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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
December 26 2012 05:12 GMT
#5081
Oh wow, that's surprisingly weak. Not that Lightening Helix is "weak" but the condition needs a big payoff. Geez, I'm not even sure that's a first pick. The mechanic does stack though, so multiple Battalion guys attack is pretty cool, but they really make you work for it.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
December 26 2012 05:32 GMT
#5082
On December 26 2012 14:12 slyboogie wrote:
Oh wow, that's surprisingly weak. Not that Lightening Helix is "weak" but the condition needs a big payoff. Geez, I'm not even sure that's a first pick. The mechanic does stack though, so multiple Battalion guys attack is pretty cool, but they really make you work for it.


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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
December 26 2012 05:44 GMT
#5083
It's not like we're slamming Odric on turn 4 either >_> and he wouldn't even make you go into Red. Plus, I would say a Master Warcraft is inherently more powerful than a Lightening Helix.

The mechanic is effective with cards like Lingering Souls but it needs to be more aggressive than the preview card. Something like a 1 drop that +2 battlecries or something. Dunno.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 06:01:07
December 26 2012 06:00 GMT
#5084
I look at her and I don't see something to use as a "front line" soldier; rather, I see her as the second-in-command; like I don't want her to be the strongest thing attacking, but maybe the second strongest, behind a larger threat like.... I dunno... Aurelia. Or Thundermaw, or even Resto Angel.

I think you can turn 3 her, and then maybe go turn 4, swing with her plus mana dorks, and pop a blocker or other annoying thing. Heck, even going to the face with her won't be bad. Hell, she deals with the front end of a Thragtusk without it blocking her.

The Naya Ramp deck I'm looking to build keeps looking better and better the more Gatecrash cards we see spoiled...
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
December 26 2012 06:08 GMT
#5085
On December 26 2012 15:00 Kinie wrote:
I look at her and I don't see something to use as a "front line" soldier; rather, I see her as the second-in-command; like I don't want her to be the strongest thing attacking, but maybe the second strongest, behind a larger threat like.... I dunno... Aurelia. Or Thundermaw, or even Resto Angel.

I think you can turn 3 her, and then maybe go turn 4, swing with her plus mana dorks, and pop a blocker or other annoying thing. Heck, even going to the face with her won't be bad. Hell, she deals with the front end of a Thragtusk without it blocking her.

The Naya Ramp deck I'm looking to build keeps looking better and better the more Gatecrash cards we see spoiled...


Yeah, Naya came to my mind too. Add in Selesnya's "Populate" ability and suddenly you can trigger this "Battalion" ability with ease.
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
December 26 2012 17:38 GMT
#5086
Too much work for not enough gain. Sublime is still better at 4 then this Angel. In limited, thats a different story.
Get it by your hands...
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 22:42:00
December 26 2012 22:40 GMT
#5087
Sublime is better in general but Firemane Avenger might actually be better for aggro mirrors.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
December 26 2012 22:43 GMT
#5088
On December 27 2012 07:40 Baum wrote:
Sublime is better in general but Firemane Avenger might actually be better for aggro mirrors.


Not to mention against Tokens and/or Nighthawk decks that just make Sublime look silly.

I'm really excited for Boros/Naya Aggro with Gatecrash.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
December 26 2012 23:05 GMT
#5089
Not to mention that Firemane can "clear the skies" somewhat with her ability. Shoots down all those spirit tokens and Nighthawks as well. It doesn't do anything for instant-speed stuff or Moorland Haunt in declare attacker's step, but still.

In terms of raw power, Sublime is better. But if put into the right deck, she can synergize quite well with the other pieces. That's why I suggested Naya for her; that archetype generally likes winning through massive attacks, and she can force through damage on certain things too.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 23:35:32
December 26 2012 23:30 GMT
#5090
First of all, there isn't a Nighthawk deck in existence, and I seriously doubt there's going to be one after Gatecrash. Nobody plays Nighthawk right now. As for clearing the skies, if you mean one at a time. The relevant effect is the 3 to the dome not the 3 to a creature.

She is slightly better in the exact mirror, not every aggro match up since Sublime's effect is more in line for that as you can pop someone for a lot with 1 creature while leaving others back as blockers (probably worth more than the 3 life you gain).

Edit:

This just feels like another limited bomb since you're much more likely to have a board full of creatures.

Edit 2:

As for the populate mechanic, that is next to non-existent in standard, so I wouldn't be banking on a deck that relies on you dumping your hand still.
Get it by your hands...
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
December 26 2012 23:40 GMT
#5091
Not even a real strong P1P1. I like the card for Limited, but let's settle down.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
December 27 2012 00:03 GMT
#5092
I know slyboogie. I am trying to address a bunch of posts. I think its fine for p1p1 namely because you know what cards you are looking for from there on out.
Get it by your hands...
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
December 27 2012 00:30 GMT
#5093
True, not particularly weak. 3/3 flier for 4 is solid but I think it'll be on the power level (slightly stronger) with cards like Skymark Roc, Murder of Crows, Homicidal Seclusion...same sort of "I'm the beat down, answer this or die."
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last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
December 27 2012 05:05 GMT
#5094
And tonight we have Orzhov:

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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 27 2012 05:17 GMT
#5095
I like the new mechanics. They're very flavourful and fit in with each of the Guilds. Excited to see what the Dimir one will be.
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
December 27 2012 05:31 GMT
#5096
If it makes every card it's on overcosted it's never going to see play. Fingers crossed......
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lightrise
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1355 Posts
December 27 2012 05:32 GMT
#5097
On December 27 2012 14:17 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
I like the new mechanics. They're very flavourful and fit in with each of the Guilds. Excited to see what the Dimir one will be.


....probably draws cards? The new cards seem pretty good but nothing to suggest super powerful cards.
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
December 27 2012 05:41 GMT
#5098
Oh cool. A cheap Extort-er would be or Extort on an Enchantment (we all know it's coming,) would be cool. Everyone loves value.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
December 27 2012 05:45 GMT
#5099
Extort would be a lot cooler if it triggered on opponents casting spells, would have this great counterspell dynamic.

So far all of the mechanics (save maybe Bloodrush) are looking pretty flavorful, which I like.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-27 17:53:14
December 27 2012 05:58 GMT
#5100
On December 27 2012 08:30 Judicator wrote:
First of all, there isn't a Nighthawk deck in existence, and I seriously doubt there's going to be one after Gatecrash. Nobody plays Nighthawk right now. As for clearing the skies, if you mean one at a time. The relevant effect is the 3 to the dome not the 3 to a creature.

She is slightly better in the exact mirror, not every aggro match up since Sublime's effect is more in line for that as you can pop someone for a lot with 1 creature while leaving others back as blockers (probably worth more than the 3 life you gain).

Edit:

This just feels like another limited bomb since you're much more likely to have a board full of creatures.

Edit 2:

As for the populate mechanic, that is next to non-existent in standard, so I wouldn't be banking on a deck that relies on you dumping your hand still.


Yes, that's the point, you can nug them for 3 through a million chump blockers or force them to have an extra creature to kill it. And pretty much every Jund list I've seen and some of the older zombie lists have Nighthawk in the 75, usually the sideboard.

Extort looks meh. Hopefully the cards its on make it more interesting.
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