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Why does everyone love hip hop/rap now? - Page 8
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OPSavioR
Sweden1465 Posts
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
Metal is just an emo growling like an animal. Rap is just some wannabe gangsta "singing" about his "hoes". You can say stuff like this about every kind of music, that doesnt make it bad. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17866 Posts
On December 10 2010 22:05 Joementum wrote: These niggas be arguing 'bout some stupid shit. Why does every thread on TL turn into some debate or argument? It's like everyone is trying to be a smartass and out smartass each other. Don't you try and go smart on me here.  | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On December 10 2010 21:16 Liveon wrote: Why do people see 'metal' as death metal or black metal? That's nonsense. I love metal, but I only listen symphonic, folk and power metal. Folk metal will be grunted in, but I think it blends good with the music (bands like eluveitie). I hate black and death metal, it's so boring. Half or more of the folk metal bands that were popular last decade(seems to be waning now) played by-the-books gothenburg death metal - as far as you could call that stuff death metal, anyway - PLUS a fiddle or PLUS an accordion. I know there were other styles; Skyclad, Primordial, Tyr, and a few others didn't just play mid-90s Gothenburg style death metal with accordion breaks. They were exceptions, and in any case anyone who likes Primordial could easily get into Greek black metal and Bathory with a little exposure. I should add though that you're right, black and death metal isn't all that's going on in metal today. It isn't even all that trve metal warriors are hyped up about. Good old school sounding traditional doom is liked by some subset of that population, and practically everyone loved the first White Wizzard EP(not so much the followups) and all of the associated new wave of heavy metal bands, such as Zuul, Enforcer, and Christian Mistress. Great bands for anyone who loves old school heavy metal a la Iron Maiden or Judas Priest. | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
Mainstream music is easy to listen to and I totally understand that and respect that for many people the joy and fun in a party comes from the people, the atmophere and the social interactions. Alcohol and especially the music are just means of enhancing the experience. Metal and other "extreme" music can be quite dominating in that way. That been said I would never, ever go to a concert with mainstream music cause weird enough, the music is the center of a concert. Listening to R´n´B in the radio, a club or a concert is same/same to me (whats up with all those dancers? The music is too weak to stand alone?) Music thats not mainstream is infinitly better on a live stage than mainstream because of its dominance, its focus and its way of charming the crowd. Metal, however is not dying. In northern Europe its in fact having a renaissance with more and more metal festivals coming each year. The clip below is from a Lamb of God concert in early spring 2010. I think I am 1 of the "naked" guys at around 1:10 in the clip. That was an amazing concert. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On December 10 2010 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't and nobody does around me. Classical musicians most of the time consider rap as basically non-music with, on top of that, a very suspect ideological background (individualist egoistic agressive mysogynist subculture is not sexy and absolutely not subversive imo) what the.. I'm a music major (focus in cello) and I think good rap is awesome O__o along with a number of my friends.. | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
In my eyes rap and hip hop in general are just some dumb people talking about how tough they are while they have some repetative weak "beat" in the background My favorite genre of music though have been Metal for years now and i'm never gonna change it  | ||
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ZhenMiChan
Netherlands1181 Posts
Most of the modern stuff is so boring and all the sameT_T I prefer some real music. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On December 10 2010 22:18 ArvickHero wrote: what the.. I'm a music major (focus in cello) and I think good rap is awesome O__o along with a number of my friends.. Agreed, and it'd be quite a hypocritical thing to do for a community which has no problem worshipping acts far less traditionally "musical" than hip-hop. Like, seriously? Hip-hop is less musical than a Xenakis percussion piece? | ||
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Raskit
579 Posts
On December 10 2010 22:19 KinosJourney2 wrote: In my eyes rap and hip hop in general are just some dumb people talking about how tough they are while they have some repetative weak "beat" in the background In my eyes metal in general is just some dumb people who are fat, sweaty, long haired, depressed, devil worshipping, loser noise bags who scream and play their instruments way too aggressively and they wear those silly masks on stage. Oh hold a second! I actually listen to genre, like I do hip-hop, so don't hold such a stupidly ignorant opinion. See how silly you sound? | ||
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Lokgar
United States147 Posts
80's - early 2000's rap was the best. Currently the only rap played on the radio is good when drunk as hell, and even then it can make me cringe. If you guys want good rap, listen to 2pac, biggie, wutang, NWA, Kool G Rap, half a mill, AZ, NaS, and Public Enemy. Also any of the older albums from the wu tang members and ice cube (up to about Raw Footage). But yeah, also a huge fan of the eastern european death metal scene. Decapitated is the SHIT! | ||
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-KarmA
United States353 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: I too find many of the popular (50 cent, Jay-Z, can't remember too many names because shitty rappers don't really deserve a place in my memory) rappers to be very, well, shitty composers I agree with this. If i turn to our local rap channel all i get is the same beat, with the same sounding black guy, singing about the same pimp this, get money, im so rich, dont care if you hate me, crap. Lately its all been the same crap. And it seems like anyone who can think up a few rhymes about getting money gets a label all of a sudden =/ wheres the heart at? | ||
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ProtossGirl
England123 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:13 nimrodel wrote: because rap embodies the values of ego, greed, and vanity - exactly what everything has been reduced to in our times the content of the expression has become secondary to the success Bingo. | ||
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couches
618 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Bold part is jus trollin.Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? Technical playing abilities (say somebody who plays like Dimebag, <3 btw) is a different kind of skill than producing. Both are indicators of good musicianship when done well. Something tells me you don't know anything about making music. Otherwise you probably wouldn't have such an ignorant opinion about this. Most people like pop rap (stuff on the charts basically) because it's instant gratification, hilarious and fun. I think it's hilarious because all the gangster materialism attitude that is promoted is just try hard. The average person listening to a rap station or generic rock station may not have time or know how to explore obscure labels and musicians. It's simple enough to appeal to the most number of people in order to bring in the biggest bucks for the large record label. There's no reason to hate on it, that's just being a douche. Music is music you either like something or you don't. No reason to take it further then that. Metal is always about outsiders. It will never be mainstream and this is a god damn good thing. Why would you want it to be popular? Do you want all your super hard core super serious metalhead dudes to end up soft like loltalica? | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6642 Posts
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ZergOwaR
Norway280 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'd bet real money you can't name a single actual emo band and that you don't even know what the word means. I don't mean to be confrontational but I hear a LOT of emo critics and not a single one of them to this day has been able to correctly name an emo band or tell me what emo music is. well first of.. emo trend.. not emo as a musical genre emo started as a offspring from punk.. more emotional and vocal if i'm not too off target.. doesn't matter.. put hey.. free cash did some light reading during the weird shit in mexico was it? where "emo" people was beaten up by "punk" and "goth" people for stealing/perverting the style.. so rite of springs was one of the pioneers of the genre yes? it was just that "angsty" music thing that immediatly gets me to think of that "deeply depressed, cutting oneself, everyone hates me", sad sad part of the emo style.. i know its steriotypical but some are like that.. and more often than not the mind will work with steriotypical booths when describing something. though i guess the main part of the "emo" style is simply a against conformity/ yay anarchy way of punk with a bit darker twist?  sadly this style kinda have more descriptions than there are translations of "gods word" so take your pick! :Datleast from my point of view metal aren't angsty.. ofc some here and there, but most genres have some angst in them.. just not defined by them yes? | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:52 .Aar wrote: I'd say the biggest thing for me regarding why I don't like metal is the image the word conjures for me: A slightly overweight American kid with no personality and an unfounded political belief structure of "anarchy mannnnnn." Someone who defines himself with the angsty music he listens to simply because he's not deep enough to find any other meaning in life. I'm not saying everyone who listens to metal is like this. I'm saying everyone I've met who listens to metal is. Also, why are you bashing on "computer generated noises"? Electronic music takes just as much artistic ability as any other kind, in some areas perhaps even more so. It's pure creativity and technical skill. This is quite interesting. Are you saying you can't listen to metal because only lesser people do, and you want to distance yourself from this group? Also, these people that you've met. I'm going to assume you learned they listened to metal by the way they looked rather than speaking to them. I highly doubt you go up to every person you meet and ask if they listen to metal or not. I sure as hell listen to metal but you could never tell unless I told you. That said I enjoy my Eminem, some Rhianna and similar artists, as well as most other genres. On December 10 2010 22:14 Deadlyfish wrote: Metal is just an emo growling like an animal. Rap is just some wannabe gangsta "singing" about his "hoes". You can say stuff like this about every kind of music, that doesnt make it bad. Sure, but to me metal has never been about growling. Never will be. God that shit is weak. Anyway, same goes for rap. The rap I enjoy is the rap that isn't about wannabe gangstas telling me all about their hoes. So when you say what you said you define what I (And I assume most people) find bad about the genres. That doesn't mean everyone dislikes growling, or ganstarap, but that those who don't "like metal" probably have a warped image of what it is and don't realize what it can be judging the entire genre without giving it a second look. Same for rap. | ||
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sith
United States2474 Posts
There are people that like the shit mainstream rap, sure, it's simple and easy to dance to in a club setting. But the actual genre has so much more to offer than what is on the radio. I couldn't even tell you if anything good is on the radio, I don't believe I've listened to in the last few years. I'm not trying to sound snobby, but I hate a lot of the mainstream shit probably just as much as you (not to say there aren't a few artists in the mainstream that are decent...word up kanye). Hip hop was first and foremost a movement that had shit to do with how many rims you had on your car or how much your necklace was worth. It was a way of speaking to make sure you were heard, a form of poetry. The beats were simple, now they're better produced, but the idea remains. That hip hop isn't dead, just in hiding. And you can find it if you're willing to dig just a little under the surface of the sludge that is "Tha Carter IV" or whatever the fuck Wayne is releasing next. | ||
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insta
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
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