I don't really think metal as a genre is suffering. I think Metallica are the 7th best selling band from the US ever or something like that. You would have more to complain about if you were a country or classic soul fan.
Well, Taylor Swift is selling a lot, I don't think country fans should complain.
See what I did there? Bad metal is still popular. It's either dull riffs, terrible death metal growling and lyrics about maggots and organs or terribly slow melodic rhythm and a 12 year old squeaking about pain and depression.
Darn, where's the old 80's Metal that made you feel like a freaking beast? Bands like Maiden and Judas had amazing riffs, ridiculously good singing and solos that made you want to play air guitar on the bus, god damn it. I miss that music.
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music?
You should really educate yourself on what you are talking about if you want to make posts like these. The argument that rap doesn't require any skill to make is really tiresome, and always made by people who don't really know what they are talking about and cite bad rappers as examples (Pop music isn't bad because Katy Perry is bad, either). Rap, like all major genres of music, has musical genius'. Try listening with an open mind to artists like Nas, Wu-Tang Clan and Pharoahe Monch (his flow is extremely skilful).
I also think that too much emphasis on technical skill takes away from other aspects of listening to music (DragonForce, for instance, make horrible music). Sometimes less is more.
Anyway, I don't really think metal as a genre is suffering. I think Metallica are the 7th best selling band from the US ever or something like that. You would have more to complain about if you were a country or classic soul fan.
i agree with you. sometimes too much . like the second video in jello_biafras post. yes it sounds sick, his flow is sick too. but alot (alot not all) of what he says is bullshit. and thats very typical with alot of very lyrical songs. some are very pretentious and they just put together deep sounding shit for the purpose of sounding lyrical and non mainstream. oh this is what you think about society? your not happy with it? okay the study, be somebody and make a difference or do something worthwhile. but what do they decide to do? become rarely-listened to rappers to spread their message. its bs alot of the time, although that statement doesnt apply to every single one. I can listen to a song like that and appreciate it, but i cant listen to that in my car while i drive trying to just enjoy the music. obviously some of those types of songs are exceptions.
the song i posted was meant to present something good to jam to, not to look to for lyrical inspiration. like kanye for example, alot of the shit he says is stupid, and his views are stupid, but the way he says it is sick. so i can jam to it. listening to lyrical music is good for a bit, but its hard to enjoy when you dont agree with alot of the shit being said and its like "fuck ok i get it alrdy u suffered stop trying to indoctrinate me with ur black panther bullshit sentiment" anyways/endrant
Now rap is a hard subject for me. I absolutely HATE guns pussy money rap. I think it's probably the lowest form of music on earth. Not all rap though is bad. Rap is just putting poetry in motion with sound behind and it can be rather insightful.
My favorite rap group is the Sand People
Seriously look into these fuckers, good lord they are amazing. So intelligent with their lyrics. O.o Since when does that happen?
N3rV[Green] im sorry but those first videos u posted....wow. that is total fucking shit. you can listen and enjoy that? i admire you. anyways your last video isnt too bad. lyrics are alright and theyre flow is nice. you might like this next song.
Some other type of hip hop i like, are songs that tell stories, they're lyrical but ALSO enjoyable to listen to. for example Plan B- She said this dude can rap and sing and he's british or something so his flow sounds ridiculous (good)
the video alone is fucking sick. his rapping starts around two minutes, but listen to the whole thing. its a good song ;]
Problem is, most people can't hear past the impression and feel of the music (think of it as seeing only the silhouette of a statue... which is unfortunate because it's not that hard to see past it). People like different feelings and impressions, and in a way similar to how people lean toward specific genres of TV, movies, books, etc., people lean toward a genre that pleases them the most. Hip-hop and rap apparently fill that niche very well amongst the general populace, hence the popularity; metal pleases a smaller audience. Dear OP, here is your answer.
If you can see past the silhouette, though (which you can do with a little ear training), and start to appreciate the colors of every note in the music, you get to appreciate pretty much every genre. What's more though, is that you can finally hear the beauty in harmonic music, such as this:
RYM has no less than 39 albums in it's top 100 user rated albums for the year of 2010 with the word Metal being used in the genre description (be it Avant-Garde Metal, Progressive Metal, Sludge Metal, etc.). I've seen no decline in the amount of artists releasing metal music, the labels those artists are on, nor the amount of mainstream success they achieve (essentially none). This really hasn't changed since Metal's recovery in the late 90s or early 00s. It's an extremely alienating sound; you either like it or you don't. I feel like if a metal band throws me a bone, something for a non-metal fan i can really get into it (something like Mastodon or Agalloch) but if they just want to growl into the mic and pound on a double kick bass drum then there's really no reason for me to give them a chance. If you want to whitewash hip hop then it's fair if people whitewash metal. On an unrelated note, metal's subgenres are vast and ridiculous.
btw, princeton defines music as: an artistic form of auditory communication incorporating instrumental or vocal tones in a structured and continuous manner
In that sense, N3rV[Green], the "songs" you posted barely qualify as music. No, seriously. I forced myself to listen through the first half of the "song" and there was a maximum of 2 pitches being played/puked at any given time. The rest was basically white noise. Elementary school orchestras make better music. Sheesh.
On December 10 2010 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't and nobody does around me.
Classical musicians most of the time consider rap as basically non-music with, on top of that, a very suspect ideological background (individualist egoistic agressive mysogynist subculture is not sexy and absolutely not subversive imo)
what the.. I'm a music major (focus in cello) and I think good rap is awesome O__o along with a number of my friends..
Musician for 9 years while in school and you don't understand what music is if you think rap isn't music.
Ok rather than just put lots of youtube videos, I'll just give a list. Yes yes, the metal I put up before is a little on the extreme side, not for all. Hopefully at least SOMETHING on this list of amazing metal could get ya going.
Arsonists get all the girls Whitechapel All Shall Perish Genghis Tron Iwrestledabearonce (chick vocalist, good lord she is amazing and hot) Through the Eyes of the Dead Waking the Cadaver Sky Eats Airplane (a little technoish with some metalish, just good stuff really) I declare war The Irish Front Drop Dead Gorgeous Born of Osiris The Acacia Strain From the Shallows Dr. Acula Heaven Shall Burn Deathklok suicide silence veil of maya Oceano
There, that's a little wider of a sample for you guys. I forget sometimes that some of my music shouldn't go out in public O.o
Man metal makes no sense to me. It's literally everyone playing every note as fast as they cane on their instrument. Every song sounds the same. Modern metal is pretty emotionless. FYI screaming every lyric does not equal emotion. In my mind, most of these guys are losers who took 12 years of music lessons, but since they can't write songs they just write stupid shit about disembowelment and decapitation that any fourth grader could drool out and scream it as loud and fast as possible. Not my pride of lions.
I like old tunes from the 60's and 70's. While the players in some cases aren't as mechanically excellent, the songs are always filled with emotion.
On December 10 2010 16:16 Meth wrote: 90's Hip Hop please, that is all.
Mainstream music just sucks, and I don't know why the masses fucking enjoy it, I think they just more listen to the beat and when that one, dare I say it, "good" hook goes they love it.
Hip Hop should be how it WAS, but it will never stop evolving and I hope it evolves into something better than what it is, or if the underground just floods the streets with their GOSU SONGS. SPEAK SOME TRUTH.
FUCK IT IM BUYING SOME CDS AND SENDING EVERYONE A GOD DAMN HOLIDAY HIP HOP RECORD
There is a LOT of good hip-hop being made right now. There are up and comers that are getting signed that rap real shit, not just clothes, hos, and bankrolls.
That said, to the OP, I like rap because of the story-telling in it. It opens your eyes to a world most people have never been a part of, and will never know at a personal level. Some rappers are very relatable to, like Em. If you listen to his older stuff, some of his stuff hits really close to the heart for a lot of people.
Death metal? It's ridiculous, and most of it starts to sound the same after a while. I love CoB, In Flames, lots of groups like that, but I can only take so much of their music after a while. Older thrash metal is getting worn out. I've listened to Megadeth, Metallica, etc, for so long now that I'm just bored with it. Most of them don't put out good albums anymore. Metallica hit one out of the park with Death Magnetic, imo, but Megadeth hasn't put out a good album since 2004's The System has Failed. Groups like Kreator get old fast with the lack of variance in vocals, and really structure of their music in general. Other groups lost important members and kind of suck now because of it.
Aside from all of that, it's not like people pick one style of music. I love hip-hop, probably moreso than any other type of music (and I mean real hip-hop, not this hip-pop shit), but I have a lot of love for metal, and other types as well. I think you're probably a boring person if all you listen to is metal variances.
had to come back to this thread, cuz god damn i love the classics, both metal and hiphop, while the new shit of both genres are some of the most terrible excuses for music i've ever heard.
i won't plague your ears with the worst of the genres, but here's some of the best
On December 10 2010 23:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: Hiphop music is more enjoyable. Metal is childish and phase music, at best.
Rock music as a whole has died over the past 5 years. There's nothing new or innovative anymore.
Hiphop is really the music of this generation, and though you say hip-hop embodies things like vanity and greed, that's pretty ignorant. Good hip-hop music has meaning, so I don't know where a lot of the opinions in this thread are coming from.
What do you mean over the last 5 years? What incredible band stopped making great music in 2005? I'm really confused by this statement. Also: Arcade Fire.
On December 11 2010 01:09 N3rV[Green] wrote: Ok rather than just put lots of youtube videos, I'll just give a list. Yes yes, the metal I put up before is a little on the extreme side, not for all. Hopefully at least SOMETHING on this list of amazing metal could get ya going.
Arsonists get all the girls Whitechapel All Shall Perish Genghis Tron Iwrestledabearonce (chick vocalist, good lord she is amazing and hot) Through the Eyes of the Dead Waking the Cadaver Sky Eats Airplane (a little technoish with some metalish, just good stuff really) I declare war The Irish Front Drop Dead Gorgeous Born of Osiris The Acacia Strain From the Shallows Dr. Acula Heaven Shall Burn Deathklok suicide silence veil of maya Oceano
There, that's a little wider of a sample for you guys. I forget sometimes that some of my music shouldn't go out in public O.o
I like how 95% of what you posted is hardcore/deathcore and not really metal, lol
I mean Ghengis Tron and many others on there are really good but cmon man
Simply put, people don't like being different. It all comes down to whats mainstream. Take the OP for example, when he named 'metal' bands, he only named the mainstream ones. Nobody takes the time to sift through music and find the real good stuff. I guess what I'm trying to say is, that people will listen to whats easiest, which is why god awful radio music is so popular.
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