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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
LMA, lamarcus aldridge btw, I said blake only does a quarter of what they do. the players I mentioned play defense, have mid range games, can play contribute ob offense without veing a primary focus. those are all things blake needs immense work on, sure in 5 years ill be singing a different tune, but you are just being a fanboy if you don't think love, bosh, garnett, and lma aren't unspeakably far advanced in the nba compared to blake. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Blake has been used to beasting it up throughout HS and college, being tall enough to hang out under the basket and then also being athletic enough to catch up to challenge shots when having to rotate. With more time and better coaching, he will get better at defending at this level... How much better? That is what I can't figure out yet lol. edit: I assume he will try to add to his game during offseasons, like many of the great players who keep improving during their career, so I don't really think about his offense. So he is weak on a midrange jumper? Meh, one offseason of working hard at it will do wonders for him. As years go on, I kind of take it for granted he will improve his O. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
But that's largely covered up by his tremendous ability to score at the rim. Sorry - I don't care how sweet LMA/Bosh/Garnett's midrangesr are. Efficient scoring is efficient scoring. And you think Blake has bad offensive movement? He's an excellent roller. He goes to the right spots, though his decision making with the ball is a bit spotty. He is a fantastic passer from almost every where. He can handle the ball in the open court. Some people love Blake because all they see are the dunks. Some people hate him for the same reasons. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
and the four players I mentioned are the four best pf in the league, their jumpshot has a nominal influence on my opinion of them. their ability to execute in a half court, as well as play the best defense in their position in the league. which of these two crucial aspects of a power forwards arsenal does blake possess? neither. he is an excellent roller, and has okay post moves. that's the extent, lma, bosh, garnett, love, all stretch to 15 feet, a valuable asset in half court playoff basketball. hell garnett goes to 18 and love shoots the three with the best of them. not to mention that their ability to set screens (illegal or not) is better than blakes, their understanding of their teammates roles is better than blakes (mostly due to experience), they understand their opponents defensive schemes better and don't force the situation as much as blake does (another experience edge), as well as roll towards the rim at a decent success rate. so basically, what blake does, these other guys do too, except not as wreckless, and they do more on offense by stretching the floor and have good off the ball movement, as well as playing the top defense for their position. seems to me that those four players get an easy nod past blake, tim duncan too if you dony consider him a C. sure you could argue josh smith or bargs not being as good, but it would actually be an conversation, unlike this one which is the top 4 pfs, hands down, vs a media darling. its almost like the rose argument of last year, which was proven incorrect by his mvp supporters when chicago did just as good without him. the media inflates the impression you have of players more than you could imagine. how many people still think gilbert is a loser? well that's because of his lack of media coverage. how many people think that garnett and duncan are old, even though timmy d is just shy of his normal numbers, and garnett is a top pf in the league? the media makes judge a player, negatively or positively, and its hard to seperate the truth from the media truth. I hate trueshooting as a stat overall, but for the record blake is tied with ivan johnson for 18th, only edging out bosh (19th), but being beat by garnett (16th), lma (11th), and love, (9th) which means he only scores more efficiently than bosh. I know it weights threes to heavily, but he isnt going to score more efficiently than love, and the other plays don't shoot threes. I never even graced upon, pau, z-bo, or millsap. | ||
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VENDIZ
1575 Posts
LaMarcus Aldrige ..and KG has been playing like a boss at center, not PF.. he was looking his age prior to the all-star break, but after switching it up post break he has been amazing to watch. ..also I lol'd at Bargnani & Scola > Griffin.. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
Those players live and die on their jump shot, except Love, who is the best PF. LMA is super limited. I don't see how his defenses anything besides mega pedestrian. He's a whatever rebounder as well. Kevin Garnett has probably the best defensive instincts in the history of basketball, but, to say he can get to the rim like Blake but not as "wreckless?" I hope that was a pun, btw, is just silly. And that whole TS% paragraph is ridiculous, btw. Basically, you're saying you don't like the praise Blake gets. That's fine. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On April 18 2012 07:49 slyboogie wrote: His TS is bad because he can't shoot free throws. Those players live and die on their jump shot, except Love, who is the best PF. LMA is super limited. I don't see how his defenses anything besides mega pedestrian. He's a whatever rebounder as well. Kevin Garnett has probably the best defensive instincts in the history of basketball, but, to say he can get to the rim like Blake but not as "wreckless?" I hope that was a pun, btw, is just silly. And that whole TS% paragraph is ridiculous, btw. Basically, you're saying you don't like the praise Blake gets. That's fine. This is ridiculous logic, getting to the rim is fine and all, but just because all you can ever do is make efficient plays just means you dont have the range as a player. Sorry but the Clips, in the playoffs in particular have a close to 0 chance of dunking their way to a win. If he gets a mid range jumper and a brain on D, this totally changes everything. I love Griffin and I think he can be amazing because he already has the athletic tools (atleast offensively) but lets get real. Hes barely bareellyyy a top 10 PF all values considered. The Llkes of Love. KG and Duncan live and die by their jumpers ? Are you kidding ? Just because these players dont stuff it over defenders anymore doesnt mean they arent efficient scorers in the low post. Thats precisely what makes them better. Its very easy to hide behind "Oh you just hate him because he dunks alot." Thats ridiculous. He dunks/gets to the rim alot because thats all he can do effectively, and playoff teams dont make it that easy. Even with CP3 running the point. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On April 18 2012 07:44 VENDIZ wrote: LaMarcus Aldrige ..and KG has been playing like a boss at center, not PF.. he was looking his age prior to the all-star break, but after switching it up post break he has been amazing to watch. ..also I lol'd at Bargnani & Scola > Griffin.. I never said Bargs & Scola > I said they do more for a basketball team. And Garnett playing center is merely semantics, im sure most fantasy leagues place him as a PF/C, and for all statistical purposes he is a PF. On April 18 2012 07:49 slyboogie wrote: His TS is bad because he can't shoot free throws. Those players live and die on their jump shot, except Love, who is the best PF. LMA is super limited. I don't see how his defenses anything besides mega pedestrian. He's a whatever rebounder as well. Kevin Garnett has probably the best defensive instincts in the history of basketball, but, to say he can get to the rim like Blake but not as "wreckless?" I hope that was a pun, btw, is just silly. And that whole TS% paragraph is ridiculous, btw. Basically, you're saying you don't like the praise Blake gets. That's fine. You claimed he scored efficiently, or as efficiently as these players, which i pointed out to be only half true, his does convert at a nice rate, but its actually lesser than that of everyone I listed barring Bosh. My post on TS% was refuting your point that converting efficiently is converting efficiently. While, really Griffin is fools gold, because hack a blake is a totally viable strategy. I'd love a team to do hack a Nett, or hack a tim, they'd lose by 100 points and all be fouled out. And yes, what I said was that people are praising Blake as a top 3 PF, when that just isn't true, he is hardly a top 10 if you include Tim Duncan and Garnett. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
He never brought up Duncan. I explicitly used the word "except" when talking about Love. Please read all the posts. Blake commands a double about 60% of the time. He's somewhere around 1.4 ppp at 3 feet and in. Period! Just strip away the player and consider that. No one is "dunking" their team to the finals, just like no one is "three point shooting" their way to the finals or 15-18 footing their way to the play offs. Points are points - who cares how you get them? I don't care if you score like Kevin Martin or Andre Miller - as long as you put the ball in the bucket, get your ass to the charity stripe and keep the ball from the opponent. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On April 18 2012 08:12 Holcan wrote: You claimed he scored efficiently, or as efficiently as these players, which i pointed out to be only half true, his does convert at a nice rate, but its actually lesser than that of everyone I listed barring Bosh. My post on TS% was refuting your point that converting efficiently is converting efficiently. While, really Griffin is fools gold, because hack a blake is a totally viable strategy. I'd love a team to do hack a Nett, or hack a tim, they'd lose by 100 points and all be fouled out. And yes, what I said was that people are praising Blake as a top 3 PF, when that just isn't true, he is hardly a top 10 if you include Tim Duncan and Garnett. Well, then you're wrong. You would never hack Blake until the very end of the half or the fourth - he's not DeAndre Jordan. You can't realistically give your opponents 1.2 point a possession AND put yourself into penalty. Thata reaching... He's not top 3. And he isn't even in young Garnett/Duncan's universe. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On April 18 2012 07:49 slyboogie wrote: His TS is bad because he can't shoot free throws. Those players live and die on their jump shot, except Love, who is the best PF. LMA is super limited. I don't see how his defenses anything besides mega pedestrian. He's a whatever rebounder as well. Kevin Garnett has probably the best defensive instincts in the history of basketball, but, to say he can get to the rim like Blake but not as "wreckless?" I hope that was a pun, btw, is just silly. And that whole TS% paragraph is ridiculous, btw. Basically, you're saying you don't like the praise Blake gets. That's fine. His TS% paragraph was in response to you saying Blake was a more efficient scorer I think sly. Don't be so cynical now man Him not making free throws bodes even worse for him come playoff time and more half court sets, which is where the "best PF" argument should be mostly based on. LMA has a more complete and refined offensive game, and it starts with his jump shot, but he also has a better back-to-the-basket game/moves than Griffin. If Griffin would get a midrange jump shot then it would open everything else up more for him. But as of now, I think Aldridge would do a better job at being "the man" in a playoff series (meaning the primary guy a defense would defend). edit: oops a few posts late....and I am not saying the Clips offense would run thru Griffin either, as Chris Paul is a genius in the half court and they have him for a reason. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On April 18 2012 08:21 MassHysteria wrote: His TS% paragraph was in response to you saying Blake was a more efficient scorer I think sly. Don't be so cynical now man Him not making free throws bodes even worse for him come playoff time and more half court sets, which is where the "best PF" argument should be mostly based on. LMA has a more complete and refined offensive game, and it starts with his jump shot, but he also has a better back-to-the-basket game/moves than Griffin. If Griffin would get a midrange jump shot then it would open everything else up more for him. But as of now, I think Aldridge would do a better job at being "the man" in a playoff series (meaning the primary guy a defense would defend). edit: oops a few posts late....and I am not saying the Clips offense would run thru Griffin either, as Chris Paul is a genius in the half court and they have him for a reason. Why can't they love him like I love him Q____Q | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
Shaq shot 53% over his career. Hack-A-Shaq isn't a good strategy to begin with, but ill be surprised if it isn't used against the clippers at least once in playoffs. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
Dallas Mavericks guard Delonte West has played down concerns at a possible fine from the NBA after giving an opponent a "wet willie". After being called for a foul on his Utah Jazz player Gordon Hayward late in the first half of the game in Salt Lake City, West nonchalantly approached Hayward and poked his index finger in Hayward’s right ear. The incident was missed by the officials but sparked a furious reaction from the crowd, forcing a review. West was handed a technical foul and a seat on the bench and was booed by the Jazz fans for the rest of the night. West played down the incident after Dallas went down 123-121 in triple overtime. "I was giving him a wet willie, that's all," West told reporters. "He had some lint in his hair. We were two warriors. We were battling. I forgot, the NBA's a gentleman's game so we've got to fight and scratch, and do it nicely." The 28-year-old - who grinned when asked if his jab on Hayward should be renamed a "West willie" - said he was not worried about getting reprimanded by league commissioner David Stern's office. Asked if he anticipated a fine, he said, "If they do, they do. If they don't, they don't." | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
@sly haha :p | ||
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