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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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Mashes
Canada441 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:17 Scrandom wrote: I am so mad at the Canucks for trading hodgson, not his fault vigneault hates certain players and gives them no icetime and puts a should be first liner on the third line So you'd play him in on the right-wing on the top line? | ||
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Quenchiest
Canada286 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:17 Scrandom wrote: I am so mad at the Canucks for trading hodgson, not his fault vigneault hates certain players and gives them no icetime and puts a should be first liner on the third line So where do you play someone that's clearly a natural center in the top 6 on the Canucks? He's not going to replace Hank or Kesler anytime soon. There's no doubt that Hodgson would have (and still will) continued to become a better player, but with the Canucks he'd be stuck on the 3rd line for a long time. I don't think the Canucks (or Hodgson for that matter) wanted that to be the long term solution. Sure, he's playing solid on the 3rd line and them trading him kills a bit of the Canucks identity, but in the long term Kassian is more the sort of player they want on the third line, and with Pahlsson coming in Hodgson was probably going to get the short end come playoffs anyway. They're also thinking even further ahead to the Summer when they are likely to move Schneider for another major piece. I liked the guy, and I'm sad to see him go, but the trade does make some sense. Overall I like it, but time will tell how it really turned out. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:17 Scrandom wrote: I am so mad at the Canucks for trading hodgson, not his fault vigneault hates certain players and gives them no icetime and puts a should be first liner on the third line Yeah, he should have replaced Henrik on the top line. That makes sense. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27173 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:48 Quenchiest wrote: So where do you play someone that's clearly a natural center in the top 6 on the Canucks? He's not going to replace Hank or Kesler anytime soon. There's no doubt that Hodgson would have (and still will) continued to become a better player, but with the Canucks he'd be stuck on the 3rd line for a long time. I don't think the Canucks (or Hodgson for that matter) wanted that to be the long term solution. Sure, he's playing solid on the 3rd line and them trading him kills a bit of the Canucks identity, but in the long term Kassian is more the sort of player they want on the third line, and with Pahlsson coming in Hodgson was probably going to get the short end come playoffs anyway. They're also thinking even further ahead to the Summer when they are likely to move Schneider for another major piece. I liked the guy, and I'm sad to see him go, but the trade does make some sense. Overall I like it, but time will tell how it really turned out. What happens in the playoffs if someone gets hurt? Last year Kesler was a shadow in the finals because of his hip. Hodgson is your insurance. It is the same reason you don't trade Schneider until the draft. And even if Kassian is the kind of guy you want on your third line, you don't trade a top-6 forward, and potential first line guy, to get him. Fucking awful. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32132 Posts
They traded a rising star who was on a hot streak for unprovent talent and an average dman. If they held out they could have had a lot more On February 28 2012 08:58 Manifesto7 wrote: What happens in the playoffs if someone gets hurt? Last year Kesler was a shadow in the finals because of his hip. Hodgson is your insurance. It is the same reason you don't trade Schneider until the draft. And even if Kassian is the kind of guy you want on your third line, you don't trade a top-6 forward, and potential first line guy, to get him. Fucking awful. Yep this exactly poor asset management. Shoehorn him in whereever and flip him at the draft if that's really the game plan. The word on Kassian is big but not as physical as you'd think for someone of that size, and lacking passion. Steve Bernier 2.0! | ||
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Castrophy
United States232 Posts
As for Kassian he shows a lot of potential but I don't think it was the best move for you guys at this moment. I think the sole reason it was done was to try and match some of the toughness of Boston while still retaining a bit of skill and not going for an all out tough guy. Also can anyone shed any light on Sulzer. I'm not expecting much but I was wondering if he could play in the NHL at this very moment as our 6th defensemen (Weber) has been really shaky all year. The people of Buffalo are excited though as Hodgson talk has been nonstop since the trade happened. And finally I feel like I can honostly say ,although I do have a fair amount of bias, the Sabres did the best in the NHL on deadline day. Still can't believe we got a first round pick for Gaustad. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:58 Hawk wrote: He was definitely back logged with the talent at center, but I think that would have been a better temporary solution if AV really wanted phalsson centering the third than essentially giving away a talented top six center for an average defender and a winger who at best is a project with some upside. They traded a rising star who was on a hot streak for unprovent talent and an average dman. If they held out they could have had a lot more Yep this exactly poor asset management. Shoehorn him in whereever and flip him at the draft if that's really the game plan. The word on Kassian is big but not as physical as you'd think for someone of that size, and lacking passion. Steve Bernier 2.0! Your assessment of Kassian is just... terrible. I've seen this kid play probably 100+ games in the last four five years. Dude plays like a bull in a china shop, pretty much balls to the wall all game long. Wins puck battles, throws his weight around, takes pucks to hard areas. In the very least he is Raffi Torres without attitude problems and drug issues, at best he is a Nathan Horton/Milan Lucic who is a legitimate threat offensively, defensively, and physically. That said, he likely tops out as a second line ~40 point guy. He is definitely a good player and good prospect, but I think the Canucks got taken behind the garden shed here. | ||
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StarStruck
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canucks12
Canada812 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:14 Castrophy wrote: For you Canuck fans Gragnani was one of my favorite players. The kid is gifted with the puck and makes a lot of really great passing plays. Although this somtimes gets him in trouble when he gets a bit to ambitious and turns the puck over. Also his defensive game isn't the greatest and it will be interesting to see how he handles the speed of the western game. Overall I think he is a smart hockey player with a good puck sense and should help you guys with depth and maybe in the playoffs. As for Kassian he shows a lot of potential but I don't think it was the best move for you guys at this moment. I think the sole reason it was done was to try and match some of the toughness of Boston while still retaining a bit of skill and not going for an all out tough guy. Also can anyone shed any light on Sulzer. I'm not expecting much but I was wondering if he could play in the NHL at this very moment as our 6th defensemen (Weber) has been really shaky all year. The people of Buffalo are excited though as Hodgson talk has been nonstop since the trade happened. And finally I feel like I can honostly say ,although I do have a fair amount of bias, the Sabres did the best in the NHL on deadline day. Still can't believe we got a first round pick for Gaustad. Gragnani is a plus player on a fairly negative team. Sulzer is a little bit shaky, but I don't really feel that Vancouver had any room to really even test him fairly. Sulzer was the team's 9th defence man in like, but was being played for salary cap reasons. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27173 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:14 Castrophy wrote: Also can anyone shed any light on Sulzer. I'm not expecting much but I was wondering if he could play in the NHL at this very moment as our 6th defensemen (Weber) has been really shaky all year. The people of Buffalo are excited though as Hodgson talk has been nonstop since the trade happened. Re Sulzer, I will quote puck daddy: "Sulzer is a defenseman." He has played a handful of games this year and left me with no impression whatsoever. For a team like the Canucks that is probably a good thing. In Buffalo he will be exposed as either good or bad I think. On February 28 2012 09:28 GolemMadness wrote: Sulzer will one day develop into a star defenseman. What makes you say this? Other than the fact that the Canucks traded him, so obviously he will immediately exceed expectations. | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:29 Manifesto7 wrote: Re Sulzer, I will quote puck daddy: "Sulzer is a defenseman." He has played a handful of games this year and left me with no impression whatsoever. For a team like the Canucks that is probably a good thing. In Buffalo he will be exposed as either good or bad I think. What makes you say this? Other than the fact that the Canucks traded him, so obviously he will immediately exceed expectations. I'd be more worried about Hodgson, this could very well be the second coming of the Neely Trade. As an Oilers fan, and someone who has liked Kassian for a long long time, I still really don't like Kassian being a Canuck. Feels dirty to me. | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:39 Mashes wrote: So you'd play him in on the right-wing on the top line? He played right wing in the u20 tournamet, AND on the 2nd line with Kesler for a bit. Not to mention he did play with the Sedins a bit after PK's and they made amazing chances. I don't get why we traded Hodgson for Kassian when we have FUCKING JENSEN who's a Power Forward as well. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:57 RezChi wrote: He played right wing in the u20 tournamet, AND on the 2nd line with Kesler for a bit. Not to mention he did play with the Sedins a bit after PK's and they made amazing chances. I don't get why we traded Hodgson for Kassian when we have FUCKING JENSEN who's a Power Forward as well. He actually played played LW, Tavares was Ceneter and Eberle was RW.  | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:17 iCanada wrote: He actually played played LW, Tavares was Ceneter and Eberle was RW. LW, RW same shiet = P I thought right handed shoot people play on the right side O_O | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:19 RezChi wrote: LW, RW same shiet = P I thought right handed shoot people play on the right side O_O Yeah, but Eberle played RW, so they put Hodgson on Left Wing because he was gonna be on his off-position anyway. Why make both of them play their offwing? | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:28 iCanada wrote: Yeah, but Eberle played RW, so they put Hodgson on Left Wing because he was gonna be on his off-position anyway. Why make both of them play their offwing? Because Hodgson is the shit. Just kidding. But he did score the most points xD PS. Fuck you Gillis. | ||
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GreenManalishi
Canada834 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:40 RezChi wrote: Mike Gillis is fucking retarded. Straight up stupid. Mike Gillis has scouting reports and a hell of a lot more information then we do. I think this is a trade that is going to take time to see who the winners and losers are. As someone that has followed Hodgeson's careers since before he was drafted I'm pretty upset to see him go, but I am going to give GMMG the benefit of the doubt here. Gillis hasn't made any serious errors since becoming GM, and has made some of the best moves in the NHL, I would be very surprised if this deal is as bad as your making it out to be. | ||
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