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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.
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1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.
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Friendly reminder that women (and men!) still continue to have value if they're not arbitrarily deemed funny.
You know, the only person I can think of that I've ever met (I'm 26 and I've worked primarily in the service industry in one form or another for the last 5 years, so I've interacted with hundreds if not thousands of people) who I didn't think had the ability to crack a joke was this super aspie dude who came into my work about a month ago. The guy spoke in monotone, wouldn't look me (or anyone) in the eye, wouldn't smile or respond when the office staff said hello (we're all super goddamn charming!), nothin'.
Bearing that in mind, it seems pretty meaningless when you guys say "Oh, I wouldn't be friends with someone who wasn't funny." How many people do you know who have never cracked a joke or had a well-timed comment?
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On March 14 2014 04:15 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:Show nested quote +
perhaps the problem isn't "women" and the problem is "sexists like you who reinforce the patriarchial society we live in."
All corporations care about is making money. If they could get away with hiring only women employees and paying them 70% of a mans salary for doing the exact same job they would. Why don't they do that if women are good workers?
I'll take "because it's illegal" for 1000 please, Alex.
Survey Says:
Yahtzee.
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On March 14 2014 03:59 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:03 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:On March 13 2014 23:52 Niflheim wrote:
That post has to be a troll. I can't imagine a person legitimately taking that stance, but I will respond anyway.
A person being "funny" is highly subjective. Just because there are more men comedians than women means nothing with regards to generic humor. I've known many people that I consider way funnier than professional stand up comedians simply because I do not enjoy the comedian's type of humor. A woman is quite capable of being funny. Are you claiming that a woman has never made you laugh? Do you think that a person has to be a comedian to be considered funny?
No one is saying that women and men are equal as a whole, but there are certain things in life that gender does not affect. Also, where are you getting this information on women not being as good workers? I'm calling bs on that one as well. There are many women in my work place that work way harder than the men. Some of them work hard because they simply enjoy it. Others work hard to overcome that silly gender-biased stereotype. A vagina and boobs does not hinder ones ability to do most of today's professions. I guess this where I get to point out that gf makes more money than and has a successful career as a civil engineer. Does that make it true that women on average are good workers? No it doesn't. I dated a dozen girls before her that were dumber than a box of rocks and couldn't hold a job to save their lives. 45 out of the top 50 companies on the Dow Jones have male CEO's. I don't see many women planning to build the next Golden Gate Bridge or Empire State Building any time soon either. perhaps the problem isn't "women" and the problem is "sexists like you who reinforce the patriarchial society we live in."
Oh, goodness, no! The problem couldn't possibly lie with him. There's no way his worldview is horrendously warped. How could you suggest such a thing?
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On March 14 2014 04:15 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:Show nested quote +
perhaps the problem isn't "women" and the problem is "sexists like you who reinforce the patriarchial society we live in."
All corporations care about is making money. If they could get away with hiring only women employees and paying them 70% of a mans salary for doing the exact same job they would. Why don't they do that if women are good workers?
also, perhaps the corporate owners are just as sexist as you?
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On March 14 2014 04:26 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 04:15 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
perhaps the problem isn't "women" and the problem is "sexists like you who reinforce the patriarchial society we live in."
All corporations care about is making money. If they could get away with hiring only women employees and paying them 70% of a mans salary for doing the exact same job they would. Why don't they do that if women are good workers? also, perhaps the corporate owners are just as sexist as you?
Corporate Owners care about profit over everything else. They wouldn't be paying men 30% more just because they are sexist. That mentality would run companies out of business. You can only blame outside sources so long for your inability to succeed. Time to take a good long look in the mirror.
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On March 14 2014 03:43 Calanthe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:15 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:How about we all stop going around in circles and end this retarded Mexican standoff by agreeing to disagree?  I'll agree that you're way sexist. Anyone else?
mods agree! :D
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On March 14 2014 02:42 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 19:47 SixStrings wrote:On March 13 2014 19:41 arb wrote:
what do you guys think about escorts? risky? Never ever. Not on moral grounds, but on grounds of hygiene. If I can't eat her out nor bare-bone her, let alone kiss her or get a BJ, I might as well jack off. I don't think you had to worry about us mistaking it for that.
Stop bullying me already. 
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Last comment on this wage gap topic:
There is always this misconception, where some sexist boss would pay a female worker only 70 % for the same work a male worker would do. This is wrong and also illegal (in most western countries).
The gap exist between all working women and men as a whole!
So, since there are more men working full time and in professions that in general pay more, the overall wage of all men is higher than the overall wage of women, who work part time or in fields that pay less in general.
But a female CEO or engineer will likely get paid the same wage as her male counterpart.
While a male kindergardner who works part time will also be paid the same amount like his female counterpart.
Now, discussing whether the career choices depends on our current culture and if there is some sort of underlying disadvantage of women not being promoted to highest positions, is a whole other discussion.
But please, please stop with this false claims that all bosses are douches and just pay women less out of principle.
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On March 14 2014 05:06 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 02:42 NewSunshine wrote:On March 13 2014 19:47 SixStrings wrote:On March 13 2014 19:41 arb wrote:
what do you guys think about escorts? risky? Never ever. Not on moral grounds, but on grounds of hygiene. If I can't eat her out nor bare-bone her, let alone kiss her or get a BJ, I might as well jack off. I don't think you had to worry about us mistaking it for that. Stop bullying me already.
please don't pretend that you're a victim
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This is getting really offtopic and is a subject that has been talked about one hundred times on TL in other topics.
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On March 14 2014 05:06 Restrider wrote:
Last comment on this wage gap topic:
There is always this misconception, where some sexist boss would pay a female worker only 70 % for the same work a male worker would do. This is wrong and also illegal (in most western countries).
The gap exist between all working women and men as a whole!
So, since there are more men working full time and in professions that in general pay more, the overall wage of all men is higher than the overall wage of women, who work part time or in fields that pay less in general.
But a female CEO or engineer will likely get paid the same wage as her male counterpart.
While a male kindergardner who works part time will also be paid the same amount like his female counterpart.
Now, discussing whether the career choices depends on our current culture and if there is some sort of underlying disadvantage of women not being promoted to highest positions, is a whole other discussion.
But please, please stop with this false claims that all bosses are douches and just pay women less out of principle.
Is that how it's worked out though? That seems pretty flawed, I recall reading that there are clear examples of women in equivalent positions getting paid less than their male counterparts.
My interest in such things has dwindled somewhat as I couldn't be fucked with the anger and the sensationalism that these kind of topics prompt, especially online but the pay gap one is one I'm definitely curious about.
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It's not easy to make an accurate study. To compare 2 individuals you'd have to take 2 individuals with the same background first. Same job, same amount of hours (overtime is sometimes not considered) and same time spent in the company/industry. Statically the challenge is to put these people on a comparable scale (in order to draw a conclusion as a whole) that would take into account external factors like the average pay for the job or the amount of hours..
Admittedly, it's not something that I actively search as I don't really believe in it. Maybe there are serious recent studies, I'd happily see them if someone is kind enough to point them out. But if you do make sure you point to the actual study where the statistical methodology is available for reading, not a 2 paragraphs news of someone that only read the conclusion part.
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On March 14 2014 09:27 rezoacken wrote:
It's not easy to make an accurate study. To compare 2 individuals you'd have to take 2 individuals with the same background first. Same job, same amount of hours (overtime is sometimes not considered) and same time spent in the company/industry. Statically the challenge is to put these people on a comparable scale (in order to draw a conclusion as a whole) that would take into account external factors like the average pay for the job or the amount of hours..
Admittedly, it's not something that I actively search as I don't really believe in it. Maybe there are serious recent studies, I'd happily see them if someone is kind enough to point them out. But if you do make sure you point to the actual study where the statistical methodology is available for reading, not a 2 paragraphs news of someone that only read the conclusion part.
Yeah this. And in the context of this thread, who cares about the cultural status and generalisations. Variance between individuals is huge, and everyone has different tastes. In dating its hard and foolish to generalize. Just accept the individual in front of you.
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On March 14 2014 18:19 Slayers_Red.Cracker wrote:
Just accept the individual in front of you.
We're done here, folks. Thanks for your time.
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How is it that a thread to discuss bringing lonely men and women together turns into a search for what sets men and women apart?
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My girlfriend of 6 months is planning on moving to a new apartment and recently I've been tempted to move as well cause my landlord sucks. I sense her hinting that she wants to live with me but she hasn't asked me out right. On one hand I don't want to jeopardize our so far awesome relationship but on the other I think we could making living together work. I'm 22 years old currently in university if that adds any context. What do you guys think?
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Found out from one of my friends that a girl in the year below mine(she's in second year of uni) thinks I'm cute, which is cool because I thought she was fine. Also, FINALLY did the tiniest thing about the girl I mentioned a time or 2 ago and messaged her to ask about her cover picture(a picture from Spirited Away). It's funny how I can be so comfortable around girls that I am not attracted to, but even small things make me at least a bit nervous if they involve a girl I'm attracted to.
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No clue what has changed, but suddenly getting more attention from some girls :S
In particular met one on a night out, kept catching each others eyes on the dance floor and her friend finally pushed her towards me. Ended up with her the entire night out, keeping each other company, not much talking but she wouldn't let go haha. She asked me for my number and even wanted to see me this upcoming monday.
Been texting little things past few days and talking a little on phone, but suddenly now wont get to see her to the end of the week cause shes going out of town
Dont know how I got so lucky, cause I think shes way out of my league, and don't know what she sees in me. Looking forward to seeing her again, usually would be nervous in such a situation but atm really calm.. guess that will change the day I get the chance to see her again and dont even know what we will do!
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No such thing as leagues bro. Get that kind of crap out of your head asap!
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