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On February 19 2012 13:16 x2fst wrote:
correlation with offensive efficiency consistently higher with ts% compared to fg%. opponent ts% is also has a higher correlation with defensive efficiency than fg%, again this is true every year. (http://hoopdata.com has the data for this)
It does? I didn't notice that on hoopdata but maybe I didn't look hard enough? Can you link me to it?
Offensive rating already has it's host of problems but I'd think FG% or eFG% would weight much, much more for a player's offensive ability than TS%.
hard to fast break off made free throws, and the effect of long rebounds isn't enough to overcome this impact because possessions ending in long 2s carry less turnover risk than drives/cuts for close shots. live ball turnovers are far more costly to a team's d than missed jumpers. offensive rebounding is the next most important offensive stat that can negatively impact d. long rebounds really don't matter that much at all. there's been a lot written about these in the various blogs, should be able to find them through a little googling
The issue with Free Throws is that going from the Superstar level down you don't get much consistency or even enough volume for it to matter much in a player's offensive impact. "Hard to fast break off of made Free Throws" doesn't really mean much if you aren't generating enough of them. You are correct in that a turn over is much more costly to a team's defense than a missed jumper - but that doesn't understate the impact of missing shots. I'm not even talking about long rebounds here: Just straight up the amount of wasted possessions you end up creating from bad shooting.
for example: if dwight howard shot 90% from the line he would score, ~4 more pts per game on the same amount of possessions. the best teams in the nba outscore their opponents by like 5-7ppg generally. 4ppg is HUGE over the course of a season. fg% would tell you nothing about this effect, whereas ts% would reflect his drastically improved efficiency. if dwights fg% were to increase, ts% would take it into account in terms of it's actual effect on his production. ts% has it's limitations as every stat does, but fg% is far more flawed and less relevant almost every circumstance
if you have some data to back up your claims i'm interested in reading it though
I mean really, let me just make this simple:
Player A has a TS% of .551 and Player B has a TS% of .520
Player A also has a FG% of .420 and Player B has a FG% of .485
No one in their right mind is going to tell you that Player A is a much better offensive option than Player B without knowing the amount of Free Throws he's generating and if he's hitting a lot of 3s to make up for his bad FG%. Unfortunately, just looking at TS% I have no idea of figuring this out - so I have to go look at the FG% and FTAs anyway. FG% is by far more relevant than TS% and saying it isn't I'm not sure if you're serious.
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Lin's still young, he can play 48 minutes np. gogogo~~
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On February 20 2012 05:14 rei wrote:
Lin's still young, he can play 48 minutes np. gogogo~~
But in a season with the games so compressed...he starts making more mistakes when he tires
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Dirk is killing us. One-man scoring machine. :/
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On February 20 2012 05:18 krndandaman wrote:
man whats with both pointguards and their TO's today
kidd with 5, lin with 7
good defense? or both careless?
either way no one is gonna care as long as lin keeps up the offensive output
Lin's mad tired. Both Knicks and Mavericks have been sloppy with the ball. 34 turnovers in the entire game.
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On February 20 2012 05:18 krndandaman wrote:
man whats with both pointguards and their TO's today
kidd with 5, lin with 7
good defense? or both careless?
either way no one is gonna care as long as lin keeps up the offensive output
Lin has been trapped a lot during the course of the game, and the other Knicks players haven't exactly been great at getting open (you can also live with a couple of TO's when you have double-figured assists)
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5 TOs is not that many, especially when you're in charge of the ball for pretty much the entire game. Lin has played 43 minutes as well.
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On February 20 2012 05:18 krndandaman wrote:
man whats with both pointguards and their TO's today
kidd with 5, lin with 7
good defense? or both careless?
either way no one is gonna care as long as lin keeps up the offensive output
uhh yeah I mean Marion is a great defender so Lin's offensive output being great is still a big deal, TO's are never great but the teams are defending reasonably well. Dallas getting killed on the offensive boards is the difference for me. I dont get the PG feel from him that I get from a Rubio but kids got substance, Im a fan.
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On February 20 2012 05:18 krndandaman wrote:
man whats with both pointguards and their TO's today
kidd with 5, lin with 7
good defense? or both careless?
either way no one is gonna care as long as lin keeps up the offensive output
Both, but both teams have been slightly lucky with sloppy dribbling. The TO count for both teams should probably be a bit higher than it is.
He is still scoring though.
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Good 1 on 1 defense on lin, and traps forces a lot of turnover, I don't know how Christ Paul does it with almost hardly any turnovers
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On February 20 2012 05:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
5 TOs is not that many, especially when you're in charge of the ball for pretty much the entire game. Lin has played 43 minutes as well.
But he's only played 24 minutes, it's pretty high for someone like jason kidd
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NEED MELO ><
... to reduce Lins TOs haha
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On February 20 2012 05:23 rei wrote:
Good 1 on 1 defense on lin, and traps forces a lot of turnover, I don't know how Christ Paul does it with almost hardly any turnovers
Experience, amazing ability to read plays and exceptional court vision
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Didn't make it, but that was a great move by Lin.
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On February 20 2012 05:26 VENDIZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 05:23 rei wrote:
Good 1 on 1 defense on lin, and traps forces a lot of turnover, I don't know how Christ Paul does it with almost hardly any turnovers Experience, amazing ability to read plays and exceptional court vision
And god like quickness and handling.
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On February 20 2012 05:29 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 05:26 VENDIZ wrote:On February 20 2012 05:23 rei wrote:
Good 1 on 1 defense on lin, and traps forces a lot of turnover, I don't know how Christ Paul does it with almost hardly any turnovers Experience, amazing ability to read plays and exceptional court vision And god like quickness and handling.
It helps being a close-to-complete-in-every-way point guard :D
Edit: I'm a corsair yo! :D
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ROFL hubie brown got a little excited there when they got the steal and JR was wide open under the basket
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EPT
