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On March 01 2011 09:03 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 08:53 a176 wrote:
i take it some of you have never actually watched felton play with the knicks Whats that have to do with Chauncey being worth 13 million, and being a Finals MVP, and Felton being worth 7 million, and never playing in a playoffs game?
god has posting quality has gone to shit. felton played with charlotte in playoffs just last year (yes, they got whopped by orlando). and yea, chris bosh and lebron signed to about the same amounts, what does that matter?
why do you gotta hate on felton?
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sorry i checked the wrong website on his past, i thought he had played actually but had got swept. Anyways, one playoff series as a PG on a team that loses over not scoring enough points...doesnt really support your point that im hating on Felton. Chauncey is a great point guard, Felton is merely good.
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Billups is a great leader and can hit the big shot. These are qualities that are hard to find and might pay off for NY in the playoffs.
That being said, with the exception of FT and 3pt shooting (and maybe defense?), Felton is the better point guard. Chauncey is in his twilight.
I wish we'd kept him in Toronto.
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Felton is liable to go off for a big game. He's also quicker than Chauncey and is good at getting to the rack. Defensively he is better. Both of them are "pure" point guards in the sense that they run the team well, set up other guys as much as they can and don't make many mistakes.
Of course I'd rather have Felton if I'm the Knicks. Younger and just as good as Chauncey is now.
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Murphy to Celtics.
Danny Ainge certainly wasn't fucking around. Seeing how Cristic showed his value already, with Green in mind and now Murphy - tell me this is worse than hurt Perk with Semih and Harangody.
Even though we all loved Perk the only guy I really feel bad about was Daniels.
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I still think they were better with Perk, but they do have more scoring options now.
I still think the Cs have a massive hole at the 5 without Perk (and increasingly the O'Neals... Don't know if either will play again anytime soon).
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Ya I think the C's have a better offense now, not sure about their D yet, we will have to see. Murphy is kind of an underrated rebounder though so that is a plus for them. They have a more complete team just their defense is in question. I heard they might sign Corey Brewer as well.
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The Celtics must think Perkins' injury situation is likely to be chronic. In the 12 games he played this season, they went 8-4 which included two games against the Lakers and one each against Miami, Orlando, and Dallas. (3-2 in those games) He was a solid rebounder and defender.
They'll need the O'Neals for help inside if they face Orlando or LA Lakers in the playoffs.
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Ya maybe, but if Perkins' injury is chronic I don't know what OKC is thinking by signing him to a 4year extension :o
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Shaq supposed to be back this Wednesday, now they have enough people to let him rest when he needs it and get Shaq ready for playoffs. Jermaine is coming back before playoffs too, that's a fact. Probably will have a couple of weeks to get in shape.
Defensively no one can really substitute Perk, but with 5 future hall-of-famers it isn't as hard to plug the gaps here and there, experience alone on this team is insane enough to win games.
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On March 02 2011 09:27 Signet wrote:
The Celtics must think Perkins' injury situation is likely to be chronic. In the 12 games he played this season, they went 8-4 which included two games against the Lakers and one each against Miami, Orlando, and Dallas. (3-2 in those games) He was a solid rebounder and defender.
They'll need the O'Neals for help inside if they face Orlando or LA Lakers in the playoffs.
There was a suspicion that he injured his left knee because he was taking it easy on his right after the operation, which causes problems. The minutes they needed from him were probably too much for his conditioning, he's out now for 3 weeks and who knows what happens in playoffs. Now Cs got 3-4 guys to play the position (counting Shaq as healthy).
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On March 02 2011 09:27 Signet wrote:
The Celtics must think Perkins' injury situation is likely to be chronic. In the 12 games he played this season, they went 8-4 which included two games against the Lakers and one each against Miami, Orlando, and Dallas. (3-2 in those games) He was a solid rebounder and defender.
They'll need the O'Neals for help inside if they face Orlando or LA Lakers in the playoffs.
That isn't the extent of why the trade was reviled. "Needing" Perkins for LA and Orlando is the wrong way to look at it. When the Celtics have Perkins, every team has to match up with them. If you have a team that relies on slashers and bigs to score then you were screwed. Without Perkins it makes it easier for those teams to have a shot at beating the Celtics.
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On March 02 2011 10:05 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 09:27 Signet wrote:
The Celtics must think Perkins' injury situation is likely to be chronic. In the 12 games he played this season, they went 8-4 which included two games against the Lakers and one each against Miami, Orlando, and Dallas. (3-2 in those games) He was a solid rebounder and defender.
They'll need the O'Neals for help inside if they face Orlando or LA Lakers in the playoffs. That isn't the extent of why the trade was reviled. "Needing" Perkins for LA and Orlando is the wrong way to look at it. When the Celtics have Perkins, every team has to match up with them. If you have a team that relies on slashers and bigs to score then you were screwed. Without Perkins it makes it easier for those teams to have a shot at beating the Celtics.
I understand your point but I believe that this is a planned risk on Ainge's part, with the new CBA coming up and the timely "demise" of the big 3, Perkins was expendable in the sense that he isn't a franchise center or rather hasn't show to be that quality of a center. Throw in his injury and there's cause for concern. Is it a big loss? Sure, but it's not back-breaking by any means, they still almost broke the Lakers in Staples last year without Perkins and with a sub-par Garnett. So if Ainge moves Perkins out for some decent return, it's worth it in the long run for him to try to rebuild.
I am not saying Jeff Green is going to be your man, but it's not a horrible trade considering the situation the Celtic organization was.
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Sure the Celtics couldn't resign Perkins after this season but there is the deal: after this season. You know with this guy in your rotation no one short of the Lakers has a chance of beating you in a Best Of 7 - no one. You go for your chip now and deal with the effects later on.
The only thing about the trade I support is his possible injury. Other than that from a pure basketball standpoint I very rarely support a contending team throwing advantages that absolutely destroy other teams. Perkins may not be a franchise center but his defining skill (all around monster defense) is what you need.
If the Lakers were to trade Andrew Bynum for Aaron Brooks to aid their PG position and 3pt shooting would you think that is a wise trade?
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Perkins want his 10million dollars a year deal, Boston wanted to give him 5. It was the prime time to trade him for some worth, no trade talk, quick and clean deal. This is clearly the reasoning, Perkins just signed onto an extension (probably why he is healing now) for close to 9 million a year with 750, 000 in bonus'. so he took half a million off what he wanted, but now can become an even bigger entity within his market, so will get paid more in doing small acting jobs/advertising.
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Someone pointed out (dun remember who though) that the Celts were largely benching Perkins last season against the Lakers anyways, before his injury, particularly in the 4th quarters. Even before the injury he was averaging like 18 minutes per game or something. Their gameplan actually (because of Pau/Bynum) ended up wanting to favor spreading the floor, with Resheed hoisting 3s and such, but they didn't have the manpower to keep it up for the whole series, is this guy's theory. Anyways, when you consider that, and you consider how badly they need Green right now to deal with LBJ/Wade/Melo defensively and that trade almost looks to have been a necessity ;p
They're obviously gambling on the O'Neals but they're on the roster, they made that gamble during the offseason. Mweh.
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ok look - stop reading into the bullshit articles that people write. Perkins for even 20 minutes a game is infinitely better than having Jeff Green with their current roster. The players themselves have even said - Perkins = chip. Doc Rivers has said it himself - no one has beaten the Celtics starting 5 when healthy.
Secondly the Celtics know, and so do Lebron and Wade that they can beat them with Jeff Green. The Celtics have never, ever, ever in the last 4 years been destroyed by perimeter players in a series. These guys will have 1, maybe 2 monster games and get killed all the rest. This Wade/Lebron/Melo/Kobe excuse is being blown way out of proportion. The fact that these guys are primary slashers with the exception of Melo is even better reason to keep Perkins.
the Marquis Daniel's injury definitely put them in a tough spot but not at the expense of trading your #1 interior defender. Jeff Green can't defend the basket 25 feet away.
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Signing troy murphy takes some of the sting out. Perkins was injured, after all.
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He wasn't injured for an entire year. He was coming back.
Troy Murphy? :/
Have you seen Troy Murphy play in the last 2 years? It would take a miracle for him to get back to being relevant.
EDIT: I hope the Knicks get a ton of harsh treatment for their loss to the Magic the way the Heat do. I also want some blog writer to point out the insane amount of Free Throws Chauncey is getting now that he's on the Knicks. I swear foul calls are influenced by how much you are perceived to be a star.
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