EPTThe mono-red match up is pretty favorable for MBI post-board.
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The mass majority of Flare players have no clue on how to tune their deck for their meta, it requires so much land tinkering.
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
The mono-red match up is pretty favorable for MBI post-board. Edit: The mass majority of Flare players have no clue on how to tune their deck for their meta, it requires so much land tinkering. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On October 23 2011 01:15 RoosterSamurai wrote: Apparently there is a huge surge in MBI players...Or maybe I'm just lucky/unlucky? It's all I've been playing against in the tournament practice room. Fortunately my deck is pretty good vs them. What do you run? MBI is just good, I don't think it's quite set up against WolfRun Ramp and, despite what Judicator says, I haven't seen it crush U/B control either. I mean, it might, I probably haven't paid enough attention. I don't like"Geist" Blade either, or Solar Flare...I don't think I like anything. Except Lantern Spirit. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
Tributes are not really for the aggro matchup so much as it is for hexblade and solar flare. If they get a stonehorn dignitary out, tributing it gives me much more room to just spend life for more tezzys gambits/lashwrithe fast equip/dismembers. You are right to want verdicts over tributes against aggro though, where speed is everything. Edit: MBI murders wolf run I think. You can just distress out the green sun/titan from their hand, virulent wounds their mana dorks, and straight up kill them before they get anything off. I know for a fact that MBI also wrecks U/B control. You just have to throw stuff out there to bait out countermagic. Once you get even a single poison counter on then and you manage to resolve a single contagion clasp, it starts going downhill for then. You just have to play a really safe game against U/B control and not waste your bombs to their countermagic. You also put them in an awkward situation when you just keep dropping plague stingers and specters every turn since they have to either counter it or save their counters for more dangerous stuff and start taking damage from the pingers. MBI may be an aggressive deck, but it also has a lot of draw for an aggro-ish deck, which ensures you keep up with the control deck's draws. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On October 23 2011 06:35 slyboogie wrote: What do you run? MBI is just good, I don't think it's quite set up against WolfRun Ramp and, despite what Judicator says, I haven't seen it crush U/B control either. I mean, it might, I probably haven't paid enough attention. I don't like"Geist" Blade either, or Solar Flare...I don't think I like anything. Except Lantern Spirit. I'm running UB combo | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
Grimgrin ooze? | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On October 23 2011 06:42 dignity wrote: I sided in the extra virulent wounds but I did not have any additional contagion clasps in my sideboard. Crusaders can be dealth with using the shrine. The same can be done with vatmothers. The shrines charge up insanely fast. You have to live that long to be able to play skittles. Also, the guy sided in chandras pheonixes so he would have been able to chump block skittles all day long. Tributes are not really for the aggro matchup so much as it is for hexblade and solar flare. If they get a stonehorn dignitary out, tributing it gives me much more room to just spend life for more tezzys gambits/lashwrithe fast equip/dismembers. You are right to want verdicts over tributes against aggro though, where speed is everything. Edit: MBI murders wolf run I think. You can just distress out the green sun/titan from their hand, virulent wounds their mana dorks, and straight up kill them before they get anything off. I know for a fact that MBI also wrecks U/B control. You just have to throw stuff out there to bait out countermagic. Once you get even a single poison counter on then and you manage to resolve a single contagion clasp, it starts going downhill for then. You just have to play a really safe game against U/B control and not waste your bombs to their countermagic. You also put them in an awkward situation when you just keep dropping plague stingers and specters every turn since they have to either counter it or save their counters for more dangerous stuff and start taking damage from the pingers. MBI may be an aggressive deck, but it also has a lot of draw for an aggro-ish deck, which ensures you keep up with the control deck's draws. If MBI smokes both those decks, then it's clearly the best deck in Standard. Now I know why people hate Type2. EDIT: I've been thinking...if MBI is a real problem for these decks, there's stuff to deal with it. Things that seem odd or out of place, even. Daybreak Ranger and Bloodline Keeper for Wolfrun Ramp and U/B Control, respectively seem like they'd be okay. Dismember for Skittles and, yes, Despise for Liliana. Midnight Haunting works and Gideon could make a comeback. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
RDW does pretty well against MBI if they have certain cards in. There are so many decks that are viable right now compared to the last few blocks, and lets not talk about the horror that was caw-blade. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:41 dignity wrote: I think tempered steel decks might win MBI. There is no way you are winning once a single t-steel goes down. RDW does pretty well against MBI if they have certain cards in. There are so many decks that are viable right now compared to the last few blocks, and lets not talk about the horror that was caw-blade. Oh shit! Burn the Impure! Kakow! | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
Yup, working on perfecting it. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
I completely forgot about that card. Shrine + those might actually wreck MBI. Shrines to take out the crusaders with burn to kill my weenies AND throw in a bolt? MBI runs quite a few nihil spellbombs. How does that exactly work against it? | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On October 23 2011 11:20 dignity wrote: I completely forgot about that card. Shrine + those might actually wreck MBI. Shrines to take out the crusaders with burn to kill my weenies AND throw in a bolt? MBI runs quite a few nihil spellbombs. How does that exactly work against it? Naturalize works pretty well. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
They can crack it in response. @Judicator I can't outrace RDW once my crusaders are dead. I would NOT be happy to trade crusaders for shrines. Vatmothers won't save you from brimstone volleys when there is no way to trade favorably with the RDW turns 1-3. Its just no feasible to start with a hand with enough removal to stop a RDW. If they drop a bloodthirsted berserker you are going to cry. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
You have Black Suns, Wounds, point removal post board. Creature wise they shouldn't be able to keep with you. The only real threat is Koth. Phoenix is meh, I would just kill it to tempo them all day. What exactly is your list? | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On October 23 2011 11:32 Judicator wrote: You guys are banking too much on the deck versus deck issues. Sideboard is what makes these decks. Nobody really prepped for MBI. Seriously though, if you're throwing Shrines at Crusaders, then the MBI player is extremely happy. You're right man. RDW should deal with Crusader by doing something else. Like Slagstorm? Whipflare? C'mon, you aren't running that shit preboard. Blow the shrine on the Crusader or die. EDIT: Oops, DEBT. What's RDW supposed to do against Crusader then? | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On October 23 2011 13:34 slyboogie wrote: What's RDW supposed to do against Crusader then? Dismember. And if infect ever gets too popular every deck will just go back to running MD dismembers and the deck will die. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
21x Swamp 4x Inkmoth Nexus 4x Phyrexian Crusader 4x Plague Stinger 2x Whispering Specter 2x Dismember 3x Nihil Spellbomb 2x Contagion Clasp 2x Tezzeret's Gambit 4x Lashwrithe 2x Virulent Wound 2x Doom Blade 2x Skittles 1x Tumble Magnet 2x Distress 3x Tribute to Hunger Sideboard: 1x Despise 1x Distress 1x Nihil Spellbomb 2x Whispering Specter 3x Phyrexian Vatmother 1x Doom Blade 2x Virulent Wound 2x Black Sun's Zenith 1x Tumble Magnet 1x Tribute to Hunger Currently what I am running. Everyone DID run dismembers mainboard at one point. Problem is you end up losing too much life against someone who was not playing infect, which was the majority of the people. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
The deck I was running was more equipped to deal with control so I had a hard time pre board vs aggro. but the 2x mainboard gut shot were a blow out to Mono Red, and even tempered steel when i drew them in my opening hand. I know many people are going to argue the fact but I would run 3 main next time I play. the card was just that effective against aggro decks and even snapcaster. | ||
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Canada908 Posts
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