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I don't understand some people saying "This can't be worse then pandas right?" when MoP actually turned out to be a very good expansion.
Anyways though, the highlight for me are the Garrisons just because there is so much shit you can do with it!! Its their version of player housing but on steroids. Also, I'm a bit confused by Blizzards explanation. They say we aren't going back in time but the Dark Portal is turning red and bad guys are coming through and we get to see the orc warlords how they were back then, but things are happening now(so im assuming now means present).
Also, they say Garrosh escaped and somehow went back in time and created the Iron Horde but hes not the main bad guy. He simply wants to invade current Azeroth for revenge.
Oh, and, I've been a Tauren since the vanilla beta and EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! The new Tauren looks amazing.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Oke I may need to look into this again.
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Italy12246 Posts
I guess the only other explanation is that Garrosh has somehow brought old Draenor to the present in the event leading to the xpac they mentioned? So you go to outland, then northrend and shit, then later on somehow old Draenor shows up and you can use the "new" Dark Portal to get there.
Makes no fucking sense, but slightly better than "you go back in time but it's not time travel".
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Time travel, eh?
Oh Blizzard, why do thee massacre thy story of mine cherished Warcraft III?
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Just think of it like a book of of alternate history, like one in which the US Civil War goes the way of the Confederacy. Those can be fun 
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On November 09 2013 09:53 Disengaged wrote:
I don't understand some people saying "This can't be worse then pandas right?" when MoP actually turned out to be a very good expansion.
The theme (along with having to deal with LFR) was a real put-off for me. I usually manage full max levels on every character on my main server, but only managed 5 in MoP. Didn't help that early MoP was so daily heavy as well. 5.1 and 5.3 added nothing to the game but a few scenarios and more dailies.
Just came to question myself: why should I play more of this outside of raiding? Do the LFR epics give me a sense of satisfaction? Panda lore/world wasn't interesting to me at all, the Pandas were all so happy and stuff that the enemies didn't feel like much of a threat. Why would I go out and do stuff in Pandaria when I don't really care about what happens to it? That's just my opinion.
If you found something you liked about MoP, more power to you. Unfortunately for me however, I had to turn to D2 to kill 4 months waiting for the next patch after ToT because I ran out of things that I wanted to do.
On November 09 2013 10:03 Spaylz wrote:
Time travel, eh?
Oh Blizzard, why do thee massacre thy story of mine cherished Warcraft III?
True, but it's Outland again. They'll have an opportunity to re-create another truly alien world (unlike Pandaria) like with the original Outland, that it'll be somewhat good for the leveling experience?
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On November 09 2013 09:58 Teoita wrote:
I guess the only other explanation is that Garrosh has somehow brought old Draenor to the present in the event leading to the xpac they mentioned? So you go to outland, then northrend and shit, then later on somehow old Draenor shows up and you can use the "new" Dark Portal to get there.
Makes no fucking sense, but slightly better than "you go back in time but it's not time travel".
That makes sense seeing how Garrosh created the Iron Horde only to bring them to the current Azeroth for his revenge.
They also say the ending of this expansion will launch the next one. So, by them saying that I can only imagine something popping up during a cutscene like near the end then all of a sudden, the Legion show themselves. Or, possibly, leads into The Dark Below assuming that its real and Blizzard thought that far ahead.
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Have to say it's looking great. Haven't played since Cata.
Would have preferred demons to orcs though.
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You have to wonder, can they REALLY do anything more to make the game even more casual? You would think by now they tried everything by now. Lore is freaking disgusting by now, it hurts to know what they are doing with it.
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I am torn. On the one hand, this new expansion seems to focus on the old chieftains like Hellscream, which is awesome. On the other hand, time travel? Having 1 raid and a couple dungeons (Caverns of Time) based on going to the past is fine, but when the entire expansion is focused on it...the problem is what is going to be accomplished within the story in the present? I haven't played Pandaria (quit a month before Firelands so it's been about 2 1/2 years) but from what I've heard a lot of the characters were fucked with as well as a lot of the story. So at least it can't screw the story up too much.
And Gronn with huge cannons mounted on their backs? Wut?
In any case, it may look worth checking out again, especially if you do get boosted to 90. We'll see how I feel in a year's time.
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On November 09 2013 10:21 Leopoldshark wrote:And Gronn with huge cannons mounted on their backs? Wut?
In any case, it may look worth checking out again, especially if you do get boosted to 90. We'll see how I feel in a year's time.
You can thank Garrosh for bringing that technology with him.
Also, the story for MoP was pretty damn good. It had quite the character progression. Varian has grown as a character and is no longer a "KILL FIRST ASK QUESTIONS LATER" type of person. Pandaria had a lesson to teach everyone and it taught its lesson to the characters within the story. Nothing was "fucked" with in my opinion.
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On November 09 2013 10:26 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 10:21 Leopoldshark wrote:And Gronn with huge cannons mounted on their backs? Wut?
In any case, it may look worth checking out again, especially if you do get boosted to 90. We'll see how I feel in a year's time. You can thank Garrosh for bringing that technology with him. Also, the story for MoP was pretty damn good. It had quite the character progression. Varian has grown as a character and is no longer a "KILL FIRST ASK QUESTIONS LATER" type of person. Pandaria had a lesson to teach everyone and it taught its lesson to the characters within the story. Nothing was "fucked" with in my opinion.
At the expense of Tyrande, who was shown to be pretty clueless for being the commander of the Sentinels for over 10,000 years? Besides, Wrathion said it himself, Varian didn't use the Cataclysm to further any sort of military gain (Alliance quest). He probably wasn't as reckless as you thought he was.
Wrathion + Show Spoiler +turned out to be just another scheming bad guy
I really don't see much character progression.
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UGH I DONT FEEL LIKE WASTING MY LIFE AGAIN ON THIS GAME.
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On November 09 2013 10:38 TriO wrote:
UGH I DONT FEEL LIKE WASTING MY LIFE AGAIN ON THIS GAME.
Then don't.
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On November 09 2013 10:37 IntoTheEmo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 10:26 Disengaged wrote:On November 09 2013 10:21 Leopoldshark wrote:And Gronn with huge cannons mounted on their backs? Wut?
In any case, it may look worth checking out again, especially if you do get boosted to 90. We'll see how I feel in a year's time. You can thank Garrosh for bringing that technology with him. Also, the story for MoP was pretty damn good. It had quite the character progression. Varian has grown as a character and is no longer a "KILL FIRST ASK QUESTIONS LATER" type of person. Pandaria had a lesson to teach everyone and it taught its lesson to the characters within the story. Nothing was "fucked" with in my opinion. At the expense of Tyrande, who was shown to be pretty clueless for being the commander of the Sentinels for over 10,000 years? Besides, Wrathion said it himself, Varian didn't use the Cataclysm to further any sort of military gain (Alliance quest). He probably wasn't as reckless as you thought he was. Wrathion + Show Spoiler +turned out to be just another scheming bad guy . Garrosh committed genocide pretty much and paid nothing for it (with Varian's intervention no less. Made no sense really. Have you not seen the human female corpses planted on a pole with arrows sticking out of them in Orgrimmar where the Dark Shaman encounter is?). Jaina lost Theramore - her anger was justified, yet the entire Horde vs Alliance conflict was downplayed by the Pandas (Taran Zhu) who saw it as childish. I really don't see much character progression.
It was Varian who was going to kill Garrosh but it was Thrall who intervened and stopped him. Yes, I've seen the corpses that are impaled where the Dark Shaman encounter takes place because I like to pay attention to details. Jaina's anger is justified at Garrosh but not the entire Horde. You would think Jaina is smart enough to realize this. That it wasn't Thrall's Horde(now Vol'Jins) who did it but that could be a story for another time.
+ Show Spoiler + I also don't see how Wrathion is another scheming bad guy yet. Yes, he wanted Azeroth to be united under a single banner. At first he wanted it to be Garrosh but after he went crazy because of his own pride he changed his stance towards the Alliance. He wanted Azeroth to be united under a single banner for the battle to come which is either against the Legion or something that will rise from deep within Azeroth. His little explosion just reminded me of a child who didn't get his way so hes throwing a temper tantrum. I'll just wait for the continuation of the story to see whether or not he is just another villain.
Also, Varian not doing anything military wise back in Cataclysm could probably be explained in a book.
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On November 09 2013 10:48 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 10:37 IntoTheEmo wrote:On November 09 2013 10:26 Disengaged wrote:On November 09 2013 10:21 Leopoldshark wrote:And Gronn with huge cannons mounted on their backs? Wut?
In any case, it may look worth checking out again, especially if you do get boosted to 90. We'll see how I feel in a year's time. You can thank Garrosh for bringing that technology with him. Also, the story for MoP was pretty damn good. It had quite the character progression. Varian has grown as a character and is no longer a "KILL FIRST ASK QUESTIONS LATER" type of person. Pandaria had a lesson to teach everyone and it taught its lesson to the characters within the story. Nothing was "fucked" with in my opinion. At the expense of Tyrande, who was shown to be pretty clueless for being the commander of the Sentinels for over 10,000 years? Besides, Wrathion said it himself, Varian didn't use the Cataclysm to further any sort of military gain (Alliance quest). He probably wasn't as reckless as you thought he was. Wrathion + Show Spoiler +turned out to be just another scheming bad guy . Garrosh committed genocide pretty much and paid nothing for it (with Varian's intervention no less. Made no sense really. Have you not seen the human female corpses planted on a pole with arrows sticking out of them in Orgrimmar where the Dark Shaman encounter is?). Jaina lost Theramore - her anger was justified, yet the entire Horde vs Alliance conflict was downplayed by the Pandas (Taran Zhu) who saw it as childish. I really don't see much character progression. It was Varian who was going to kill Garrosh but it was Thrall who intervened and stopped him. Yes, I've seen the corpses that are impaled where the Dark Shaman encounter takes place because I like to pay attention to details. Jaina's anger is justified at Garrosh but not the entire Horde. You would think Jaina is smart enough to realize this. That it wasn't Thrall's Horde(now Vol'Jins) who did it but that could be a story for another time.
+ Show Spoiler +
Varian definitely stopped Thrall there. I definitely remembered it, cause I had to catch myself for a sec after we got Garrosh for the first time. Just had to correct that  . Either way this thread isn't supposed to be entirely for Lore discussion anyway, so I'll leave it at that.
See what else is revealed I guess. I'd also like them to balance the factions more. Or at least, take away the terrible advantage Horde racials have over Alliance in PvE. I'd like to see them work a little harder to keep their current subs from dwindling further - I feel that dealing with the server populations is more of a priority right now than anything else.
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Im curious if we'll have to purchase mists of pandaria to purchase this or if I can purchase it all stand alone without mop.(Have up to cata now).
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On November 09 2013 11:02 IntoTheEmo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 10:48 Disengaged wrote:On November 09 2013 10:37 IntoTheEmo wrote:On November 09 2013 10:26 Disengaged wrote:On November 09 2013 10:21 Leopoldshark wrote:And Gronn with huge cannons mounted on their backs? Wut?
In any case, it may look worth checking out again, especially if you do get boosted to 90. We'll see how I feel in a year's time. You can thank Garrosh for bringing that technology with him. Also, the story for MoP was pretty damn good. It had quite the character progression. Varian has grown as a character and is no longer a "KILL FIRST ASK QUESTIONS LATER" type of person. Pandaria had a lesson to teach everyone and it taught its lesson to the characters within the story. Nothing was "fucked" with in my opinion. At the expense of Tyrande, who was shown to be pretty clueless for being the commander of the Sentinels for over 10,000 years? Besides, Wrathion said it himself, Varian didn't use the Cataclysm to further any sort of military gain (Alliance quest). He probably wasn't as reckless as you thought he was. Wrathion + Show Spoiler +turned out to be just another scheming bad guy . Garrosh committed genocide pretty much and paid nothing for it (with Varian's intervention no less. Made no sense really. Have you not seen the human female corpses planted on a pole with arrows sticking out of them in Orgrimmar where the Dark Shaman encounter is?). Jaina lost Theramore - her anger was justified, yet the entire Horde vs Alliance conflict was downplayed by the Pandas (Taran Zhu) who saw it as childish. I really don't see much character progression. It was Varian who was going to kill Garrosh but it was Thrall who intervened and stopped him. Yes, I've seen the corpses that are impaled where the Dark Shaman encounter takes place because I like to pay attention to details. Jaina's anger is justified at Garrosh but not the entire Horde. You would think Jaina is smart enough to realize this. That it wasn't Thrall's Horde(now Vol'Jins) who did it but that could be a story for another time. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMd1PPs2UPg Varian definitely stopped Thrall there. I definitely remembered it, cause I had to catch myself for a sec after we got Garrosh for the first time. Just had to correct that . Either way this thread isn't supposed to be entirely for Lore discussion anyway, so I'll leave it at that. See what else is revealed I guess. I'd also like them to balance the factions more. Or at least, take away the terrible advantage Horde racials have over Alliance in PvE. I'd like to see them work a little harder to keep their current subs from dwindling further - I feel that dealing with the server populations is more of a priority right now than anything else.
My bad. I remembered it wrong but yeah. I'll say one more thing about Varian and lore and be done lol
Varian had a chance to end the Horde right then and there but chose to take a chance for peace with them. The old Varian would've ended the Horde right then and there. Hes definately grown as a character not only from over Cata and from books but from Pandaria as well.
I'm interested in seeing if they will annouce who the main bad guy will be for this expansion but I really really hope they don't because when they announced Garrosh was going to be the main bad guy for MoP I was excited and disappointed because the build up over time to where Garrosh goes crazy because of his pride and lust for power was pretty cool. It was to bad they announced it before MoP even launched because the big reveal would've been awesome.
Also, can't forget a cinematic!! They can't have a Blizzcon and announce a new WoW expansion without the intro cinematic :D
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My bet is the main villain will be something time related, like someone who helped garosh go back in time. I just hope they aren't 'corrupted' or anything. But maybe they're influenced by Sargeras like Medivh was, and try to invade azeroth again or something. meh, we'll find out in time.
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On November 09 2013 11:24 Roe wrote:
My bet is the main villain will be something time related, like someone who helped garosh go back in time. I just hope they aren't 'corrupted' or anything. But maybe they're influenced by Sargeras like Medivh was, and try to invade azeroth again or something. meh, we'll find out in time.
It's probably Wrathion, as he expressed an interest in using time travel to create new worlds, was bitter after SoO, and there's at least one traitor in the Bronze Dragonflight.
Kil'Jaeden's also a possibility, as Gul'Dan's apparently consorting with him.
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