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Hilarious too, as the Heat basically ran the Pacers out of town by the end of the first half.
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@_@ Hilarious too, as the Heat basically ran the Pacers out of town by the end of the first half. | ||
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cLutZ
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On February 15 2012 15:47 VENDIZ wrote: Not sure if I understood your post correctly, but if I did; yes, Ron Artest changed his name (by law, I guess would be the correct way to put it) to Metta World Peace.. .. if I recall correctly his reasoning at the time was "the world needed more peace" :D PS: MassHysteria, check your PM! :D No I know that, I was wondering if someone could be sued if they just call him "Artest" on air. Because I would. | ||
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On February 15 2012 16:54 igotmyown wrote: You guys forget that Carmelo is a winner, clutch, etc. Freshman year he wins the NCAA tournament and earns the tournament version of the MVP. He has a complete game. Basically everything people complain about Lebron, Carmelo has it right. You must be joking. On February 15 2012 17:53 Holcan wrote: How does that suck for people from Toronto? He would've been behind Calderon, Barbosa and Bayless, it isn't like he would've exploded into the player he is today on Toronto. Also there is no way that NYK get worse when Melo gets healthy, wtf are you thinking. This isn't Javale McGee, or DaMarcus Cousins, this is Carmelo "fuckin" Anthony, who has worked with scoring PG's before (hello AI) as well as a pass first PG (hello Chauncey) not to mention he is a super efficient scorer, and like 3 years removed from a WCF appearance, in which he led his team there, and a couple games removed from a finals appearance (which, in my opinion they would've won vs Orlando). I don't see how a lineup on the floor of Lin, Fields/Shumpert, Melo, Amare, Chandler would be worse than any other lineup that a Melo trade could possibly net. Who are they going to go after? The only possible thing I can think of is a reneg on the nuggets deal :p. Anyways, I feel that the Knicks main problem was refusing to add Landry Fields into the deal, and then drafting another SG this season. If they were just going to double up that position, they should have traded Fields while his worth was still astronomically high. This season his production has dropped and so has his worth, and with Shumpert there to provide better defense, they could really use a trade for fields into something substantial (a back up big perhaps...) ditto for you. On February 15 2012 20:32 Jibba wrote: Carmelo disrupts any offense he's in. It got worse at the end of his time with the Nuggets and was an issue in their WCF. Carmelo might be one of the top 3 most brilliant 1 on 1 players in the league right now, but does not help his team play better. He holds onto the ball and then his teammates stop moving and before you know it you're 9-15 against an average schedule. He's got at least two years of regression to undo and that's not going to happen. Last night was a terrible, ugly game against a bad opponent, but the Knicks were still playing better basketball than they were before Carmelo got injured. When he comes back they'll basically have 2.5 black holes on offense. He's a ball stopper but saying he is disruptive to a team's offense would be going a bit too far. His time in Denver he was on some of the highest offensive rated teams of the era. The real problem is his efficiency. He can score, but he can't score consistently well or really create for anyone but himself regularly. That normally wouldn't be a problem when you've got multiple avenues to mask the problems (Denver) but the Knicks don't have that luxury yet. | ||
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On February 16 2012 02:21 Ace wrote: You must be joking. ditto for you. He's a ball stopper but saying he is disruptive to a team's offense would be going a bit too far. His time in Denver he was on some of the highest offensive rated teams of the era. The real problem is his efficiency. He can score, but he can't score consistently well or really create for anyone but himself regularly. That normally wouldn't be a problem when you've got multiple avenues to mask the problems (Denver) but the Knicks don't have that luxury yet. I really think Melo should be on a team that uses the Triangle, or similar offense. It kinda forces you to do the things that he doesn't do. The Triangle, when run effectively, encouraged Jordan and Kobe to be facilitators in the early game and pick their spots. The Knicks' offense is just wrong for this team. Even Lin doesn't fit it well (despite him playing very well). I watched the Toronto game, and basically there are still gaping flaws in the team, flaws that need more than some pick and rolls. | ||
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I actually think Link will help Carmelo in the long run, although I am probably in the minority. Carmelo is a finisher, and if he buys into the Lin-running-the-offense thing, I think he will be in a better situation to display his skills as opposed to him filling in the "point-forward" role, which is definitely not suited for him. edit: when I typed this, only Ace's post was there...but Carmelo is not efficient in terms of looking at a team's offense as a whole. | ||
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On February 16 2012 03:20 cLutZ wrote: I really think Melo should be on a team that uses the Triangle, or similar offense. It kinda forces you to do the things that he doesn't do. The Triangle, when run effectively, encouraged Jordan and Kobe to be facilitators in the early game and pick their spots. The Knicks' offense is just wrong for this team. Even Lin doesn't fit it well (despite him playing very well). I watched the Toronto game, and basically there are still gaping flaws in the team, flaws that need more than some pick and rolls. Well, Jordan and Kobe were decent facilitators even without the triangle. But you're right in that the difference in their games without the triangle, especially in the case of Kobe, was obvious. Kobe without the triangle, and the players around him, was a disaster from a team standpoint. The problem with the Knicks offense is that the players are the issue. D'Antoni is getting blamed for running a system on a team that he didn't want. He didn't want Melo. He wanted to keep his core of Gallinari, Chandler and Felton. Which when you look at it compared to those Phoenix Suns in SSOL wasn't a bad idea. That team was in it's first year together, and while they weren't killing the East they weren't bad. Amar'e was destroying everyone, Fields was playing out of his mind and Gallo was just starting to make a leap. And then the Knicks FO gutted them for a player I said they shouldn't have. Melo is a great player, but he isn't THE player. So D'Antoni is going to catch hell for coaching a team that he didn't want. People forget but when D'Antoni took the job the Knicks brass told him they'd get him the players he wanted. He had to wait years through shitty roster management to finally get the players he coveted and once he got it the Knicks FO killed it. I somewhat hope this Jeremy Lin thing keeps the heat off of him. But looking at Lin play and the fortunate circumstances around his hype, I already know that once they play Dallas, Miami and then they look at the schedule after the All-Star break shit might get bad. Very fast. | ||
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On February 16 2012 03:30 rei wrote: what scoring efficiency equate to? high shooting %? FG%, or even eFG%. Some people use True Shooting % but that takes into account Free Throws and what I'm talking about right now is just making shots from the field. | ||
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On February 14 2012 16:59 Ace wrote: Funny thing: Bird has "choked" just as badly as Lebron has, in the Finals. No one talks about it though because he eventually won. Being clutch really depends on how people perceive you when it comes to the casual fan. Can you elaborate on this? Bird won his first 2 trips to the finals. He did blow the '85 finals by messing up his shooting hand in a bar fight, but that's not really the same thing as what Bron pulled vs. Boston in 2010 and Dallas in 2011. I agree with the last sentence though. It always amuses me when T-Mac gets labeled as an unclutch playoff choker, because I saw him win playoff games by himself vs. Milwaukee and Detroit in person. His best 2 teammates were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong but somehow the losses were all his fault. | ||
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Ace
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On February 16 2012 03:44 city42 wrote: Can you elaborate on this? Bird won his first 2 trips to the finals. He did blow the '85 finals by messing up his shooting hand in a bar fight, but that's not really the same thing as what Bron pulled vs. Boston in 2010 and Dallas in 2011. I agree with the last sentence though. It always amuses me when T-Mac gets labeled as an unclutch playoff choker, because I saw him win playoff games by himself vs. Milwaukee and Detroit in person. His best 2 teammates were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong but somehow the losses were all his fault. I can't remember the year, and I'm a bit too busy to go searching for the video at the moment but I think it was either 82 or 87. He put on a really bad performance and while it wasn't Lebron James level, he did play like shit. The thing is no one remembers it because Bird was on a stacked team and did win multiple championships. If Lebron wins chips in this era of basketball no one is going to care or even talk about his downfalls 20 years from now. Hell, people don't even remember that Kobe has had some of the worst playoffs runs for a superstar ever. This is the most difficult era to win an NBA championship in so even getting to the Finals twice is a major, major accomplishment. McGrady is an interesting player. The thing about T-Mac was that he toed a very fine line between dominance and "just really good". I don't blame him for his playoff losses because like you said - some of the teams he dragged to the playoffs were ridiculous. His bad shooting habits caught up with him at times, but he didn't have a dominant team around him all the time to withstand the mistakes. Interestingly enough in the mid 2000s if you called McGrady better than Kobe not many people would argue. On February 16 2012 03:49 rei wrote: maybe asshole is little too strong of a word, but i felt that ppl like Rose has the skills to not charge into ppl and initiate contact in order to get a foul call. It is too cheap for someone as skilled as he is, not to mention he's risking injury every time. I hardly ever see Kobe does that kind of bullshit. Rose doesn't really charge into people though. He's widely known for his absurd body control and early on in his career actively avoided contact. Also truth be told - a lot of superstars get fouled a whole lot more than you realize. If the refs indeed called every foul you would be even more upset  Kobe doesn't seem to do it because he isn't attacking the basket much because he's in his 16th season. Now, if you watch Kobe all the way up to 2007 you'll see it. | ||
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