm sure we can think up many pretty names, blaming our actions on this effect or that syndrome. But it all comes down to who we are individually, so don't feed me this ''human beings display tendencies'' excuse.
People really aren't getting the fact that should idea that there is a chance, however small, that if you do help that girl, you could end up on your fucking ass with your entire family with you. Now I guess if you really wanna be a white knight, go for it (especially if you don't have anyone relying on you like a family etc), but think about what the consequences would be should you do it. I'm not bashing anyone that says they would help that kid, cause I really would have liked to see someone help that kid in the video, but I don't get how you guys are blaming them for not doing it. Now I've never had kids but I know damn well that I wouldn't want to reduce my family to living on the streets no matter what the cost is. Yes, its fucked up, but it's not their fault and it's ridiculous to blame them for think about their families before anything else.
On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote: We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own.
This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them.
Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping
Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason.
Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future
Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do.
Is your family worth that one life?
Honestly? The sad thing is, I cannot disagree with what you said. However horrible it may be that the child there should have gotten some form of assistance, instead of being left to die on the road.
I can't argue with the logic in your statement.
I would however make the argument that, the fact that you have to be afraid for your family for helping another in a dire situation needs to be given some serious consideration (outside of your control) as it has been stated before due to the case in 06 as has been stated.
It is tragic, it is horrible. Yet, then again that in general is what life is.
It comes down to concepts of altruism and the sanctity of life; even if your family ends up poor, broke or in jail - as human beings we expect that a human life be held above everything else. It also touches on biblical concepts of "do to one as you would want done to you" - i mean if you were dying in the middle of the road you would sure as shit want someone to help you.
I find it really hard to believe that you can't disagree with what Blasterion is saying. In my mind, FUCK YES my family's financial status is worth saving that kids life; FUCK YES i would sacrifice my assets, job and future to save someones life (or i'd expect myself to.)
its easy to say that on a internet forum and look cool, but in all reality u wouldnt fuck over urself nor ur family and childrens future.
its horrible and i had to think for a moment of the entire situation, and i have to understand why they wouldnt help that girl. if me and my family was to get screwed over purely because i helped someone then what was the point in helping them in the first place? just to get screwed by the person and family i helped? its a cruel and horrible reality, but thats how the world works.
correction, thats how HUMAN BEINGS work. humans can be disgustingly evil people.
On October 18 2011 11:20 Sfydjklm wrote: [quote] Again, you only say that cause you've lived a sheltered life, and quiet honestly since we're on this forum, bad at computer games. When someone is about to jump you in the street good luck weighting pros and cons.
What the fuck, this shit disgusts me. You just take a fucking seat on your high horse and look down at everyone who doesnt agree with you, calling them 'sheltered' or even 'scum' what the fuck is wrong with you? You have NO fucking idea what kind of life chinese people have to live. You dont understand that kind of fear being bred and festering in a corrupt environment for years. What the FUCK gives you the right to judge when you never have and probably never WILL be in that exact situation?
lol. I've lived in belarus for half my life. I understand that shit better then you.
I've lived my entire life here in bangladesh, a third world country where law is more for show than use. Trust me, i understand what its like being raised and told from a young age to fear something and avoid it. Maybe not the same things the chinese have learned to fear, but i understand the situation of accepting atrocities as something that WILL happen to you if you dont react a certain way and defend yourself from it. You seem too idealistic to have grown up in a place where 1 mistake could mean you or your family are fucked for life.
I think there is no other way to live, especially in a place like that. When you have nothing, you only have your humanity to live with.
Fucking hell don't walk away, let them try to prove that it's your boots have a tire pattern on them.
And its this kinda naive shit that makes me think that
How is it naive. If they give a fuck about the granny that got knocked over clearly their law system is way more advanced then the one in bangladesh or belarus. If that's not true, by all means, i did mention the option to walk away.
Thats the thing, its not that you have nothing, but that you could lose everything, not just for yourself but for your family. I think if noones relying on you to keep them alive and support them, and the only reason you arent helping someone is that you are watching out for your own hide, thats pretty scummy. Still logical, but scummy. But I dont think its scummy to value your families lives above those of strangers. Though you do bring up a good point about helping and just walking away, theres still the risk of getting caught in the process by the authorities, and being framed.
Everything? What was everything? People was everything. You had nothing. People talking about their families and shit. By making it about them you make them murders. Go home tell your wife or your mother you walked away from a dying girl because of her? I dunno about your scumbag families but mine would denounce me for making them part to this atrocity.
Cool your steam man, we obviously have different priorities, you have your duties to to that girl, I have duties to make sure my family has food on the table. Hey honestly if it came down to it, I'd do the shadiest things behind my family's back to make sure they're fed, clothed, and sheltered.
You just don't get it, in first world countries people look out for each other, within reason(people who fuck themselves over by doing stupid things are not my problem), in third world countries or lawless areas such as remote countrysides people only look out for their family. If this was the middle ages I would agree with you, but it isn't, the world evolved, you didn't.
not to mention that that area of China is far from a 'third world country'
Wow what that psychotherapist said is sad but true, most people would do like other people do and not go to help that poor person because it would "not look right" since most people are individualist fuckers. For myself, I would definitely go up and go help that person and say to the others: "What the fuck are you all looking at, why won't you help instead?". I'm not shy in public and that would be exactly what I would do if I ever saw something like this in front of me. Damn, that's depressing.
Edit: I understand what everyone is trying to say about ruining your own life since you could look guilty but I would do it anyway. There are simple ways to help like calling the police, stay with person and say to the other pedestrians to stay with you and help you, etc. I mean come on.
On October 18 2011 12:17 Elroi wrote: Fuck. I just don't understand this. What the fuck is wrong with this world? Greedy, cold, moronic people everywhere. People who just walk by, they are not human. As far as I'm concerned these people are not human beings.
Exactly my thoughts.
The problem is these people are human beings. Repeating what I said earlier human beings display tendencies to shy away from these crisis situations. It's called the bystander effect.
I'm sure we can think up many pretty names, blaming our actions on this effect or that syndrome. But it all comes down to who we are individually, so don't feed me this ''human beings display tendencies'' excuse.
I give up. You can't argue with a person who dismisses scientific evidence in favor of unfounded personal tenets.
but there were ways to help the child without touching her... call the ambulance and stop the second vehicle from running her over again. more common sense and less excuses people.
On October 18 2011 11:20 Sfydjklm wrote: [quote] Again, you only say that cause you've lived a sheltered life, and quiet honestly since we're on this forum, bad at computer games. When someone is about to jump you in the street good luck weighting pros and cons.
What the fuck, this shit disgusts me. You just take a fucking seat on your high horse and look down at everyone who doesnt agree with you, calling them 'sheltered' or even 'scum' what the fuck is wrong with you? You have NO fucking idea what kind of life chinese people have to live. You dont understand that kind of fear being bred and festering in a corrupt environment for years. What the FUCK gives you the right to judge when you never have and probably never WILL be in that exact situation?
lol. I've lived in belarus for half my life. I understand that shit better then you.
I've lived my entire life here in bangladesh, a third world country where law is more for show than use. Trust me, i understand what its like being raised and told from a young age to fear something and avoid it. Maybe not the same things the chinese have learned to fear, but i understand the situation of accepting atrocities as something that WILL happen to you if you dont react a certain way and defend yourself from it. You seem too idealistic to have grown up in a place where 1 mistake could mean you or your family are fucked for life.
I think there is no other way to live, especially in a place like that. When you have nothing, you only have your humanity to live with.
Fucking hell don't walk away, let them try to prove that it's your boots have a tire pattern on them.
And its this kinda naive shit that makes me think that
How is it naive. If they give a fuck about the granny that got knocked over clearly their law system is way more advanced then the one in bangladesh or belarus. If that's not true, by all means, i did mention the option to walk away.
Thats the thing, its not that you have nothing, but that you could lose everything, not just for yourself but for your family. I think if noones relying on you to keep them alive and support them, and the only reason you arent helping someone is that you are watching out for your own hide, thats pretty scummy. Still logical, but scummy. But I dont think its scummy to value your families lives above those of strangers. Though you do bring up a good point about helping and just walking away, theres still the risk of getting caught in the process by the authorities, and being framed.
Everything? What was everything? People was everything. You had nothing. People talking about their families and shit. By making it about them you make them murders. Go home tell your wife or your mother you walked away from a dying girl because of her? I dunno about your scumbag families but mine would denounce me for making them part to this atrocity.
Cool your steam man, we obviously have different priorities, you have your duties to to that girl, I have duties to make sure my family has food on the table. Hey honestly if it came down to it, I'd do the shadiest things behind my family's back to make sure they're fed, clothed, and sheltered.
You just don't get it, in first world countries people look out for each other, within reason(people who fuck themselves over by doing stupid things are not my problem), in third world countries or lawless areas such as remote countrysides people only look out for their family. If this was the middle ages I would agree with you, but it isn't, the world evolved, you didn't.
Sorry you're wrong. The world hasn't evolved at the same rate, and some places have "devolved". On top of that, the world has also evolved into several different branches of "modernity".
Have you not seen the tv shows where they show the bystander effect in 1st WORLD cities like NYC where a woman is robbed and no one does anything?
On October 18 2011 12:17 Elroi wrote: Fuck. I just don't understand this. What the fuck is wrong with this world? Greedy, cold, moronic people everywhere. People who just walk by, they are not human. As far as I'm concerned these people are not human beings.
Exactly my thoughts.
The problem is these people are human beings. Repeating what I said earlier human beings display tendencies to shy away from these crisis situations. It's called the bystander effect.
I'm sure we can think up many pretty names, blaming our actions on this effect or that syndrome. But it all comes down to who we are individually, so don't feed me this ''human beings display tendencies'' excuse.
I give up. You can't argue with a person who dismisses scientific evidence in favor of unfounded personal tenets.
I could go into a discussion about ethics in science, but I get the feeling that you are the kind of person that would dismiss the thought that these fields can cross paths.
On October 18 2011 12:29 justsayinbro wrote: but there were ways to help the child without touching her... call the ambulance and stop the second vehicle from running her over again. more common sense and less excuses people.
I guess they could've done that, Though I wonder how many of those people can afford calling the ambulance though, If I remember this is a pretty run down place, the shithole doesn't even have a side walk
Me and You are all pretty well off, We can pay for stuff like that easy without a second thought, but I am not very sure how well those people can manage
On October 18 2011 12:29 justsayinbro wrote: but there were ways to help the child without touching her... call the ambulance and stop the second vehicle from running her over again. more common sense and less excuses people.
China's medical system: they bring you with the child to the hospital, and if someone doesn't pay then they're not going to treat. You have no way of contacting the parents, can you afford the medical bill?
the problem is that people in a society dont unite and try to resolve these issues. if 500 million chinese all signed a petition saying to change this shitty law (or whatever) then it would get changed, and so would hundreds of other laws and issues that we have
but people dont take action. dont you think THAT is a huge crime? that this incident with the girl happened and still STILL people are sticking their heads in the sand and saying "ohh what a terrible thing , what are we to do with the world!!"
what the FUCK do you think you SHOULD do, people? comment on a newsite??
more little girls are going to get run over and left to die , for years and decades to come, because the People dont unite and take action through solidarity
EPT
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