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On May 03 2011 23:12 Roffles wrote:
Don't know why Rose even attempts to play any D down 8 as the clock is ticking down to 0.
Carlos Loozer better show up for the Bulls, cause he's been pretty useless. Deng had a good day offensively, but he's just too slow to guard Joe Johnson. If Bogans/Brewer can't keep Joe at bay, they might as well give Korver more minutes to fight fire with fire. If you can't stop em, try to outscore em I guess.
But there probably won't be more days where Joe Johnson shoots 5/5 from the 3 point line or where Rose gets 0 FTs. Refs were pretty consistent, so you can't really blame em. Plus, I thought Rose settled a lot for 3s and long jumpers when he could have driven it. Sure, you can chalk it up to refs not giving the call all night on either side or the fact that he still might not have 100% confidence in that ankle, but he looked fine and it doesn't excuse him from chuckin 3s all night long.
PS: If the Hawks benched Josh Smith, they woulda ran away with the game. That guy still plays like a complete moron.
Clear eyes, full hearts! Effort all the way.. even though it was no point in trying after they didn't foul with 35 seconds left..
Boozer is.. OK, I guess? I'd rather have him on the floor than Taj Gibson, even though Taj is a million times better on defense.. Taj rarely produces on the offense, and we're already somewhat shaky on that end. However, I fully agree that it's disappointing to see Booz go from a season avg. of 18ppg & 11.5 rpg to 12 ppg & 9 rpg in the playoffs..
I think Deng, Bogans & Brewer all are fit to defend Joe, he just had "that game" where everything falls, and like you said - it won't happen again for quite some time. I like the idea of giving Korver more time if Joe is hitting everything anyhow, besides, Korver isn't the worst defender in the series anyway ;p
And yeah.. like I also said a couple of pages back, you won't see Rose go through a game with 0 FT-A's, I think we'll see him drive to the basket like crazy on Wednesday.. At least that's what I'm hoping for ;p
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Loozer's pretty good in the PnR, but the Bulls almost never run that. Rose doesn't seem to ever use the pick. Loozer was a pretty efficient 20/10 player back in the PnR offense with Deron Williams.
But yeah, JJ was on fire the entire game, and if that happens, there's really not much you can do about it. If he keeps playing this way for the rest of the playoffs, he "might" be worth that 120 million they paid him. The Hawks have come a long way from that 8 seeded team that took the Celtics to 7. No more Mike Woodson, less iso basketball (still a ton though), but it seems like the effort is there this year. More organized play, better coaching, players playing with some heart it seems like. I've never seen the Hawks this motivated in years.
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On May 04 2011 00:10 KOFgokuon wrote:
GO GRIZZLIES TONIGHT
Finally another Grizzlies fan on team liquid. I was surprised at how well they did against the Thunder. With the Thunder having Ibaka and Perkins I was pretty sure they would be able to easily shutdown Randolph and Gasol.
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I am not worried for Bulls, they are still better than Hawks and will eventually shake of and play like they can play.
Lakers however...wow they have moments of brilliance but its all too rare now. Kobe hucking down 20 foot jumpers = bad. Only reason Hornets took 2 games against Lakers is because CP3 played god mode on their asses, otherwise they cant win.
Mavs however dont need such drastic performance to beat them. They look perfectly capable of killing them outright.
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Lakers wow. Good job losing that one guys. I hope the Mavs can close this series 4-0 but playing the lakers i know thats close to impossible but hey.. they should try! Lets go mavs yeaaaaaaaah
Also cmon celtics.. Lets get our shit together and beat somebody.
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On May 03 2011 23:12 Roffles wrote:
Don't know why Rose even attempts to play any D down 8 as the clock is ticking down to 0.
Carlos Loozer better show up for the Bulls, cause he's been pretty useless. Deng had a good day offensively, but he's just too slow to guard Joe Johnson. If Bogans/Brewer can't keep Joe at bay, they might as well give Korver more minutes to fight fire with fire. If you can't stop em, try to outscore em I guess.
But there probably won't be more days where Joe Johnson shoots 5/5 from the 3 point line or where Rose gets 0 FTs. Refs were pretty consistent, so you can't really blame em. Plus, I thought Rose settled a lot for 3s and long jumpers when he could have driven it. Sure, you can chalk it up to refs not giving the call all night on either side or the fact that he still might not have 100% confidence in that ankle, but he looked fine and it doesn't excuse him from chuckin 3s all night long. Thought Teague did a pretty good job on Rose, making him feel uncomfortable, and the help doubles also did a decent job keeping him out of the paint.
Everyone keeps saying the Bulls have a good matchup on paper, but I don't really see it. Sure they have good matchup at PG, but they almost always do. I just think the Hawks match up well inside with Horford on Noah, and it seems like Horford always outplays Noah pretty much every time. The Bulls crush most teams because of their interior rebounding advantage, even when they go to the bench with Asik, but the Hawks have the size inside, can go to Collins/Pachulia while keeping Horford/Smith at PF to matchup with Boozer and Noah. They kept the Bulls at check on the boards, which was a key factor to winning.
The keys to winning the game on each side will be if they can keep the opposition backcourt in check. The Hawks did a good job on Rose, whereas Joe and Jamal got every shot they wanted. Bogans too small, Deng too slow, Brewer not as efficient either. When Joe Johnson's on top of his game, he'll put up nights like these. He might not make almost every shot like he did tonight, but he'll find different ways to beat you. No one can stop Jamal Crawford. That guy chucks all day. You just gotta hope it doesn't go in.
Also, if the Hawks benched Josh Smith, they woulda ran away with the game. That guy still plays like a complete moron. Lowest BBIQ in the game. Worst shot selection in the game.
If you watched ATL vs Chicago this year on paper and on the court Chicago destroys them. Smith and Horford are good but they could never out rebound Boozer/Noah and the Chicago's bench.
Part of the reason Boozer isn't as effective is because well, Derrick Rose isn't Deron Williams and it's their first season together. They'll be more in sync next year. I'm somewhat amazed you didn't call Rose out on another shitty shooting performance. 11/27 while Boozer went 6/11. More fault here with Rose than Boozer.
As for the Lakers...Kobe. Smh. Pau and Odom both had double doubles on 50% shooting but Kobe took 29 shots...0 assists.
Either way I'm done talking about why your FG% and overall game impact matters more than how many points you score.
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On May 04 2011 00:18 manicsquare wrote:Finally another Grizzlies fan on team liquid. I was surprised at how well they did against the Thunder. With the Thunder having Ibaka and Perkins I was pretty sure they would be able to easily shutdown Randolph and Gasol.
oh, i'm not really a grizzlies fan, but i'm on the bandwagon, just like I was on the KAW KAW KAW bandwagon a couple of years ago, and the golden state bandwagon a year before that. I root for the 76ers, but I love Cinderella stories
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On May 04 2011 00:30 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 23:12 Roffles wrote:
Don't know why Rose even attempts to play any D down 8 as the clock is ticking down to 0.
Carlos Loozer better show up for the Bulls, cause he's been pretty useless. Deng had a good day offensively, but he's just too slow to guard Joe Johnson. If Bogans/Brewer can't keep Joe at bay, they might as well give Korver more minutes to fight fire with fire. If you can't stop em, try to outscore em I guess.
But there probably won't be more days where Joe Johnson shoots 5/5 from the 3 point line or where Rose gets 0 FTs. Refs were pretty consistent, so you can't really blame em. Plus, I thought Rose settled a lot for 3s and long jumpers when he could have driven it. Sure, you can chalk it up to refs not giving the call all night on either side or the fact that he still might not have 100% confidence in that ankle, but he looked fine and it doesn't excuse him from chuckin 3s all night long. Thought Teague did a pretty good job on Rose, making him feel uncomfortable, and the help doubles also did a decent job keeping him out of the paint.
Everyone keeps saying the Bulls have a good matchup on paper, but I don't really see it. Sure they have good matchup at PG, but they almost always do. I just think the Hawks match up well inside with Horford on Noah, and it seems like Horford always outplays Noah pretty much every time. The Bulls crush most teams because of their interior rebounding advantage, even when they go to the bench with Asik, but the Hawks have the size inside, can go to Collins/Pachulia while keeping Horford/Smith at PF to matchup with Boozer and Noah. They kept the Bulls at check on the boards, which was a key factor to winning.
The keys to winning the game on each side will be if they can keep the opposition backcourt in check. The Hawks did a good job on Rose, whereas Joe and Jamal got every shot they wanted. Bogans too small, Deng too slow, Brewer not as efficient either. When Joe Johnson's on top of his game, he'll put up nights like these. He might not make almost every shot like he did tonight, but he'll find different ways to beat you. No one can stop Jamal Crawford. That guy chucks all day. You just gotta hope it doesn't go in.
Also, if the Hawks benched Josh Smith, they woulda ran away with the game. That guy still plays like a complete moron. Lowest BBIQ in the game. Worst shot selection in the game. If you watched ATL vs Chicago this year on paper and on the court Chicago destroys them. Smith and Horford are good but they could never out rebound Boozer/Noah and the Chicago's bench. Part of the reason Boozer isn't as effective is because well, Derrick Rose isn't Deron Williams and it's their first season together. They'll be more in sync next year. I'm somewhat amazed you didn't call Rose out on another shitty shooting performance. 11/27 while Boozer went 6/11. More fault here with Rose than Boozer. As for the Lakers...Kobe. Smh. Pau and Odom both had double doubles on 50% shooting but Kobe took 29 shots...0 assists. Either way I'm done talking about why your FG% and overall game impact matters more than how many points you score.
Rose is a chucker, just like Westbrook. Chuck all day, miss all day. Don't think he's delivered a game with a FG% higher than 50 the entire playoffs. He's just been more useful than Westbrook in facilitating his team. Westbrook has like 0 court vision. Rose just gets less shit cause he's MVP or whatever you wanna call it.
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The Lakers gave that game away. No excuse for losing a 16-point lead in the third quarter the way that they did. Poor offensive execution led to easy buckets for the Mavs, who were struggling to score all game in the halfcourt outside of Dirk making contested fadeaway jumpers. Artest was a non-factor, and Pau and Bynum missed some buckets they usually make right under the basket. Toss in Kobe chucking up too many jumpers in lieu of attacking the basket (which was working very well when he did), and you have a game that the Lakers should have won going to Dallas.
Dirk did flop a bit on the Gasol foul, but that's Pau's fault for doing something that could result in a foul call in that type of situation. You're up one with 20 seconds to go and you're going to try to contest an inbounds pass by going over Dirk's head? Bonehead play. Kobe falling had more to do with him slipping than anything Kidd did, which is why you didn't see Kobe argue the call very much. That kind of contact is normal playoff defense, and the refs had let both sides get away with it all game.
Don't know why Kobe didn't just shoot the ball on that last drive where he turned the ball over after already getting by Kidd and right to the basket. Sure, Chandler came over, but he was a bit late and the alternative was a blind pass through the middle of the key. The last shot was perplexing too as they had enough time to go to the basket for an easier 2-pointer to tie the game and send it to overtime. Usually it's the road team that goes for the win in those situations, not the home team.
I still think the Lakers will likely take the series as they were simply better than the Mavs when they were playing smart and executing properly on offense. The Mavs, apart from transition resulting from Lakers turnovers and stupid shots and Dirk fadeaways, had very little going on offense. However, if the Lakers keep pulling this BS where they stop executing on offense properly and don't play consistent basketball for the length of the game, they could definitely give this series away to the Mavs.
As for the ATL-CHI series, I have a feeling the Bulls will come back and win the series. Chicago's defense is too good for the Hawks to continue with the great shooting they needed to win Game 1.
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When looking at game 1s look to see what were the "trends" and if they can continue.
Bulls-Hawks: Bull score 0 points in first 5 mins, Hawks shoot over 50%. Both are nearly impossible to continue.
Lakers-Mavs: Dirk Outplays Pau, Tyson Chandler outplays the other Lakers bigs, Lakers commit too many turnovers. A mixed bag, probably only Dirk can continue.
Grizz-Thunder: Grizz bigs dominate, Westbrook forgets what an assist is, Durant is really good in a loss. Another mixed bag.
Heat-Celts: Rondo disappears, Pierce ejected, Wade= Beast, Bosh outplays Garnett.I don't see those trends continuing.
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On May 04 2011 05:09 cLutZ wrote:
When looking at game 1s look to see what were the "trends" and if they can continue.
Bulls-Hawks: Bull score 0 points in first 5 mins, Hawks shoot over 50%. Both are nearly impossible to continue.
Lakers-Mavs: Dirk Outplays Pau, Tyson Chandler outplays the other Lakers bigs, Lakers commit too many turnovers. A mixed bag, probably only Dirk can continue.
Grizz-Thunder: Grizz bigs dominate, Westbrook forgets what an assist is, Durant is really good in a loss. Another mixed bag.
Heat-Celts: Rondo disappears, Pierce ejected, Wade= Beast, Bosh outplays Garnett.I don't see those trends continuing.
Did you not watch Wade last year in the playoffs? That's much more likely than his regular season performance this year.
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On May 04 2011 06:11 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 05:09 cLutZ wrote:
When looking at game 1s look to see what were the "trends" and if they can continue.
Bulls-Hawks: Bull score 0 points in first 5 mins, Hawks shoot over 50%. Both are nearly impossible to continue.
Lakers-Mavs: Dirk Outplays Pau, Tyson Chandler outplays the other Lakers bigs, Lakers commit too many turnovers. A mixed bag, probably only Dirk can continue.
Grizz-Thunder: Grizz bigs dominate, Westbrook forgets what an assist is, Durant is really good in a loss. Another mixed bag.
Heat-Celts: Rondo disappears, Pierce ejected, Wade= Beast, Bosh outplays Garnett.I don't see those trends continuing. Did you not watch Wade last year in the playoffs? That's much more likely than his regular season performance this year.
Good catch, but my point was as an aggregate.
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After watching Atlanta - Chicago, I have to say I'm a Hawks man for that series. Just a bit more better shot selection by Josh Smith and all will be well.
Jeff Teague <3
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On May 04 2011 05:09 cLutZ wrote:
When looking at game 1s look to see what were the "trends" and if they can continue.
Bulls-Hawks: Bull score 0 points in first 5 mins, Hawks shoot over 50%. Both are nearly impossible to continue.
Lakers-Mavs: Dirk Outplays Pau, Tyson Chandler outplays the other Lakers bigs, Lakers commit too many turnovers. A mixed bag, probably only Dirk can continue.
Grizz-Thunder: Grizz bigs dominate, Westbrook forgets what an assist is, Durant is really good in a loss. Another mixed bag.
Heat-Celts: Rondo disappears, Pierce ejected, Wade= Beast, Bosh outplays Garnett.I don't see those trends continuing.
The only problem with your analysis is that it assumes that the opposing teams had nothing to do with it.
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On May 04 2011 07:32 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 05:09 cLutZ wrote:
When looking at game 1s look to see what were the "trends" and if they can continue.
Bulls-Hawks: Bull score 0 points in first 5 mins, Hawks shoot over 50%. Both are nearly impossible to continue.
Lakers-Mavs: Dirk Outplays Pau, Tyson Chandler outplays the other Lakers bigs, Lakers commit too many turnovers. A mixed bag, probably only Dirk can continue.
Grizz-Thunder: Grizz bigs dominate, Westbrook forgets what an assist is, Durant is really good in a loss. Another mixed bag.
Heat-Celts: Rondo disappears, Pierce ejected, Wade= Beast, Bosh outplays Garnett.I don't see those trends continuing. The only problem with your analysis is that it assumes that the opposing teams had nothing to do with it.
I disagree with your assessment of my assessment. Just because I was short and didn't give 10 reasons for each and why I thought each would/wouldn't continue doesn't mean I didn't think about it.
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On May 04 2011 07:45 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 07:32 Jerubaal wrote:On May 04 2011 05:09 cLutZ wrote:
When looking at game 1s look to see what were the "trends" and if they can continue.
Bulls-Hawks: Bull score 0 points in first 5 mins, Hawks shoot over 50%. Both are nearly impossible to continue.
Lakers-Mavs: Dirk Outplays Pau, Tyson Chandler outplays the other Lakers bigs, Lakers commit too many turnovers. A mixed bag, probably only Dirk can continue.
Grizz-Thunder: Grizz bigs dominate, Westbrook forgets what an assist is, Durant is really good in a loss. Another mixed bag.
Heat-Celts: Rondo disappears, Pierce ejected, Wade= Beast, Bosh outplays Garnett.I don't see those trends continuing. The only problem with your analysis is that it assumes that the opposing teams had nothing to do with it. I disagree with your assessment of my assessment. Just because I was short and didn't give 10 reasons for each and why I thought each would/wouldn't continue doesn't mean I didn't think about it.
Perhaps it was I who was too short. At the risk of stating the obvious, very little is in a vacuum, it's a dynamic of the two teams.
The Bulls didn't score for 5 minutes and the Hawks had nothing to do with that? Is it likely that the same thing will occur in the next game? No, but it is likely that they can play good defense again? Most definitely. Rose has already dropped several clunkers this post-season, it's very possible that he drop a few more.
Lakers-Mavs is probably the most dynamic series. It looks like a playground game where one team just picks all of the tallest players. That said,the Mavericks killed the Lakers with superior offensive execution-even with all the no-calls. They passed the ball until they got a layup or an open shot. I won't be surprised if the Lakers come back, but if they lose I won't be like every Laker fan and say 'they just weren't motivated enough'.
Grizz play awesome defense. Zebo is unguardable. Neither of those are going away.
Heat-Celts: Rondo disappears, Pierce ejected, Wade= Beast, Bosh outplays Garnett.I don't see those trends continuing
We've seen all of these before. Bosh was a non-factor- didn't he have like 3 FGs made? The work on KG though was legit defensive presence.
I guess my overall point is that looking at how teams have performed before and then saying 'well they didn't behave like that in this game so it won't continue' doesn't seem reasonable, or there would never be upsets.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see KG pick up a T in the first half of this game. No way he's going to let slide what happen in game 1. I thought the most intense eastern conference matchup would of been CHI v BOS, but I may be second guessing that now.
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On May 04 2011 08:54 tonight wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see KG pick up a T in the first half of this game. No way he's going to let slide what happen in game 1. I thought the most intense eastern conference matchup would of been CHI v BOS, but I may be second guessing that now.
I know. How dare the Heat do to the Celtics what the Celtics do to every other team.
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