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On January 01 2013 03:21 Diamond wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So the last 2-3 times I have got back into Magic I have gone with mono-red budget decks, and sort of getting sick of them. Spent a bit of time in MTGO last night making a U/W control deck. Curious what cool cards (ie: cool AND cheap) I may have overlooked. Note: This deck is not meant to win tournaments, and will not win Pro Tour's. Just want a fun deck to get used to all the new cards and current meta on a budget. I KNOW there is better $400+ decks, and I know there is even likely better budget decks, this is just something for me, as I like making my own decks.U/W Control
Creatures
3x Nivmagus Elemental
4x Delver of Secrets
4x Serra Avenger
2x Interpid Hero (maybe need to 3x this?)
1x Restoration Angel (already have 1 that's why only 1)
Spells
4x Index
3x Cyclonic Rift
3x Dramatic Rescue
3x Search Warrant
3x Detention Sphere
4x Nevermore
3x Supreme Verdict
Artifacts
3x Moonsilver Spear (think this might need to be 4x)
Land
4x Azorius Guildgate
4x Glacial Fortress
5x Island
7x Plains
Sideboard
None yet, as I doubt this deck will last very long and I have no clue of the meta aside for Thragtusk/Sphinx. This is a simple control deck, that uses small creatures to win. It sort of lacks a true finisher, I have a feeling someone here might be able to help me. Right now the Moonsiver Spear is the closest thing I have to a true finisher, and it's not much of one at that. I don't know for sure where I am going with this deck but I do like the control that Sphere/Nevermore/Verdict create, so I kept the creatures small and things I could afford to part with if I need to launch a Supreme Verdict. Thanks for checking it out, and try and keep any suggestions for cards at 2 tickets or so per copy  ! Oh yeah, Happy New Year also!
Don't bother, you won't win anything. Index is waste since you have no way of shuffling nor does it cantrip. Invisible Stalker is a better creature than Nivmagus. Search Warrant, you'll find to be very underwhelming and you do want Oblivion Ring against other Detention Spheres.
These decks don't work without significant investment since what you have built or attempting to build is a tempo deck not a control deck. You are aiming to win in a very limited window, but there's none of that here. Basically this deck is simply isn't going to work as you won't beat any of the popular cards in Standard right now in a "fair" (someone didn't mull to 5 or get flooded/screwed) situation. Like every match up for you is vastly not in your favor.
If you want to understand the meta, the best way is to take a proven deck and then go make your own deck based on a better understanding of the cards. Decks like this only looks "inward" as in you understand where your cards sit in the meta or match up but not where the other (format-defining) cards sit (or "outwards").
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On January 01 2013 12:47 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 03:21 Diamond wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So the last 2-3 times I have got back into Magic I have gone with mono-red budget decks, and sort of getting sick of them. Spent a bit of time in MTGO last night making a U/W control deck. Curious what cool cards (ie: cool AND cheap) I may have overlooked. Note: This deck is not meant to win tournaments, and will not win Pro Tour's. Just want a fun deck to get used to all the new cards and current meta on a budget. I KNOW there is better $400+ decks, and I know there is even likely better budget decks, this is just something for me, as I like making my own decks.U/W Control
Creatures
3x Nivmagus Elemental
4x Delver of Secrets
4x Serra Avenger
2x Interpid Hero (maybe need to 3x this?)
1x Restoration Angel (already have 1 that's why only 1)
Spells
4x Index
3x Cyclonic Rift
3x Dramatic Rescue
3x Search Warrant
3x Detention Sphere
4x Nevermore
3x Supreme Verdict
Artifacts
3x Moonsilver Spear (think this might need to be 4x)
Land
4x Azorius Guildgate
4x Glacial Fortress
5x Island
7x Plains
Sideboard
None yet, as I doubt this deck will last very long and I have no clue of the meta aside for Thragtusk/Sphinx. This is a simple control deck, that uses small creatures to win. It sort of lacks a true finisher, I have a feeling someone here might be able to help me. Right now the Moonsiver Spear is the closest thing I have to a true finisher, and it's not much of one at that. I don't know for sure where I am going with this deck but I do like the control that Sphere/Nevermore/Verdict create, so I kept the creatures small and things I could afford to part with if I need to launch a Supreme Verdict. Thanks for checking it out, and try and keep any suggestions for cards at 2 tickets or so per copy ! Oh yeah, Happy New Year also! Don't bother, you won't win anything. Index is waste since you have no way of shuffling nor does it cantrip. Invisible Stalker is a better creature than Nivmagus. Search Warrant, you'll find to be very underwhelming and you do want Oblivion Ring against other Detention Spheres. These decks don't work without significant investment since what you have built or attempting to build is a tempo deck not a control deck. You are aiming to win in a very limited window, but there's none of that here. Basically this deck is simply isn't going to work as you won't beat any of the popular cards in Standard right now in a "fair" (someone didn't mull to 5 or get flooded/screwed) situation. Like every match up for you is vastly not in your favor. If you want to understand the meta, the best way is to take a proven deck and then go make your own deck based on a better understanding of the cards. Decks like this only looks "inward" as in you understand where your cards sit in the meta or match up but not where the other (format-defining) cards sit (or "outwards").
I have been playing Magic since 1996, I know what I am doing to get back into things. Just fyi I have played 2 games with it and went 3-0. As I mentioned I am going to it to learn, and I enjoy making my own decks when doing this process. It's not like I will be out more than $20-$30 and still get some useful cards anyways out of it for later decks.
Also got some useful feedback on Reddit and this is the current version:
+ Show Spoiler +U/W Control
Creatures
4x Delver of Secrets
3x Invisible Stalker
4x Serra Avenger
2x Interpid Hero
1x Restoration Angel
Spells
4x Unsummon
3x Dramatic Rescue
4x Think Twice
4x Azorius Charm
3x Supreme Verdict
Artifacts
4x Runchanter's Pike
Enchantments
4x Nevermore
Land
4x Azorius Guildgate
7x Island
9x Plains
Sideboard
None yet, as I doubt this deck will last very long and I have no clue of the meta aside for Thragtusk/Sphinx.
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Sideboard some Rest in Peace. One of better graveyard control cards ever printed. And its a pretty cheap rare.
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4 nevermore? That's pretty intense. I used to play 1 Memoricide in BUG Pod because it couldn't beat Day of Judgement, and that felt bad enough. Wouldn't you rather those Nevermores were like...Thoughtscours or like Stitched Drakes or something?
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On January 01 2013 13:44 slyboogie wrote:
4 nevermore? That's pretty intense. I used to play 1 Memoricide in BUG Pod because it couldn't beat Day of Judgement, and that felt bad enough. Wouldn't you rather those Nevermores were like...Thoughtscours or like Stitched Drakes or something?
They seem pretty good as long as you have some clue what's coming. Also comes out faster than Thragtusk/Sphinx's so you can shut one of the two down vs that deck (which from what I am told is the main deck atm). The couple games I played I had fun with it, although since I don't know all the cards there is a bit of guesswork.
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Well before you posted your UW tempo deck, I was going to recommend some G/B Midrange beat down. Some monstrosity like:
4x Arbor Elf
2x Avacyn's Pilgrim
3x Wolfbitten Captive
3x Gatstaf Shepard
4x Dreg Mangler
4x Druids Familiar
2x Tragic Slip
1x Ultimate Price
1x Sever the Bloodline
2x Collective Blessing
3x Golgari Charm or Ranger's Guile, guess it depends what you play against
Couple of spots to fill with terrible things like Farbog Boneflinger
EDIT: New Ghost Council is like a hilarious concession to the reality of power creep.
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On January 01 2013 13:21 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 12:47 Judicator wrote:On January 01 2013 03:21 Diamond wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So the last 2-3 times I have got back into Magic I have gone with mono-red budget decks, and sort of getting sick of them. Spent a bit of time in MTGO last night making a U/W control deck. Curious what cool cards (ie: cool AND cheap) I may have overlooked. Note: This deck is not meant to win tournaments, and will not win Pro Tour's. Just want a fun deck to get used to all the new cards and current meta on a budget. I KNOW there is better $400+ decks, and I know there is even likely better budget decks, this is just something for me, as I like making my own decks.U/W Control
Creatures
3x Nivmagus Elemental
4x Delver of Secrets
4x Serra Avenger
2x Interpid Hero (maybe need to 3x this?)
1x Restoration Angel (already have 1 that's why only 1)
Spells
4x Index
3x Cyclonic Rift
3x Dramatic Rescue
3x Search Warrant
3x Detention Sphere
4x Nevermore
3x Supreme Verdict
Artifacts
3x Moonsilver Spear (think this might need to be 4x)
Land
4x Azorius Guildgate
4x Glacial Fortress
5x Island
7x Plains
Sideboard
None yet, as I doubt this deck will last very long and I have no clue of the meta aside for Thragtusk/Sphinx. This is a simple control deck, that uses small creatures to win. It sort of lacks a true finisher, I have a feeling someone here might be able to help me. Right now the Moonsiver Spear is the closest thing I have to a true finisher, and it's not much of one at that. I don't know for sure where I am going with this deck but I do like the control that Sphere/Nevermore/Verdict create, so I kept the creatures small and things I could afford to part with if I need to launch a Supreme Verdict. Thanks for checking it out, and try and keep any suggestions for cards at 2 tickets or so per copy ! Oh yeah, Happy New Year also! Don't bother, you won't win anything. Index is waste since you have no way of shuffling nor does it cantrip. Invisible Stalker is a better creature than Nivmagus. Search Warrant, you'll find to be very underwhelming and you do want Oblivion Ring against other Detention Spheres. These decks don't work without significant investment since what you have built or attempting to build is a tempo deck not a control deck. You are aiming to win in a very limited window, but there's none of that here. Basically this deck is simply isn't going to work as you won't beat any of the popular cards in Standard right now in a "fair" (someone didn't mull to 5 or get flooded/screwed) situation. Like every match up for you is vastly not in your favor. If you want to understand the meta, the best way is to take a proven deck and then go make your own deck based on a better understanding of the cards. Decks like this only looks "inward" as in you understand where your cards sit in the meta or match up but not where the other (format-defining) cards sit (or "outwards"). I have been playing Magic since 1996, I know what I am doing to get back into things. Just fyi I have played 2 games with it and went 3-0. As I mentioned I am going to it to learn, and I enjoy making my own decks when doing this process. It's not like I will be out more than $20-$30 and still get some useful cards anyways out of it for later decks. Also got some useful feedback on Reddit and this is the current version: + Show Spoiler +U/W Control
Creatures
4x Delver of Secrets
3x Invisible Stalker
4x Serra Avenger
2x Interpid Hero
1x Restoration Angel
Spells
4x Unsummon
3x Dramatic Rescue
4x Think Twice
4x Azorius Charm
3x Supreme Verdict
Artifacts
4x Runchanter's Pike
Enchantments
4x Nevermore
Land
4x Azorius Guildgate
7x Island
9x Plains
Sideboard
None yet, as I doubt this deck will last very long and I have no clue of the meta aside for Thragtusk/Sphinx.
Not to rain on your parade, but if you want to invest for later, then go ahead and just bite the bullet for the lands right now since they are all fairly low right now.
Nevermore is just a clunky card all the way around, its more meant for white aggro decks since it puts the opposing players in a very bad situation for the normally critical turn 4 (the do-you-have-Wrath turn), however your deck doesn't exactly do that.
One last thing, why are you running Supreme Verdicts mainboard? That card is just worthless unless you kept a creature light hand AND the opponent decides to just dump his hand on to the board. Even against the super aggro decks, that seems a bit underwhelming. Not sure when you would actually want to board it in outside of the mirror (against Geist).
Edit:
Time to go back to UB(W) control, about damn time.
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Lazav is a really sick card, I can see it being a huge pain in the ass.
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Its still a 4 drop. Maybe Evil Twin will be playable now.
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Lazav is massively overrated, Obzedat is underrated and at least 10x better. Murder and Victim of Night are really the only cards in the format that actually kill it consistently (that are remotely constructed playable at least), but neither are super mainboard cards. It makes racing near impossible and is an awesome finisher for both midrange and control decks.
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On January 01 2013 16:00 deth2munkies wrote:
Lazav is massively overrated, Obzedat is underrated and at least 10x better. Murder and Victim of Night are really the only cards in the format that actually kill it consistently (that are remotely constructed playable at least), but neither are super mainboard cards. It makes racing near impossible and is an awesome finisher for both midrange and control decks.
Lazav is overrated, but come on, It's going to be an extremely obnoxious card to deal with, I will dread playing against it.
Obzedat Idk how people value him, he seems solid, but he is a really weird card, a White/Black card that haste on it.
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Well, Lazav dodges everything except sweepers right? And if you're running some UB Control deck, who'd want to keep in the Supreme Verdict?
I agree, generally, I like Obzedat more - but that's more stylistic. I think both Guild Leaders are quite strong.
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On January 01 2013 16:17 BlueBird. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 16:00 deth2munkies wrote:
Lazav is massively overrated, Obzedat is underrated and at least 10x better. Murder and Victim of Night are really the only cards in the format that actually kill it consistently (that are remotely constructed playable at least), but neither are super mainboard cards. It makes racing near impossible and is an awesome finisher for both midrange and control decks. Lazav is overrated, but come on, It's going to be an extremely obnoxious card to deal with. Obzedat Idk how people value him, he seems solid, but he is a really weird card, a White/Black card with haste? Will he fit in with the other White/Black options?? My mind can't comprehend.
The haste is the only way to make the mechanic really work, I think.
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On January 01 2013 16:17 slyboogie wrote:
Well, Lazav dodges everything except sweepers right? And if you're running some UB Control deck, who'd want to keep in the Supreme Verdict?
I agree, generally, I like Obzedat more - but that's more stylistic. I think both Guild Leaders are quite strong.
He doesn't dodge sac effects, sweepers (which are the most common form of removal atm), clones, or the fact he's a freaking hill giant and massively outclassed as a creature until you can activate his ability.
Always keep in mind he's a 3/3 for 4 that doesn't impact the board unless you do something else the turn you cast him. Then you see how mediocre he actually is.
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If your opponent drops a sweep for your Lazav, you should be pretty pleased. The fact he's keeping that card in against you is already awesome.
And I guess that St. Traft is just a bear for three? Obviously not, right? They are trying to accomplish different things, of course, but this is a very safe card to play in UB.
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Obzedat is pretty sick, loving how unique his ability is :D
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On January 01 2013 17:12 slyboogie wrote:
If your opponent drops a sweep for your Lazav, you should be pretty pleased. The fact he's keeping that card in against you is already awesome.
And I guess that St. Traft is just a bear for three? Obviously not, right? They are trying to accomplish different things, of course, but this is a very safe card to play in UB.
Slow down, I don't think Lazav is that good in the control MU in the first place, otherwise he's just a 3/3 Hexproofer in a sea of better Hexproofers (Geist, Lone Revenant).
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EPT
