• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 11:15
CET 17:15
KST 01:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview12Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win1RSL Season 4 announced for March-April5Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) KSL Week 85 OSC Season 13 World Championship
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Path of Exile Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1953 users

Magic: The Gathering - Page 257

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 255 256 257 258 259 665 Next
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 07:25:57
December 30 2012 07:21 GMT
#5121
Is there anything like the old "Building on a Budget" articles they used to do for Standard? Looking to get back into Magic (been our since Avacyn) and just want a cheap basic deck to get back into the running and learn all the new cards. Trying to figure something out.

Edit: Talking like $20 or less budget, not the several hundred $ ones.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 08:53:53
December 30 2012 08:52 GMT
#5122
You can make a fnm winning rdw for $20 if you shop around for lowest prices.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
December 30 2012 08:59 GMT
#5123
On December 30 2012 17:52 NotSorry wrote:
You can make a fnm winning rdw for $20 if you shop around for lowest prices.


Well I am only playing MTGO, can you please explain more however? As I explained I am out of the loop, so I don't know what deck that would possibly be.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Rainofpain
Profile Joined December 2010
United States125 Posts
December 30 2012 15:00 GMT
#5124
Building on a budget doesnt really work right now, (RIP Wb tokens </3) a lot of good stuff is expensive right now http://www.mtgo-stats.com/ here is where you can check out the top deck from dailies.
It`s hard to read bad players because they`re bad - Idra
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
December 30 2012 15:45 GMT
#5125
The problem with BoaB is that most decks right now have heavily costed mana bases. I guess you could throw something together like mono-black without liliana's and that can be under 20 tix, but not exactly super competitive. The list would go something like this:

4x mutilate
4x vampire nighthawk
4x desecration demon or other undercosted fatty
4x staff of nin
?x removal

?x swamp

If you search for the expensive list, you can see what you think. good luck!
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
December 30 2012 16:55 GMT
#5126
On December 31 2012 00:00 Rainofpain wrote:
Building on a budget doesnt really work right now, (RIP Wb tokens </3) a lot of good stuff is expensive right now http://www.mtgo-stats.com/ here is where you can check out the top deck from dailies.


Not really looking for a top tier deck. Just something that can hold it's own (even if an overall losing record) vs the main decks, so I get a chance to see them work and see what the meta is like now. So does not have to be a deck to win tournaments, just study the opponents on MTGO. Problem with stuff like the theme decks is they get their asses kicked so bad you don't really get a good sense of the deck you are playing against, as they don't have to go all out with everything.

Was thinking a Mono-White Human deck, as most of them are super cheap. Idk tho. Thank you for the link!
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
December 30 2012 17:16 GMT
#5127
Play Red then. The cheaper you go, the more potent red is simply because they have access to cheap burn spells while no other color gets that. Mono-white is terrible, don't do it.
Get it by your hands...
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
December 30 2012 20:13 GMT
#5128
4 gore house walker
4 ash zealot
4 rakdos cackler
2 pyreheart wolf
2 lightning mauler
4 stromkirk noble

4 pillar of flame
4 searing spear
4 brimstone volley
4 flames of the fire brand

20 mountains
4 hellion crucible

Should come out to about 18$ irl not sure about Mtgo could probably get a lot free
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
el_dawg
Profile Joined September 2011
United States164 Posts
December 30 2012 20:38 GMT
#5129
Interesting tourney going on now, the streamer's championship. 8 player invitational, with each player simultaneously streaming from their perspective. 9 rounds total, RTR draft, standard and cube.

http://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Magic: The Gathering
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
December 30 2012 20:39 GMT
#5130
Mono red is definitely the only deck you can play for around that price and be somewhat competitive, but the meta right now is brutal for mono red without "good" cards (hellrider mostly) with thragtusks and sphinx revelation being everywhere lol.
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Yoghi
Profile Joined December 2012
Italy13 Posts
December 30 2012 21:05 GMT
#5131
there is still the build on a budget thread on mtg salvation, just check the t2 section
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
December 30 2012 21:27 GMT
#5132
On December 31 2012 05:13 NotSorry wrote:
4 gore house walker
4 ash zealot
4 rakdos cackler
2 pyreheart wolf
2 lightning mauler
4 stromkirk noble

4 pillar of flame
4 searing spear
4 brimstone volley
4 flames of the fire brand

20 mountains
4 hellion crucible

Should come out to about 18$ irl not sure about Mtgo could probably get a lot free


On December 31 2012 05:39 Louuster wrote:
Mono red is definitely the only deck you can play for around that price and be somewhat competitive, but the meta right now is brutal for mono red without "good" cards (hellrider mostly) with thragtusks and sphinx revelation being everywhere lol.


Yea I heard about Thragtusk/Sphinx and the life game stuff that's why I was shying away from mono-red, but looks like I shoudl stick with it! Thank you for all the info! Also already have a bunch of mono red stuff like the Noble, so that will further cut costs !
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
December 30 2012 22:10 GMT
#5133
Basically, they are going to playing with 25 life, regardless of what deck you are playing. Mono-white doesn't have that reach from burn spells and Thragtusk is such a bitch to beat that you might as well be playing Red.

If you don't want to spend that much, Mark of Mutiny type effects are still good against Thragtusk. Sphinx's Revelation though you don't have to worry as much as if they are going to draw 3 cards (usually) you are probably not winning, so you just have to beat them before Revelation is relevant. You do want something for Rhox Faithmender and your biggest headache will probably be Centaur Healer.
Get it by your hands...
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
December 30 2012 23:24 GMT
#5134
On December 31 2012 07:10 Judicator wrote:
Basically, they are going to playing with 25 life, regardless of what deck you are playing. Mono-white doesn't have that reach from burn spells and Thragtusk is such a bitch to beat that you might as well be playing Red.

If you don't want to spend that much, Mark of Mutiny type effects are still good against Thragtusk. Sphinx's Revelation though you don't have to worry as much as if they are going to draw 3 cards (usually) you are probably not winning, so you just have to beat them before Revelation is relevant. You do want something for Rhox Faithmender and your biggest headache will probably be Centaur Healer.


Then of course, there's ye olde Traitorous Blood/Fling.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
December 30 2012 23:35 GMT
#5135
Not enough deck space for fling unfortunately
Get it by your hands...
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
December 31 2012 00:11 GMT
#5136
Mark of mutiny is good for thargtusk cause by round 5 when they drop him they should be within kill range anyways unless you totally bricked early so that extra swing and one less blocker should finish it.



Side note: holy crap people streaming auto play decks and pretending there is thought involved in play land and say go
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 00:13:30
December 31 2012 00:13 GMT
#5137
On December 31 2012 08:35 Judicator wrote:
Not enough deck space for fling unfortunately


Toss Flames of the Firebrand in the sideboard for decks that play elves, go to 2 Brimstone Volleys, play 3/3 Traitorous/Fling.

It gives you reach as well, even if you're flinging a Hellion at their face.

Obviously, it's strictly the budget option, but it's still fun, and isn't that the point?
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
December 31 2012 05:18 GMT
#5138
Problem with Fling is that its really only good with Traitorous and most of the time just having another burn spell is better than a Fling. Fling is terrible if you can't get through with creatures and in situations like that Traitorous is just better. I would say Fling with that curse that makes your opponent attack is ok since in a race situation where Fling buys you a turn (by killing them earlier).

In any case, Fling is only good in very niche situations if you are using it as a reach card. Some times it will be better than a burn spell but most of the time its going to be underwhelming. 3 Fling is too much in either case since unlike drawing multiple burn spells drawing 2 Fling early is pretty bad.

Also NotSorry, while I can't say for the streamers you were watching, I take a fair amount of time in very obvious situations not for the current turn but future turns for many different reasons.
Get it by your hands...
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 20:31:42
December 31 2012 18:21 GMT
#5139
So the last 2-3 times I have got back into Magic I have gone with mono-red budget decks, and sort of getting sick of them. Spent a bit of time in MTGO last night making a U/W control deck. Curious what cool cards (ie: cool AND cheap) I may have overlooked.

Note: This deck is not meant to win tournaments, and will not win Pro Tour's. Just want a fun deck to get used to all the new cards and current meta on a budget. I KNOW there is better $400+ decks, and I know there is even likely better budget decks, this is just something for me, as I like making my own decks.

U/W Control

Creatures
3x Nivmagus Elemental
4x Delver of Secrets
4x Serra Avenger
2x Interpid Hero (maybe need to 3x this?)
1x Restoration Angel (already have 1 that's why only 1)

Spells
4x Index
3x Cyclonic Rift
3x Dramatic Rescue
3x Search Warrant
3x Detention Sphere
4x Nevermore
3x Supreme Verdict

Artifacts
3x Moonsilver Spear (think this might need to be 4x)

Land
4x Azorius Guildgate
4x Glacial Fortress
5x Island
7x Plains

Sideboard
None yet, as I doubt this deck will last very long and I have no clue of the meta aside for Thragtusk/Sphinx.


This is a simple control deck, that uses small creatures to win. It sort of lacks a true finisher, I have a feeling someone here might be able to help me. Right now the Moonsiver Spear is the closest thing I have to a true finisher, and it's not much of one at that. I don't know for sure where I am going with this deck but I do like the control that Sphere/Nevermore/Verdict create, so I kept the creatures small and things I could afford to part with if I need to launch a Supreme Verdict.

Thanks for checking it out, and try and keep any suggestions for cards at 2 tickets or so per copy !

Oh yeah, Happy New Year also!
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 19:34:53
December 31 2012 19:05 GMT
#5140
Big set of spoilers today

12/31/12 - Deathpact Angel (M)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410139925735543&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1
12/31/12 - Illusionist’s Bracers (R)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410138709068998&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1
12/31/12 - Cloudfin Raptor (C)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410137735735762&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1
12/31/12 - Experiment One (U)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410136642402538&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1
12/31/12 - Call of the Nightwing (U)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410132602402942&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1
12/31/12 - Murder Investigation (U)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410134845736051&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1
12/31/12 - Boros Elite (U)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410130892403113&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1
12/31/12 - Viashino Shanktail (U)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410128859069983&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1
12/31/12 - Burning-Tree Emissary (U)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410129915736544&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1
12/31/12 - Drakewing Krasis (C)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410126615736874&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1
12/31/12 - Orzhov Guildgate (C)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410127232403479&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1
12/31/12 - Gateway Shade (U)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410123849070484&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1
12/31/12 - Tin Street Market (C)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410125582403644&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1
12/31/12 - Basilica Guards (C)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410123255737210&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1
12/31/12 - Zhur-Taa Swine (C)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410121699070699&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&permPage=1
12/31/12 - Gridlock (U)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410120512404151&set=a.126338520782353.31802.117422515007287&type=1&relevant_count=1

Most impressed with Burning-Tree Emissary allowing you to drop a 2/2 body turn 2 while still getting off your farseek.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Prev 1 255 256 257 258 259 665 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 45m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Rex 103
SC2Nice 32
BRAT_OK 10
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 6627
Calm 6032
Bisu 1317
Horang2 1281
Shuttle 1256
Hyuk 1249
Flash 978
EffOrt 715
Stork 512
GuemChi 421
[ Show more ]
Mini 285
firebathero 261
BeSt 246
actioN 223
ggaemo 206
Soulkey 195
Snow 128
Hyun 118
Sharp 112
Mong 83
Aegong 62
Killer 39
Barracks 37
ToSsGirL 33
Shinee 26
JYJ 23
Free 20
Backho 20
Terrorterran 18
Hm[arnc] 18
yabsab 14
SilentControl 14
scan(afreeca) 12
HiyA 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Sacsri 8
Dota 2
singsing3333
qojqva1864
Dendi622
Fuzer 258
BananaSlamJamma138
febbydoto12
Counter-Strike
fl0m3085
byalli1164
kRYSTAL_26
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King77
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1727
Grubby1544
hiko722
B2W.Neo558
crisheroes242
Hui .162
QueenE131
DeMusliM100
TKL 91
ArmadaUGS65
KnowMe61
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 93
• iHatsuTV 22
• LUISG 19
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix7
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis12081
• TFBlade1413
• Shiphtur0
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
8h 45m
WardiTV Invitational
19h 45m
Replay Cast
1d 7h
The PondCast
1d 17h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 19h
Replay Cast
2 days
RongYI Cup
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-02
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W7
Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.