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CurLy[]
Profile Joined August 2010
United States759 Posts
December 10 2010 12:18 GMT
#121
Ya'll niggas is trippin.
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Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
December 10 2010 12:18 GMT
#122
i love metal but i don't really like black/death
the only thing close to rap/hip hop that doesnt make me want to kill myself because its horrible would be cypress hill

i'm more of a punk/ska guy though
RadiantX
Profile Joined November 2010
2 Posts
December 10 2010 12:24 GMT
#123
It's already been said before, but would like to add that those "computer-generated noises" also have to come from somewhere, and a lot of the times a lot of ingenuity is involved in making certain sounds/beats in that progress, and same goes for the lyrics, you have to be pretty poetical to make a good sensible rhyme that's worth listening to.

I agree that some rap is awful in terms of creativity and quality, but you can't just lead off of a few and then form your opinion. Both types of artists could be respected in each way, it all comes down to preference.
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
December 10 2010 12:25 GMT
#124
Some of us still like metal and I also think metal is still prett big in middle/eastern/northern europe.

Btw Boesthius with an almost nargaroth like cover.
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ganil
Profile Joined August 2009
253 Posts
December 10 2010 12:26 GMT
#125
I don't like rap / hip hop =/.

I prefer listening to iron maiden, paul gilbert, buckethead, dream theater,... you know... that kind of stuff, but i don't know a lt of ppl who have the same taste lol.
tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
December 10 2010 12:28 GMT
#126
i listen to a lot of stuff, almost no rap but some hip hop is good.

prefer techno though.

and theres a couple of metal songs that i really love.
just here
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
December 10 2010 12:29 GMT
#127
it's been said but it deserves reiterating: music is art, having technical skill does not not not mean making better art.
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Panoptic
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom515 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-10 12:32:27
December 10 2010 12:29 GMT
#128
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote:
Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music?


This is completely subjective, and not always necessarily true. Have you tried playing guitar? it's a piece of piss....and like the guy above rightly says, it means nothing when actually appreciating the music for it's own sake.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
December 10 2010 12:35 GMT
#129
I don't and nobody does around me.

Classical musicians most of the time consider rap as basically non-music with, on top of that, a very suspect ideological background (individualist egoistic agressive mysogynist subculture is not sexy and absolutely not subversive imo)
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Panoptic
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom515 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-10 12:42:35
December 10 2010 12:41 GMT
#130
On December 10 2010 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I don't and nobody does around me.

Classical musicians most of the time consider rap as basically non-music with, on top of that, a very suspect ideological background (individualist egoistic agressive mysogynist subculture is not sexy and absolutely not subversive imo)


Couldn't you say that all kinds of musical subcultures are ideologically suspect? I wouldn't find it far fetched to say that pretty much all bands/musicians can be labelled as somewhat individualistic or egotistical. Pop music with girls running around naked is ideologically suspect. Metal culture is just as, if not more aggressive than hip-hop. Even classical music culture could be labelled negatively as elitist and backwards if you want.
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BrainAKAdamage
Profile Joined October 2010
England54 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-10 12:46:53
December 10 2010 12:44 GMT
#131
imo Hip Hop used to be good, until 2000 then everything just became too comercial. These days no one creates new styles, they just copy what has been forgotten and label it as their own. Late 80's early 90's was an epic period for Hip Hop, 2Pac, Biggie, Cypress Hill, NWA, Eminem (early stuff, hes shit now), Snoop Dogg, Fugees and many many more.

But to answer the OP question, imo the people who love Hip Hop/Rap now are the Braindead generation who got absorbed by the comercial radio play and this whole "I am cool if i listen to Hip Hop/Rap" trend. The best stuff is underground for any type of music, as soon as they make it big they have to adapt to what the media expects of them or they wont sell any records, get radio/TV play.

Its all about money now, not the music.

Besides there are lots of places where Hip Hop/Rap is nearly dead and only a very few select people still listen to it. Its just a trend that comes and goes the same as all other music types, for e.g. a few years back Rock and Metal was very popular, not so much these days anymore.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10801 Posts
December 10 2010 12:47 GMT
#132
On December 10 2010 17:22 Moonling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2010 17:13 guN-viCe wrote:
interesting study here...

"On balance, however, Walker & Kreiner (2006) found in their study of male and female college students that participants who expressed a preference for intense rebellious music (defined as alternative, rock, and heavy metal) tended to have higher scores on an intelligence test, especially those processes involving abstraction."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCR/is_1_42/ai_n25124428/pg_2/?tag=content;col1


Intersting study here.....

Heavy Metal Music
"Most research on music use has examined heavy metal music and the people who choose to listen to it. Studies have found that children who listen to heavy metal music are more likely to participate in a number of risky behaviors including drug use, drunk driving, and casual sex. Heavy metal listeners also report more conflicts with authority figures, such as teachers, and are more prone to depressive feelings and suicidal thoughts."

http://www.teenhealthfx.com/answers/Emotional/45520.html

- I'm not saying Metal is bad, just saying the way you tried to prove a point wasn't the best


Sounds like a perfect advertisement for Rock/Punk/Metal to me .

risky behaviors including drug use, drunk driving, and casual sex while having problems with some authorities to me translates to: "having fun, some more fun, even more fun".


Btw:
This is good stuff, just to have posted it:

OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
December 10 2010 12:48 GMT
#133
Its easier to get chicks if you dont listen to metal... QFT
i dunno lol
Azalie
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand117 Posts
December 10 2010 12:49 GMT
#134
On December 10 2010 16:01 PUPATREE wrote:
The dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum.

Master Killah (Wu-Tang clan - Triumph)
I think is what he was getting at peoples.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
December 10 2010 12:51 GMT
#135
Rap is pretty mindnumbing for the most part. I really can't understand people that enjoy listening to some "gangsta" with 5 pounds of gold hanging from his neck and another 2 lbs inserted in his mouth explaining that he's the king of the world, banging hoes day and night, snorting/smoking/swallowing a variety of drugs inbetween while praising his weapon collection that he needs to protect himself from other "gangstas" and the "fucking police". Of course all of that has to be conveyed with an absurd amount of swearing in a slang that is barely related to any real language...
Death metal and other styles including extreme screaming make my ears bleed, but when I hear rap I feel my braincells dying.
Hip hop and in rare cases rap can be enjoyable but I prefer metal normally.
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
December 10 2010 12:51 GMT
#136
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote:
Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music?


dude.....so many metal bands just scream loud not-understandable words in the microphone 50 times in a song. Thats more skilled than writing a deep text with a message behind it?
(imho there is a difference between this "im a gangster and i take drugs and f*** woman" rap and the more thoughtful rap, which i meant)
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17420 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-10 13:10:43
December 10 2010 12:59 GMT
#137
That's because not many people even know about good metal (nor good rap for the matter).
Take Ayreon for example, he's probably the last guy in modern music to do operettas, all songs on his album create a story, with each vocalist playing/singing different role, and then, all of his albums create a story of which single albums were just smaller parts. Worthy of note is that instead of just song titles, they're divided into prologue and acts.
The story so far is pretty mindblowing but I won't spoil you, listen to it yourselves. Here the story begins:



Find out more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Experiment

Now back to rap.
It has completely lost it's identity over the years. First of all, there is no music genre called "hip-hop", hip-hop is a way of life, usually associated with street and its activities. Hip-hop includes breakdancing, grafitti, rap, scratching, skating and so on.
Also, with the rise of music industry and stars earning a lot of money, the focus changed to it and what it relates to (today's "gangstas" are usually rich, singing about money and "hoes"), unlike in the past, where rap was used to show the troubles of everyday life in the street.
The depth of both texts and music used has degraded heavily, I miss the days when you could hear pearls like:



You won't understand it since it's in polish, but just check out how this song flows. And it doesn't say anything about money, love or anything like that. It's about HIV/AIDS test and how anxious person becomes waiting for the results, will it be a plus or a minus (positive/negative)?

On the US scene, which is more or less the craddle of rap, the only thing that's reassuring is that there are still people who stay true to the old ways.



Another thing I want to see more in music is collaborations from artists coming from different genres. Those tend to produce awesome results. Just check them out:





Things like that help you forget about the differences and enjoy quality music without any prejudice.

Edit: Found version that might be more to OP's liking

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Raskit
Profile Joined July 2009
579 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-10 13:02:37
December 10 2010 13:01 GMT
#138
On December 10 2010 21:51 ggrrg wrote:
Rap is pretty mindnumbing for the most part. I really can't understand people that enjoy listening to some "gangsta" with 5 pounds of gold hanging from his neck and another 2 lbs inserted in his mouth explaining that he's the king of the world, banging hoes day and night, snorting/smoking/swallowing a variety of drugs inbetween while praising his weapon collection that he needs to protect himself from other "gangstas" and the "fucking police". Of course all of that has to be conveyed with an absurd amount of swearing in a slang that is barely related to any real language...
Death metal and other styles including extreme screaming make my ears bleed, but when I hear rap I feel my braincells dying.
Hip hop and in rare cases rap can be enjoyable but I prefer metal normally.


Your ignorance and close mindedness is rather humorous. You know all those people you don't talk to about Starcraft and eSports because of how they don't understand it or would give a stereotypical, ignorant negative comment? Yeh, you just demonstrated the kind of response one of those people would give when it comes to hip-hop/rap.
Joementum
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
787 Posts
December 10 2010 13:05 GMT
#139
On December 10 2010 21:18 CurLy[] wrote:
Ya'll niggas is trippin.


These niggas be arguing 'bout some stupid shit.

Why does every thread on TL turn into some debate or argument? It's like everyone is trying to be a smartass and out smartass each other.
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Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-10 13:11:19
December 10 2010 13:10 GMT
#140
To quote a very wise person :

"teamliquid, where everyone is a 200 iq genius that make 200k a year and does a backflip hatchet attack."

There is nothing bad with arguing, its only bad when you are 100% NOT open to other opinions. Then everyone can write their arguments over and over again and nothing improves/no solution shall be found.

Or sometimes there does not have to be a solution, just confirmation. That is achieved easier.

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