EPTseems like nba really wants a celtics-heat game 7
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
seems like nba really wants a celtics-heat game 7 | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
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ilikejokes
United States217 Posts
When you let yourself get fat and slow when you should be getting better yeah it knocks you down a few places. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 10 2011 09:49 Hrrrrm wrote: LMAO Davis flopping when Bibby wrapped him up was simply amazing. He looked like he got shot in the back. Yeah, I liked the acting on the ground at the end, before he popped back up perfectly normal. Top 10 lists for the history of the NBA is kind of silly. The sample size is just so big, of course there's going to be some disputes when you look at the top .000000000000000001% ever. | ||
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city42
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On May 10 2011 09:23 travis wrote: umm... no, lol. who said it was anything that extreme? I am just saying that in competitive sports the competition gets more fierce as time goes on, for the exact reason I said. are you going to argue this isn't the case? and actually I do think there are probably many active baseball players who are better than babe ruth. but thousands? lol Yes, thousands. Every active professional baseball player is physically superior to every player from the 1920s (and it's not even close). 30 MLB teams with a roster size of 25 = 750 then you have AAA, AA, A+, and A. That's thousands of players just among the active pool. except for they weren't introduced to modern diet/sports medicine and im not comparing what a man could hypothetically be im comparing what they actually are and do. However, if you are just trying to say that it's my view on it that is flawed and that how good a player is is only based on how well he fares vs his given competition then I can respect that, though I disagree with it. (you think there will ever be a player as dominant as wilt chamberlain was? of course not. now why is that?) I think your view is obviously true. Every generation learns from the previous generation, so they automatically start with a better foundation and then continue to build from there. However, thinking like that makes comparing players across eras impossible, which is why every respectable ranking will look at what players did against their peers. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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Jordan Shaq Kareem Magic Kobe Bird Duncan Olajuwon Russell i am not sure who to put at number 10... I really have trouble picking old old school players because I have trouble believing they'd really shine today like they did back then. screw it, i'll just piss people off and say allen iverson #10 On May 10 2011 09:52 Jibba wrote: Yeah, I liked the acting on the ground at the end, before he popped back up perfectly normal. Top 10 lists for the history of the NBA is kind of silly. The sample size is just so big, of course there's going to be some disputes when you look at the top .000000000000000001% ever. silly, but fun | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On May 10 2011 09:54 city42 wrote: Yes, thousands. Every active professional baseball player is physically superior to every player from the 1920s (and it's not even close). 30 MLB teams with a roster size of 25 = 750 then you have AAA, AA, A+, and A. That's thousands of players just among the active pool. I think your view is obviously true. Every generation learns from the previous generation, so they automatically start with a better foundation and then continue to build from there. However, thinking like that makes comparing players across eras impossible, which is why every respectable ranking will look at what players did against their peers. ok maaaaaybe thousands but it's hard to say if just being physically superior would have a big enough effect in a game of skill (though I couldn't argue either way) | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
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VENDIZ
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On May 10 2011 09:56 travis wrote: ok maaaaaybe thousands but it's hard to say if just being physically superior would have a big enough effect in a game of skill (though I couldn't argue either way) I think it really depends on sport and position. I think the situation that it is obvious in is someone like wilt who physically dominated in an era of smaller, weaker slower players, or someone like shaq or lebron who are physically dominant in this era. There has to be a mix of the two for any sort of real comparison to take place. Someone as statistically dominant as wilt will never happen again due to talent and physical parity now, or the championships of russell due to free agency and lack of true super teams. | ||
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fadestep
United States605 Posts
On May 10 2011 10:06 Kibibit wrote: Hmm, I'm slowly trying to edge back into watching the NBA now that being injured and unable to play myself will soon be fixed. It's been about 2 years, Holy crap, how did Dallas smash the Lakers the way they did with no major changes in the roster? Did someone on the team break out? some sort of meshing that wasn't going on around before? I'm genuinely interested. Bryant is the only genuine talent on that team is the easy answer. They don't have a single point guard on that team who deserves to start for an NBA team, never mind a championship contender. Their two biggest forces in the paint have both shown themselves to be soft/able to get taken out of the picture (Bynum and Gasol). Kobe Bryant is hands down one of the greatest players to ever touch the game, and he carried them through a few seasons. He just can't quite do it anymore. | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On May 10 2011 10:06 Kibibit wrote: Hmm, I'm slowly trying to edge back into watching the NBA now that being injured and unable to play myself will soon be fixed. It's been about 2 years, Holy crap, how did Dallas smash the Lakers the way they did with no major changes in the roster? Did someone on the team break out? some sort of meshing that wasn't going on around before? I'm genuinely interested. La collapsed and dallas was playing really well. Kobe was not kobe and looked old slow and weak in the series(ankle injury but still) as well as not closing. Pau did the soft pau and dissapeared and la's role players were non existent. Also bynum probably gone after making trust issue comments at the beginning of the series and then taking a cheap shot late and ripping off his jersey as soon as he was ejected. The lakers in the current iteration are done and they are looking at some serious rebuilding. I've never been a big kobe fan but watching this series makes me kind of sad it looks like his career is fading rather quickly. | ||
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fadestep
United States605 Posts
Otherwise you are judging them based on modern opponents with out of date training. For instance, sure, Wilt wouldn't be as dominant against today's centers - but imagine if he had the training that today's centers do. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 10 2011 10:13 fadestep wrote: Bryant is the only genuine talent on that team is the easy answer. They don't have a single point guard on that team who deserves to start for an NBA team, never mind a championship contender. Their two biggest forces in the paint have both shown themselves to be soft/able to get taken out of the picture (Bynum and Gasol). Kobe Bryant is hands down one of the greatest players to ever touch the game, and he carried them through a few seasons. He just can't quite do it anymore. I hate hearing this shit from laker's fans bryant got carried in the finals with the same roster they have now, and bryant's performance was just as awful | ||
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Ace
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On May 10 2011 10:15 fadestep wrote: I hate comparing players from different eras. If you are going to judge them based on the fact that their competition wasn't as good you also have to pretend that they had the same training and breadth of knowledge that modern players do. Otherwise you are judging them based on modern opponents with out of date training. For instance, sure, Wilt wouldn't be as dominant against today's centers - but imagine if he had the training that today's centers do. Even with today's training i see him falling somewhere in between ewing and dwight howard. Judging players from different era's is always a slippery slope. Even from the 80s to the late 90s is it fair to compare scoring since the scoring average of the league was down 20-25 percent? There are very few cases where there is one logical answer when comparing stuff like that. The only blatant case i can really think of is gretzky. | ||
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Z3kk
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On May 10 2011 10:21 Ace wrote: Did anyone catch when KG snuffed Lebron coming down the court? Refs looked right at it and didn't call anything hahaha. Yeah it was pretty blatant. :/ | ||
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fadestep
United States605 Posts
On May 10 2011 10:20 Itsmedudeman wrote: I hate hearing this shit from laker's fans bryant got carried in the finals with the same roster they have now, and bryant's performance was just as awful I hate the Lakers, I'm a diehard Celtics fan. | ||
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