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On April 05 2012 01:56 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 05 2012 01:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up. ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup. The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss. ONOG and MSI Cup are not premier tournaments. No, but they are stable sources of income for Stephano, who hasn't won a premier tournament this year and is not going to given the competition he's facing - ie 20-30 top Koreans at every MLG and IPL. They're hurting him in the bank, which is where he doesn't want to be hurt. I think Stephano is being pushed, financially, to quit SC 2, and his own behavior is driving that push.
He earned about 25.000 $ in the first 3 months of 2012 (prize money alone). That is several times more than every other foreigner. And he is being pushed to quit sc2 financially? Makes sense.
Wonder how all the others that only make a fraction of that manage to not be pushed to quit then.
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pissing everybody off like a baws gogo Stephano win IPL4!
on a more serious note: Stephano is not acting like a kid because:
1. He is by defintion a grown man and not a kid.
2. A Kid would be easy to influence in the way you want it to behave ->like all the 16-18 year old koreans that only say "I am so thankful for my fans, I love all of them, *smilieyface* So happy for this opportunitiy etc. etc."
3. He just does what he wants, but does not offend people with any of his actions. If people get offended anyways because they want to create drama all the time(seriously guys forfeiting is not dramaworthy at all! If he would forfeit something like ipl4 final, because of some ridicilous reason it would at least be something big, but still not drama)
4.If you think twenty times before you do something because somebody might not be ok with your decision it's probably you that should change a bit and not people like stephano
I am not saying that forfeiting a useless match is per definition the right thing to do, but doing what you want if it doesn't hurt somebody directly(that excludes all the whiners) is the right thing.
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On April 05 2012 01:56 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 05 2012 01:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up. ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup. The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss. ONOG and MSI Cup are not premier tournaments. No, but they are stable sources of income for Stephano, who hasn't won a premier tournament this year and is not going to given the competition he's facing - ie 20-30 top Koreans at every MLG and IPL. They're hurting him in the bank, which is where he doesn't want to be hurt. I think Stephano is being pushed, financially, to quit SC 2, and his own behavior is driving that push.
Stephano won approximatively 27k$ since the beginning of 2012, that won't hurt him a lot, even more with his stream reaching a minimum of 10k viewers since early 2012.
He needs to stop doing online tournaments, just focus on the big one, his stream earns him far more than online tournaments. And we'll see if he goes to Korea this month like he suggested, might be a good sign or not for his future plans.
Edit : Redox owns me.
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On April 05 2012 02:02 PinkSoviet wrote:
USA mad
Korean Jelly
French master race dont give a fuck.
If stephano wants to forfeit games and damage his reputation with organizers, it's his problem. Same thing with, say, naniwa probe rushing a useless game. If anyone got something to say about their behaviour, it's surely not nerds entilted to their enjoyment.
Let's see where Naniwa would be without people who watch Starcraft. Oh wait, he'd be a useless dirty bum in the street because he gave up everything to pursue a career that no one gives a shit about. Organizers don't listen to Naniwa or Stephano: they listen to the people who pump money into their scene because without them, there is no scene.
On April 05 2012 02:09 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 02:05 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 05 2012 01:56 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 05 2012 01:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up. ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup. The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss. ONOG and MSI Cup are not premier tournaments. No, but they are stable sources of income for Stephano, who hasn't won a premier tournament this year and is not going to given the competition he's facing - ie 20-30 top Koreans at every MLG and IPL. They're hurting him in the bank, which is where he doesn't want to be hurt. I think Stephano is being pushed, financially, to quit SC 2, and his own behavior is driving that push. You act like Stephano needs to win these small-scale tournaments in order to pay his room and board. The entire reason he blew them off in the first place is that the amount of money/prestige offered didn't mean anything to him. It's only April and he has already won 7 notable tournaments. He can't be expected to win at MLG and IPL when nobody can be explicitly favored anymore due to lots of Koreans. But his mere presence will generate more buzz, more foreigner/Korean dynamics, and ultimately more viewers. It's a good business decision for organizers to keep inviting him to events. Not for room and board, but they're extra sources of income, and were stable sources. It adds up.
He's already made more money this year than most progamers will make in their lifetimes. I think he will be fine.
On April 05 2012 02:14 KainiT wrote:pissing everybody off like a baws gogo Stephano win IPL4! on a more serious note: Stephano is not acting like a kid because: 1. He is by defintion a grown man and not a kid. 2. A Kid would be easy to influence in the way you want it to behave ->like all the 16-18 year old koreans that only say "I am so thankful for my fans, I love all of them, *smilieyface* So happy for this opportunitiy etc. etc." 3. He just does what he wants, but does not offend people with any of his actions. If people get offended anyways because they want to create drama all the time(seriously guys forfeiting is not dramaworthy at all! If he would forfeit something like ipl4 final, because of some ridicilous reason it would at least be something big, but still not drama) 4.If you think twenty times before you do something because somebody might not be ok with your decision it's probably you that should change a bit and not people like stephano I am not saying that forfeiting a useless match is per definition the right thing to do, but doing what you want if it doesn't hurt somebody directly(that excludes all the whiners) is the right thing.
Koreans are smart. They know that the scene is not set in stone and without a dedicated fanbase, they would just be a bunch of post-college students without jobs.
Instead Stephano leaves everyone hanging like it's the Lebron Decision all over again before the organizers have to forfeit his matches. But I see that your concept of masculinity involves letting other people do the dirty work for you. I'd hate to see you make a movie about John Wayne.
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my conception of masculinity? I could be female, how do you know? However, I also think he should have told the organisers about forfeiting but that's a pretty minor thing.
about your edit: you write like behaving perfect all the time contributes to the scene, while this is just wrong, stephano is about to get very close to idra in enlarging the starcraft scene;) drama(although stephano did not even do something that shoudl cause drama) always is good for any community ->it makes people care about their scene
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On April 05 2012 02:12 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:56 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 05 2012 01:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up. ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup. The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss. ONOG and MSI Cup are not premier tournaments. No, but they are stable sources of income for Stephano, who hasn't won a premier tournament this year and is not going to given the competition he's facing - ie 20-30 top Koreans at every MLG and IPL. They're hurting him in the bank, which is where he doesn't want to be hurt. I think Stephano is being pushed, financially, to quit SC 2, and his own behavior is driving that push. He earned about 25.000 $ in the first 3 months of 2012 (prize money alone). That is several times more than every other foreigner. And he is being pushed to quit sc2 financially? Makes sense. Wonder how all the others that only make a fraction of that manage to not be pushed to quit then.
He won $25,000 before he started acting up in major online tournaments - ONOG, MSI Cup, and Iron Squid, all of which happened in March this year.
Stephano's forfeited tournaments before, but not like this. This is telling organizers that he - Stephano - is not going to take online tournaments seriously.
As for streaming, yeah he gets a lot of people when he streams, but that's because he's hyped as the best foreigner in the scene. How long do you think his hype lasts when he's not putting out results in the big LANs and not getting invited to online tournaments?
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On April 05 2012 02:02 PinkSoviet wrote:
USA mad
Korean Jelly
French master race dont give a fuck.
If stephano wants to forfeit games and damage his reputation with organizers, it's his problem. Same thing with, say, naniwa probe rushing a useless game. If anyone got something to say about their behaviour, it's surely not nerds entilted to their enjoyment.
Deal with it.
Indeed, there's no requirements of any audience at all in order for e-sport to grow.
Oh, wait. Since when having an opinion is forbidden ? Us being " entilted to our enjoyment " is part of what allows him to be where he is now.
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On April 05 2012 02:28 KainiT wrote:
my conception of masculinity? I could be female, how do you know? However, I also think he should have told the organisers about forfeiting but that's a pretty minor thing.
about your edit: you write like behaving perfect all the time contributes to the scene, while this is just wrong, stephano is about to get very close to idra in enlarging the starcraft scene;) drama(although stephano did not even do something that shoudl cause drama) always is good for any community ->it makes people care about their scene
The "telling the organizers about forfeiting" thing is pretty much the major thing considering the Iron Squid organizers are also people with jobs that don't want to waste their time.
Well, are you? I'm not a big fan of hypotheticals.
There are lots of people who do what they want. They can be categorized in many different ways: Hollywood celebrities, adventurers, Lucifer Morningstar (the comic book version), triad members, homeless, assholes, narcissists, Nazis, etc. It's rather easy to admire someone's independent streak when you are an outside viewer. However I'm sure that if your friends/boyfriend/girlfriend/parents/relatives were doing this to you, you would be more than unperturbed.
I love talking shit when it comes to sports. I love it when Starcraft players break the boring old molds of conventionality we see in every other sport: the bland unconvincing post-game interview, the oatmeal-esque memoirs, the constant kotowing to every single dude you might've beaten in the past. I'm not a big fan of players who don't respect the scene and their competition. Without those two Stephano would be nothing but some dude who happened to be good at a game. I'm sure with IPL4 coming up, this would've been a great chance to see what MMA's standard play looks like. But he didn't take it and if he loses to MMA in the later rounds of IPL4 he's just his short-sighted fault.
Drama does not make people care about anything; it only reveals how much they care about it in the first place. What drama can do it turn people off of a scene: see the NBA over the past few years.
Idra enlarges the Starcraft scene in the way the Kardashians enlarge the Hollywood scene.
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he stopped streaming yesterday cuz he had to play the spoon terran, anyone know how he did VODs?
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On April 05 2012 03:00 minos666 wrote:
he stopped streaming yesterday cuz he had to play the spoon terran, anyone know how he did VODs?
It was for the EG Masters Cup, should be broadcasted some time next week.
Edit: Scheduled for 12th April.
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On April 05 2012 02:14 KainiT wrote:pissing everybody off like a baws gogo Stephano win IPL4! on a more serious note: Stephano is not acting like a kid because: 1. He is by defintion a grown man and not a kid. 2. A Kid would be easy to influence in the way you want it to behave ->like all the 16-18 year old koreans that only say "I am so thankful for my fans, I love all of them, *smilieyface* So happy for this opportunitiy etc. etc." 3. He just does what he wants, but does not offend people with any of his actions. If people get offended anyways because they want to create drama all the time(seriously guys forfeiting is not dramaworthy at all! If he would forfeit something like ipl4 final, because of some ridicilous reason it would at least be something big, but still not drama) 4.If you think twenty times before you do something because somebody might not be ok with your decision it's probably you that should change a bit and not people like stephano I am not saying that forfeiting a useless match is per definition the right thing to do, but doing what you want if it doesn't hurt somebody directly(that excludes all the whiners) is the right thing.
1. What does that have to do with it? He is acting unprofessionally. If he is a grown man he ought to act like one.
2. Read about the whole drama between Stephano, compLexity and Millenium.
3. Same as number 2. Also, he does offend people with his actions. Most of us are offended. What does making a scene have to do with it? I have nothing to gain myself for objecting to his actions.
4. If you dont think twice before you do something because your superiors and most of your fans won't be okay with your decision you probably ought to change a good deal.
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On April 05 2012 03:24 catplanetcatplanet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 02:14 KainiT wrote:pissing everybody off like a baws gogo Stephano win IPL4! on a more serious note: Stephano is not acting like a kid because: 1. He is by defintion a grown man and not a kid. 2. A Kid would be easy to influence in the way you want it to behave ->like all the 16-18 year old koreans that only say "I am so thankful for my fans, I love all of them, *smilieyface* So happy for this opportunitiy etc. etc." 3. He just does what he wants, but does not offend people with any of his actions. If people get offended anyways because they want to create drama all the time(seriously guys forfeiting is not dramaworthy at all! If he would forfeit something like ipl4 final, because of some ridicilous reason it would at least be something big, but still not drama) 4.If you think twenty times before you do something because somebody might not be ok with your decision it's probably you that should change a bit and not people like stephano I am not saying that forfeiting a useless match is per definition the right thing to do, but doing what you want if it doesn't hurt somebody directly(that excludes all the whiners) is the right thing. 1. What does that have to do with it? He is acting unprofessionally. If he is a grown man he ought to act like one. 2. Read about the whole drama between Stephano, compLexity and Millenium. 3. Same as number 2. Also, he does offend people with his actions. Most of us are offended. What does making a scene have to do with it? I have nothing to gain myself for objecting to his actions. 4. If you dont think twice before you do something because your superiors and most of your fans won't be okay with your decision you probably ought to change a good deal.
1. that is one of the reason why saying "he is acting like a little kid" is just stupid
2.i did read everything(yes, i know what this word means) about the complexity-stephano-millenium thing
3.same as 3 + my main point is that people shouldn't be offended by such things
4.Your opinion differs from mine. People should stop making it so complicated.
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On April 05 2012 03:40 KainiT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 03:24 catplanetcatplanet wrote:On April 05 2012 02:14 KainiT wrote:pissing everybody off like a baws gogo Stephano win IPL4! on a more serious note: Stephano is not acting like a kid because: 1. He is by defintion a grown man and not a kid. 2. A Kid would be easy to influence in the way you want it to behave ->like all the 16-18 year old koreans that only say "I am so thankful for my fans, I love all of them, *smilieyface* So happy for this opportunitiy etc. etc." 3. He just does what he wants, but does not offend people with any of his actions. If people get offended anyways because they want to create drama all the time(seriously guys forfeiting is not dramaworthy at all! If he would forfeit something like ipl4 final, because of some ridicilous reason it would at least be something big, but still not drama) 4.If you think twenty times before you do something because somebody might not be ok with your decision it's probably you that should change a bit and not people like stephano I am not saying that forfeiting a useless match is per definition the right thing to do, but doing what you want if it doesn't hurt somebody directly(that excludes all the whiners) is the right thing. 1. What does that have to do with it? He is acting unprofessionally. If he is a grown man he ought to act like one. 2. Read about the whole drama between Stephano, compLexity and Millenium. 3. Same as number 2. Also, he does offend people with his actions. Most of us are offended. What does making a scene have to do with it? I have nothing to gain myself for objecting to his actions. 4. If you dont think twice before you do something because your superiors and most of your fans won't be okay with your decision you probably ought to change a good deal. 1. that is one of the reason why saying "he is acting like a little kid" is just stupid 2.i did read everything(yes, i know what this word means) about the complexity-stephano-millenium thing 3.same as 3 + my main point is that people shouldn't be offended by such things 4.Your opinion differs from mine. People should stop making it so complicated.
Responsibility is a funny thing, most people learn it eventually, but it takes time.
You cannot say "do not be offended", people cannot help it. The question is, should that offense be accepted or ignored. The usual tell is twofold: a) people have good reasons for being offended, b) a lot of people get offended. Both of these are the case currently. It's not like people are just entitled, there are tournament organizers and viewers that were shafted by Stephano once again. I'd rather have a foreigner actually play against MMA so I can see a foreigner against a top 3 Korean terran at an hour that doesn't cause sleep deprivation than hear that Stephano is.. well, actually, I don't know what's wrong with him, he didn't bother to tell us.
The fact that opinions differ doesn't stop conversation, in fact, that's usually a prerequisite for a conversation. Now talk it through. I doubt an honest and sincere conversation will lead you to the conclusion that this is the esports behaviour YOU want.
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Violet and MC are currently playing in IGN's Fight Club showmatch. IGN previously said that once Violet get's eliminated, they will invite Stephano as their next Zerg. So if MC beats Violet, we will have a very good chance to see a Stephano - MC BO9!
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On April 05 2012 02:34 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 02:12 Redox wrote:On April 05 2012 01:56 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 05 2012 01:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up. ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup. The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss. ONOG and MSI Cup are not premier tournaments. No, but they are stable sources of income for Stephano, who hasn't won a premier tournament this year and is not going to given the competition he's facing - ie 20-30 top Koreans at every MLG and IPL. They're hurting him in the bank, which is where he doesn't want to be hurt. I think Stephano is being pushed, financially, to quit SC 2, and his own behavior is driving that push. He earned about 25.000 $ in the first 3 months of 2012 (prize money alone). That is several times more than every other foreigner. And he is being pushed to quit sc2 financially? Makes sense. Wonder how all the others that only make a fraction of that manage to not be pushed to quit then. He won $25,000 before he started acting up in major online tournaments - ONOG, MSI Cup, and Iron Squid, all of which happened in March this year. Stephano's forfeited tournaments before, but not like this. This is telling organizers that he - Stephano - is not going to take online tournaments seriously. As for streaming, yeah he gets a lot of people when he streams, but that's because he's hyped as the best foreigner in the scene. How long do you think his hype lasts when he's not putting out results in the big LANs and not getting invited to online tournaments?
Idra still draws in a bunch of viewers, when's the last time he's won anything?
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On April 05 2012 04:28 magnaflow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 02:34 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 02:12 Redox wrote:On April 05 2012 01:56 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 05 2012 01:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up. ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup. The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss. ONOG and MSI Cup are not premier tournaments. No, but they are stable sources of income for Stephano, who hasn't won a premier tournament this year and is not going to given the competition he's facing - ie 20-30 top Koreans at every MLG and IPL. They're hurting him in the bank, which is where he doesn't want to be hurt. I think Stephano is being pushed, financially, to quit SC 2, and his own behavior is driving that push. He earned about 25.000 $ in the first 3 months of 2012 (prize money alone). That is several times more than every other foreigner. And he is being pushed to quit sc2 financially? Makes sense. Wonder how all the others that only make a fraction of that manage to not be pushed to quit then. He won $25,000 before he started acting up in major online tournaments - ONOG, MSI Cup, and Iron Squid, all of which happened in March this year. Stephano's forfeited tournaments before, but not like this. This is telling organizers that he - Stephano - is not going to take online tournaments seriously. As for streaming, yeah he gets a lot of people when he streams, but that's because he's hyped as the best foreigner in the scene. How long do you think his hype lasts when he's not putting out results in the big LANs and not getting invited to online tournaments? Idra still draws in a bunch of viewers, when's the last time he's won anything?
Idra's an icon not because of his skill.
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On April 05 2012 04:34 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 04:28 magnaflow wrote:On April 05 2012 02:34 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 02:12 Redox wrote:On April 05 2012 01:56 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 05 2012 01:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up. ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup. The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss. ONOG and MSI Cup are not premier tournaments. No, but they are stable sources of income for Stephano, who hasn't won a premier tournament this year and is not going to given the competition he's facing - ie 20-30 top Koreans at every MLG and IPL. They're hurting him in the bank, which is where he doesn't want to be hurt. I think Stephano is being pushed, financially, to quit SC 2, and his own behavior is driving that push. He earned about 25.000 $ in the first 3 months of 2012 (prize money alone). That is several times more than every other foreigner. And he is being pushed to quit sc2 financially? Makes sense. Wonder how all the others that only make a fraction of that manage to not be pushed to quit then. He won $25,000 before he started acting up in major online tournaments - ONOG, MSI Cup, and Iron Squid, all of which happened in March this year. Stephano's forfeited tournaments before, but not like this. This is telling organizers that he - Stephano - is not going to take online tournaments seriously. As for streaming, yeah he gets a lot of people when he streams, but that's because he's hyped as the best foreigner in the scene. How long do you think his hype lasts when he's not putting out results in the big LANs and not getting invited to online tournaments? Idra still draws in a bunch of viewers, when's the last time he's won anything? Idra's an icon not because of his skill.
It damn well contributes. Remember, Idra's been a top foreigner for longer than SC2 has existed. Ask any pro, Idra is pretty damn good at this game.
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why do you all care? seriously you're arguing over the actions of someone else as if they were your own.
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On April 05 2012 04:35 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 04:34 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 04:28 magnaflow wrote:On April 05 2012 02:34 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 02:12 Redox wrote:On April 05 2012 01:56 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 05 2012 01:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up. ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup. The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss. ONOG and MSI Cup are not premier tournaments. No, but they are stable sources of income for Stephano, who hasn't won a premier tournament this year and is not going to given the competition he's facing - ie 20-30 top Koreans at every MLG and IPL. They're hurting him in the bank, which is where he doesn't want to be hurt. I think Stephano is being pushed, financially, to quit SC 2, and his own behavior is driving that push. He earned about 25.000 $ in the first 3 months of 2012 (prize money alone). That is several times more than every other foreigner. And he is being pushed to quit sc2 financially? Makes sense. Wonder how all the others that only make a fraction of that manage to not be pushed to quit then. He won $25,000 before he started acting up in major online tournaments - ONOG, MSI Cup, and Iron Squid, all of which happened in March this year. Stephano's forfeited tournaments before, but not like this. This is telling organizers that he - Stephano - is not going to take online tournaments seriously. As for streaming, yeah he gets a lot of people when he streams, but that's because he's hyped as the best foreigner in the scene. How long do you think his hype lasts when he's not putting out results in the big LANs and not getting invited to online tournaments? Idra still draws in a bunch of viewers, when's the last time he's won anything? Idra's an icon not because of his skill. It damn well contributes. Remember, Idra's been a top foreigner for longer than SC2 has existed. Ask any pro, Idra is pretty damn good at this game.
He is, but that's not the reason he draws in viewers. Other foreigner pros of his caliber - ie Sheth - do not draw his numbers by a long shot.
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