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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On May 09 2012 01:31 Zhiroo wrote: You mean those below 2nd and 3rd place like Athletic Bilbao that beat 2nd place of EPL in Europa League?  Now now, if you keep going like that sc4k will tell you that you have no class. Be careful, xP. Also why are we arguing, the best league took the award and that league was the spanish one. | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
On May 09 2012 00:19 Kotreb wrote: it would be interesting to see spanish and english teams duke it out in one tournament, but those below 2nd, 3rd place... Being english its sad to admit i think spain would win this tournament.. They would win because any Spanish vs English game would require a european ref so we would be playing under european rules and not the rules of the premier league which would mean its a strictly non contact sport and your not allowed to tackle in any shape or form...  | ||
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 09 2012 01:24 sc4k wrote: Right back at you, 95% of views you express are completely subjective too. Actually not really. Im going with what the ratings have to say about it. I think they are pretty accurate. I watch more PL than La Liga, mostly because of time constraints and availability I have never used the a tone that expresses the idea " I like this so its better" if. I have I was wrong. Ofc the problem is not subjectivity the problem is ignoring other things in view of not having information and hence assuming you are right. That having been said I pointed out way before this wagon got started that you guys raise the same points everytime and I linked it lol. And you never get anywhere so taking what the people in charge of doing it is the best available measure. But people cant seem to stand that and as Sated mentioned bring up ridiculous metrics like viewership, style of play , style of referees, points between 2nd and 3rd , 5 and 6th. 4th and 9th which is pretty stupid since it doesnt contribute in any way reasonable. La Liga took it, deal with it. Although why it should bother anyone is beyond me. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
On May 09 2012 01:35 Lyter wrote: Why are people still having this discussion? It is quite possibly the most tedious, fruitless, waste of time of a football argument I have ever heard and that's saying a lot Heres a great discussion for you all, Post the best and worse kit of your home team. Man utd Worst: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://images.productserve.com/preview/974/127509018.jpg) Best: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2jCR1mqjvIw/TKqQ-Z6g1oI/AAAAAAAAAL8/QwJVhdXWHps/s1600/Season+96-97.jpg) (the one in red) | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On May 09 2012 01:35 Lyter wrote: Why are people still having this discussion? It is quite possibly the most tedious, fruitless, waste of time of a football argument I have ever heard and that's saying a lot Good question. Personally I am doing it because I have exams to prepare for and procrastination is easier than working. I wonder what everyone else's reason for engaging in such fruitless debates. When it comes down to the end for me it's just all about which league provides the more fun games to watch, I find the PL is my best then Serie A. Everyone else just has a different flavour which they prefer. It's also annoying when people like steveling and rebs go on like they have objective answers to subjective questions. On May 09 2012 01:31 Zhiroo wrote: You mean those below 2nd and 3rd place like Athletic Bilbao that beat 2nd place of EPL in Europa League? Meh I still don't think they were trying very hard, not even sure they wanted to go further in the europa league. Man U barely tried vs Ajax. Stoke gave Valencia a run for their money and they are 14th currently. Chelsea beat Barca as said above and we all know that was essentially a fluke + a lot of guts. Just don't think these games are very indicative of any of the teams' capabilities, for the mass of random extra reasons there will be that explain the results. | ||
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
On May 09 2012 01:34 Steveling wrote: Now now, if you keep going like that sc4k will tell you that you have no class. Be careful, xP. Also why are we arguing, the best league took the award and that league was the spanish one. The team in 6th place in the Premier League took out what is supposed to be one of the best teams ever (some fans will even call it the best ever). I don't see how that's a winning argument. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
While it may be a subjective argument, the answer has to be an objective one or atleast as objective as possible which is a bit catch 22. Thats why theres no way to avoid getting your panties in a twist if your league seems to not get the tip of the hat sorry. Again they said it was La Liga, deal with it. (whoever it was). | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On May 09 2012 01:41 La1 wrote: Heres a great discussion for you all, Post the best and worse kit of your home team. Haha. Funny. Can I have one that is both the best and worst kit of all time? My first Chelsea kit as well too haha. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.retrofootballshirts.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/chels-3.jpg) I'm also a massive fan of our new kit simply because of the gold and the general lack of anything else to get in the way of the lovely blue  + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/New-Chelsea-Kit.jpg) To be honest I find it hard to find a chelsea kit I ever really hated although I think this one is quite crap...combination of shitty things: retarded criss cross, tiny logo, RED logo (yuck always hate red on blue), random period blood lining on the collar...really looks like it should be worn by 2nd league side lol + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7186/cfc8789.png) | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
On May 09 2012 01:48 Sated wrote: @La1 Whaaaaaaat? So incorrect. First of all, the worst kit has to be the one that we had to change out of half-way through a game because it was so shit (or so Fergie would have us believe): The best kit? I shouldn't have to say much about this kit, except that it has the most epic promotional photo ever. I wish I still had my own from when I was young, but my mum gave it to a charity shop when I grew out of it. I had a certain number 7 on the back of it and everything! The newton heath kit is amazing, I actually love this kit also and its defo in my top 3.. as for the worst kit.. i thought about that one but i went and brought it because its cool :D so i can't have it as my worst kit! Did you know that kits record is w1 d1 l4 ? -=] Also that chelsea kit is god awful.. one of the worst ever | ||
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bObaZ
Portugal862 Posts
On May 09 2012 01:42 Megatronn wrote: The team in 6th place in the Premier League took out what is supposed to be one of the best teams ever (some fans will even call it the best ever). I don't see how that's a winning argument. I know you like Benfica, but calling it one of the best teams ever (kidding, i know you're talking about Barcelona, and i know you're a Porto fan ) | ||
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://scrapingthebarrell.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/bcfc92.jpg) *cringe* and my favourite is from just last season, i like it a lot + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.epltalk.com/media/2010/05/birmingham-city-home-kit.jpg) | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Players you most hope that your team can bring in + Players that you hope you get rid of For me I hope we can bring in Eden Hazard to balance out Ramires. I don't like Mata on the left wing, prefer him more central. I hope we can also bring in a good striker to fit into the Drogba mould until Lukaku is ready to step up, for example Cavani or Falcao for maybe 30 mil but failing that I would like for us to bring in a good young prospect like Andre Schurrle maybe 16 mil or poach Moussa Dembele from Fulham (to go with lukaku and de bruyne haha) although I think other clubs are more desperate to get him. Of course I still would love for us to bring in Modric but who knows . Also I really like seydou doumbia and if we for some reason bought him off moscow he could partner didier :D. He would be able to keep up with Ramires and Sturridge for sure.I would like us to get rid of David Luiz for good money to Barcelona to be honest! He just doesn't fit the Chelsea playstyle, even if he is useful for defending against skill players he would be a better fit in other teams and we could probably get a healthy sum for him. I remain unimpressed by Malouda and Kalou, although I don't know how much we could get for them. The same goes for Meireles. Oh yeah, and I really would prefer to see torres sold on for 35+ mil but haha...I don't think we could get 10 for him!! | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On May 09 2012 01:48 Sated wrote: As a goalkeeper, I should give an honourable mention to this: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/customphp/gifthumb.php?img=http://media.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/0dc2d03fe217f8c83829496872af24a0/i/m/image_10064_1_1_1.gif&w=265&h=265) As worn by the best goalkeeper who ever lived. Buffon never played for Manchester United. O_o | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 09 2012 00:44 Rebs wrote: I cant be bothered at this point so Ill leave it with this. If you wished to suggest the competitiveness of leagues pointing out former winners wasnt an argument you can make. The number of different winners over the last 2 decades is roughly the same. The only teams that have had a chance against the United juggernaut in this decade has been Arsenal for a bit and then a bunch of teams with money thrown at them like its nobodies business. We know at the moment EPL is more competitive no one is even arguing that changing your tune to semantics is embarrasing. Dont do it. Why would you respond with an argument about competitiveness which supposedly has nothing (to do with superiority according to you) to someone who is making claims of superiority by counting out the number of winners. The tree did start of with which league got voted the best after all. Ofcourse the idiot who made that google claim was ignoreworthy. But seemingly not. Seems pretty strawman to me. But whatever I dont care. Anyway your Blackburn statement was painfull unclear. It could mean either thing. It has nothing to do with my understanding of the english language and your usual response of hiding behind semantics everytime you say something silly.If you had meant it that way you shouldve been more specific. Regardess it was a pretty moot point to begin with you harped on it first not me. On May 09 2012 00:18 Pandemona wrote: + Show Spoiler + This and Viewing figures is how i determine the best league in the world, if you have viewing figures via gate receipts and world wide audiences then that is wat determines which league is the most successful imo. Anyone care to find Spanish version? On May 09 2012 00:44 Rebs wrote: This is nothing more than a popularity contest argument. The ignorance here is almost revolting. Please dont clutch at anything and everything. You could write a paper (and people have) on why those figures have absolutely 0 to do with the quality of the league. + Show Spoiler + On May 09 2012 00:28 sc4k wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 09 2012 00:06 Steveling wrote: Really now? Do you happen to remember Sevilla and the fantastic football they played for 3 seasons with 2 Uefa Cups? Espanol went to a Uefa final 5 years ago. Villareal were a breath away from eliminating Arsenal in the CL semis with the great Riquelme. Fulham, everton, stoke? Your views just blow my mind away. I used the present tense, referring to the quality of the teams right now. All of the teams I mentioned have good prospects and are coming along with good young players (especially fulham they could be amazing) and I'm just not convinced that the Spanish league is going to pan out in the next few years to have much development in that level of teams. Doesn't help with the ludicrous split of TV rights and other assorted money which goes to Barca/ Real vs everyone else. I know from the way that you talk that you are a fanboy of la liga and barcelona especially, seems like you watch way more liga then prem. I watch way more prem than liga simply because I enjoy some physical aspects to football and also I like good keepers (which seem to be absent from most liga teams) because then it feels like when people score goals they are 'worth it'. It makes me laugh that atletico's keeper who is currently one of the better keepers in la liga is actually a chelsea reserve. Ali Al Habsi is as good as basically every keeper minus casillas and valdes, and he just plays for Wigan. I also enjoy the fact that when any of the top teams come to a lower ranked team in the prem there is a genuine chance of loss, whether it just feels pointless to watch Barca/ Real v anyone below the 6th rank. Although I'll admit the best game for me in this liga season was 2-3 barca v osasuna, reminiscent of the 2-3 man u v blackburn. PS Steveling plz argue your point with a little more class and less random insults. On May 09 2012 00:19 Kotreb wrote: it would be interesting to see spanish and english teams duke it out in one tournament, but those below 2nd, 3rd place... I said it a long time ago that if you have 1st place v 1st place, 2nd place v 2nd place, etc, prem > la liga and it would probably be 15-5. I hate people talking about athletic's games v man city and man u, you really can't be sure they wanted to win those matches, coming first in the prem is an infinitely more important prize than moving up in the europa league. The majority of these views are completely subjective that can be simplified to "I like this therefore.." Impossible to take seriously. I dont see why its so hard to take what Drone posted as reasonable and bury it. It seems the most reasonable state of affairs to me. Ive made the cyclical nature of league quality for ages now and even in the link I posted earlier. The fact that is falls on deaf ears is disappointing. Why did you post like that? Sometimes i wonder if you are an intelligent man or not Rebs. I was merely stating facts, as in the only facts you should consider in what "league" is the best is by viewing figures, gate receipts and how much money they are given in prize money. The more people who watch the teams mean the more players they can pay and more turnover they can make. More people watching them on TV means the TV stations have to pay more money to get the licenses, which = more prize money. Thus the reason Premiership has 60-40million prize fun is due to the TV rights from Sky Sports. That is what im adding to the debate, and what i would consider the best league is on that basis of having the highest average gate receipts/attendances through out the league, the highest paying prizes in the league positions and how many people watch the games through out the league on TV around the world. Your point you just made is silly and is more a clutching at straws than my post. I happily watch Real and Barca most weeks when i can, but it does not mean that there league is better, i dont care about any other league than the league Chelsea is in, as i just want my club to win all there games all the time, i just like watching football when im not watching Chelsea. If theres a match anywhere in the world that interests me i will watch it, whether its Real vs Valencia or Wigan vs Blackburn i dont care, if im interested in it i watch it. | ||
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uberMatt
Canada659 Posts
On May 09 2012 01:35 Lyter wrote: Why are people still having this discussion? It is quite possibly the most tedious, fruitless, waste of time of a football argument I have ever heard and that's saying a lot a million times this so fucking boring | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28712 Posts
however, how good teams from a particular league are will certainly be reflected by how those teams perform in games vs other teams from other leagues. I don't see why there's need for other metrics than the uefa coefficient- it compares performances in european leagues over a 5 year time-span from every team involved from different leagues. The only possible point of contention is that it's a little slow to notice changes (as it records games over a 5 year period) - but this only means that in reality, La Liga overtook EPL as the best league somewhere between 1 and 3 years ago. | ||
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