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On November 09 2013 11:03 FromShouri wrote:
Im curious if we'll have to purchase mists of pandaria to purchase this or if I can purchase it all stand alone without mop.(Have up to cata now).
What they have done in the past is lower the price for all the old xpacs. If you wait until there is a sale or right before xpac you will liekly only pay 5-10$ to get Pandaria.
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We are not going back in time, Garrosh is bringing the past to the future. The bronze dragonflight, like all of 'em, lost fraction of their powers at the end of Cataclysm, they are no longer able to control timelines only travel between them. There's also the new player Kairoz(or someone else) from their dragonflight who offers you the Vision of Time quests which allow you to see cut scenes of possible future. We will most likely see more of the story surrounding that unfold in next expansion and/or the ones after(as the end of this exp will spill over into next ones).
Now to the biggest complaint I've got. 20man raids. What in the actual fuck are they thinking? Guild merges don't work, and this effects BOTH 10 and 25 man guilds make no mistake. Top 25man pve guilds, we are talking about the very top here, we have more than just 25 players in the core, I don't even want to start thinking about who 10 players I'm forced tell, sorry buddy, there's no room for you to raid anymore, go find er, I don't know really since all other top guilds are kicking members left and right, go merge with 10mans lol. No, just no. And how the hell are Paragon, Sanitas etc are supposed to stay competitive when they suddenly need to recruit over 10 players more?
Also how are you going to balance the number of roles left over? I hardly think 20mans are going to require 4-5 tanks. Lets assume now two 10 man guilds merge, what are the 2 tanks supposed to do now? Sure I've switched mains between tiers if something else was required and I've alts geared up but most people enjoy playing just on their main. Hell, in most guilds for example that warrior tanking who's been doing it for years now is doing it because he enjoys it and probably likes to raidlead from that position as well. Good luck trying to get him to switch to something he doesn't enjoy.
This is something which might drive forces to unsub, at least what's I like to think at the moment. It can affect servers as well, so you've your medium servers with only some raiding guilds, suddenly they quit and you might see prices going up in AH and you sure as hell wont really attract new players/guilds in your server. This just seems overall bad idea right now, and it's confusing as hell now that they decided rename difficulty levels for no apparent reason except lolz normal is heroics now.
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Many of the top raiding guilds field 2 raid groups, so I think you're being overdramatic dude. Sorry it affects your guild though.
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Hmm.. Could someone tell me how this portal ended up on the bottom of the "zangarmarsh ocean" and later standing in zangarmarsh?
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Well nvm. I found out it was put there after the sundering of draenor to get the burning legion there and later closed by illidan.
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Ahh... This makes Mr want to play again even tho I escaped and never played mop.
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On November 09 2013 13:40 Nausea wrote:Hmm.. Could someone tell me how this portal ended up on the bottom of the "zangarmarsh ocean" and later standing in zangarmarsh?
There are some definite inconsistencies with Zangarmarsh, specifically the draenei ruins and that portal, but that's kind of par for the course with things like this.
My best guess would be that the ecological damage the orcs did with fel magic(possibly the eruption of the Hand of Gul'Dan) evaporated enough of the ocean to drain enough of the Zangar Sea for them to build the portal.
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Time travel... that is not for me  What DCRed says on this page sounds a bit like Terminator lore. Don't really need that in my Warcraft universe.
I can only assume that the lore must be a total mess by now. Just adding stuff for the purpose of adding stuff. I don't know, I have read 10.000+ pages of Malazan books, so I don't mind complex and long-winded story telling. But I don't think this is the Warcraft lore I cherished anymore.
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Not sure why Blizzard insists on forcing 20 man raids at this point when raiding guilds are already a dying breed. Seems like a pointless change, especially when most of the playerbase does LFR exclusively. Just going to cause more trouble.
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On November 09 2013 15:42 Malinor wrote:Time travel... that is not for me What DCRed says on this page sounds a bit like Terminator lore. Don't really need that in my Warcraft universe. I can only assume that the lore must be a total mess by now. Just adding stuff for the purpose of adding stuff. I don't know, I have read 10.000+ pages of Malazan books, so I don't mind complex and long-winded story telling. But I don't think this is the Warcraft lore I cherished anymore.
Warcraft's had time travel since whenever the bronze dragons were introduced, which was at least 2004. That said, it's multiverse hopping more than it is actual time travel.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On November 09 2013 16:11 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 15:42 Malinor wrote:Time travel... that is not for me What DCRed says on this page sounds a bit like Terminator lore. Don't really need that in my Warcraft universe. I can only assume that the lore must be a total mess by now. Just adding stuff for the purpose of adding stuff. I don't know, I have read 10.000+ pages of Malazan books, so I don't mind complex and long-winded story telling. But I don't think this is the Warcraft lore I cherished anymore. Warcraft's had time travel since whenever the bronze dragons were introduced, which was at least 2004. That said, it's multiverse hopping more than it is actual time travel. + Show Spoiler +
So will this mean there are two Burning Legions now?
Thanks, Garrosh.
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On November 09 2013 16:24 Aevera wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 16:11 Daralii wrote:On November 09 2013 15:42 Malinor wrote:Time travel... that is not for me What DCRed says on this page sounds a bit like Terminator lore. Don't really need that in my Warcraft universe. I can only assume that the lore must be a total mess by now. Just adding stuff for the purpose of adding stuff. I don't know, I have read 10.000+ pages of Malazan books, so I don't mind complex and long-winded story telling. But I don't think this is the Warcraft lore I cherished anymore. Warcraft's had time travel since whenever the bronze dragons were introduced, which was at least 2004. That said, it's multiverse hopping more than it is actual time travel. + Show Spoiler + So will this mean there are two Burning Legions now? Thanks, Garrosh.
It's entirely possible. Granted, we also get two Velens, Akamas, and Nobundos.
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On November 09 2013 16:24 Aevera wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 16:11 Daralii wrote:On November 09 2013 15:42 Malinor wrote:Time travel... that is not for me What DCRed says on this page sounds a bit like Terminator lore. Don't really need that in my Warcraft universe. I can only assume that the lore must be a total mess by now. Just adding stuff for the purpose of adding stuff. I don't know, I have read 10.000+ pages of Malazan books, so I don't mind complex and long-winded story telling. But I don't think this is the Warcraft lore I cherished anymore. Warcraft's had time travel since whenever the bronze dragons were introduced, which was at least 2004. That said, it's multiverse hopping more than it is actual time travel. + Show Spoiler + So will this mean there are two Burning Legions now? Thanks, Garrosh.
rofl :D
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So, I've been reading the WoW forums and someone brought up a very cool idea.
What if Grom ended up killing Garrosh?
Just imagine it. The son who aspired to be like his father. Who prided himself that he was Groms son and that he wanted to achieve something far greater then what he did. Trying to remove himself from the shadows of Grom.
Only to be struck down by his father because he does not approve of his honorless ways.
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On November 09 2013 17:03 Disengaged wrote:
So, I've been reading the WoW forums and someone brought up a very cool idea.
What if Grom ended up killing Garrosh?
Just imagine it. The son who aspired to be like his father. Who prided himself that he was Groms son and that he wanted to achieve something far greater then what he did. Trying to remove himself from the shadows of Grom.
Only to be struck down by his father because he does not approve of his honorless ways.
We're talking about Grom "murders children and laughs about it" Hellscream. I don't think he'd disapprove of a WMD; if anything he'd probably praise Garrosh for it.
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On November 09 2013 09:16 Teoita wrote:
Yeah it's actually impossible to quit wow lol. I quit at the start of cata and i'm in the same boat.
i havnt played since the end of burning crusade and wanna try again :/
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all the ppl that complain about time travel, didnt really get it. we wont go back in time! the old draenor will come to the present. we wont go back and nothing that happend in the past will change, lore wise. everything will happen in the present
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I want to be hyped for this but I can't think of anything that excites me.
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On November 09 2013 11:03 FromShouri wrote:
Im curious if we'll have to purchase mists of pandaria to purchase this or if I can purchase it all stand alone without mop.(Have up to cata now).
i'm in the same boat. do we have to buy MOP to play this new expo?
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yes, you cant skip an expansion. the question is only if you get it for free or at a reduced price, together with WoD
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