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On April 04 2012 07:47 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 07:41 aTo wrote:On April 04 2012 07:13 Invader.Zim wrote:
Stephano was never the type that really gave a fuck. That's why he is a genius... He's an amazing player who has many options and he's been taking the option he feels are right for him. He didn't start playing sc2 to please you guys... He did it because he realized he was talented and it's a way to make money...
Stephano is a great player and will always be one of my favorite. maybe some pple should think about this! i realy dont care about what stephano is doing - i dont care if he got sideshow hairs or if he's arrogant or gay (no he isn't) or whatever.. i'm a fan because i LOVE his playstyle and i LOVE watching his games Everybodys different. Gasp. Like me. I don't care much about this, because I don't really see it as a big deal. Sure, he could have let the organizers know something, but it's not the end of the world that he didn't.
He can forfeit just fine (albeit that being disappointing) but he went about it the wrong way. He was given extensions which he didn't respect, THEN forfeited. Why wouldn't he just forfeit jn the first place? It was very unprofessional.
I doubt that Ilyes will get anywhere in and after university with that kind of mindset.
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So much disappointment... T_T
I guess my favourite players will remain HuK/HerO, even though I've now switched to zerg. I will want to see Stephano play some great games in IPL4, but I'd be rooting for HerO to win
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i dont think its a big deal when he lost to jjakji knowing he got no chance to advance.. argument "good train vs mma" is invalid...
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On April 04 2012 19:54 aTo wrote:
i dont think its a big deal when he lost to jjakji knowing he got no chance to advance.. argument "good train vs mma" is invalid...
What? He cant just forfeit everytime he has no chance of qualifying. Thorzain and IdrA finished of their games so why shouldn't Stephano. If he isnt going to finish his matches he shouldn't have accepted the invite.
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Hope Stephano is gonna give some apologies / justifications to his team/fans and to the Iron Squid organizers. But well this wouldn't be Stephano style so I guess he won't...
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he's 19 years old in an industry/"sport" that has no governing body that tells him what he can and can't do, cut the kid some slack, organisers of tourneys need to make it so that there are NO meaningless games, this can be done by having games played at the same time and/or hiding results
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On April 04 2012 20:25 mememolly wrote:
he's 19 years old in an industry/"sport" that has no governing body that tells him what he can and can't do, cut the kid some slack, organisers of tourneys need to make it so that there are NO meaningless games, this can be done by having games played at the same time and/or hiding results
Think before you write.
Games at the same time: You mean, Stephano needs to play behind four computers simultaneously, and also have equal lengths in all games? And how exactly do you hide results from the PLAYER HIMSELF?
This isn't to say one cannot have systems with no meaningless games, but it's pretty common in all sports to have systems with "meaningless games" (whatever that means, because fans often flock to them) because of external reasons.
As for 19, cut him some slack, esports is full of young people. MKP is much younger and was at the forefront in the reaction against such behaviour by Naniwa. If Stephano isn't mature enough, that's just unacceptable. Age has little to do with it.
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The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause.
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On April 04 2012 21:40 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 20:25 mememolly wrote:
he's 19 years old in an industry/"sport" that has no governing body that tells him what he can and can't do, cut the kid some slack, organisers of tourneys need to make it so that there are NO meaningless games, this can be done by having games played at the same time and/or hiding results Think before you write. Games at the same time: You mean, Stephano needs to play behind four computers simultaneously, and also have equal lengths in all games? And how exactly do you hide results from the PLAYER HIMSELF? This isn't to say one cannot have systems with no meaningless games, but it's pretty common in all sports to have systems with "meaningless games" (whatever that means, because fans often flock to them) because of external reasons. As for 19, cut him some slack, esports is full of young people. MKP is much younger and was at the forefront in the reaction against such behaviour by Naniwa. If Stephano isn't mature enough, that's just unacceptable. Age has little to do with it.
I'll ignore your insult, that is for the mods, gl with that.
Anyways, I think I might have to explain this for you as I know some people have a hard time understanding concepts that are new to them. Anyways, you hide the results of other games from the players, this is easier with an online group tourney, and you play all the player's final games at the same time, this means that players don't really know if they're out or not, the world cup had to do this because of "match fixing" and associated behavior in games that were "meaningless".
If you don't have empathy with a 19 year old that made a mistake then that is your choice as a human being and I feel sorry for you that you choose to condemn someone as opposed to giving them a chance
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On April 04 2012 07:41 aTo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 07:13 Invader.Zim wrote:
Stephano was never the type that really gave a fuck. That's why he is a genius... He's an amazing player who has many options and he's been taking the option he feels are right for him. He didn't start playing sc2 to please you guys... He did it because he realized he was talented and it's a way to make money...
Stephano is a great player and will always be one of my favorite. maybe some pple should think about this! i realy dont care about what stephano is doing - i dont care if he got sideshow hairs or if he's arrogant or gay (no he isn't) or whatever.. i'm a fan because i LOVE his playstyle and i LOVE watching his games
And we all love to watch his game and that's the issue here because he didn't show us his game and his playstyle.
Like Naniwa who didn't play vs Nestea, was so sad but atleast Naniwa apologized, we will see for Stephano.
I hope that every fan will think about this because supporting blindly this kind of behaviour is really bad for the entertainment.
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On April 04 2012 23:14 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 21:40 Ghanburighan wrote:On April 04 2012 20:25 mememolly wrote:
he's 19 years old in an industry/"sport" that has no governing body that tells him what he can and can't do, cut the kid some slack, organisers of tourneys need to make it so that there are NO meaningless games, this can be done by having games played at the same time and/or hiding results Think before you write. Games at the same time: You mean, Stephano needs to play behind four computers simultaneously, and also have equal lengths in all games? And how exactly do you hide results from the PLAYER HIMSELF? This isn't to say one cannot have systems with no meaningless games, but it's pretty common in all sports to have systems with "meaningless games" (whatever that means, because fans often flock to them) because of external reasons. As for 19, cut him some slack, esports is full of young people. MKP is much younger and was at the forefront in the reaction against such behaviour by Naniwa. If Stephano isn't mature enough, that's just unacceptable. Age has little to do with it. I'll ignore your insult, that is for the mods, gl with that. Anyways, I think I might have to explain this for you as I know some people have a hard time understanding concepts that are new to them. Anyways, you hide the results of other games from the players, this is easier with an online group tourney, and you play all the player's final games at the same time, this means that players don't really know if they're out or not, the world cup had to do this because of "match fixing" and associated behavior in games that were "meaningless". It's his very right to forfeit, but you have to realize it doesn't make it more respectful to the organizers nor to the spectators and players ( and there you might object that he doesn't have to care about us, but eh ). If you don't have empathy with a 19 year old that made a mistake then that is your choice as a human being and I feel sorry for you that you choose to condemn someone as opposed to giving them a chance
What insult ?
And by the way, you can't keep saying " he's 19 years old, he made a mistake, just forgive him already ". That's stupid and it has reached its limit. What will you do two years from now if he keeps playing ? " It's just a kid, he's 21 years old, cut him some slack " ? Long time ago, 19 years old people used to be considered adult and able to answer for their behavior.
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On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause.
Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up.
On April 04 2012 23:14 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 21:40 Ghanburighan wrote:On April 04 2012 20:25 mememolly wrote:
he's 19 years old in an industry/"sport" that has no governing body that tells him what he can and can't do, cut the kid some slack, organisers of tourneys need to make it so that there are NO meaningless games, this can be done by having games played at the same time and/or hiding results Think before you write. Games at the same time: You mean, Stephano needs to play behind four computers simultaneously, and also have equal lengths in all games? And how exactly do you hide results from the PLAYER HIMSELF? This isn't to say one cannot have systems with no meaningless games, but it's pretty common in all sports to have systems with "meaningless games" (whatever that means, because fans often flock to them) because of external reasons. As for 19, cut him some slack, esports is full of young people. MKP is much younger and was at the forefront in the reaction against such behaviour by Naniwa. If Stephano isn't mature enough, that's just unacceptable. Age has little to do with it. I'll ignore your insult, that is for the mods, gl with that. Anyways, I think I might have to explain this for you as I know some people have a hard time understanding concepts that are new to them. Anyways, you hide the results of other games from the players, this is easier with an online group tourney, and you play all the player's final games at the same time, this means that players don't really know if they're out or not, the world cup had to do this because of "match fixing" and associated behavior in games that were "meaningless". If you don't have empathy with a 19 year old that made a mistake then that is your choice as a human being and I feel sorry for you that you choose to condemn someone as opposed to giving them a chance
Mememolly I see these excuses coming out of you every time Stephano does something remotely controversial. You can't accept that Stephano does unpleasant things once in a while and you twist the account so that he is either "naive" or it's "the organizers' fault". If Stephano was sorry for what he did he should've apologized for not forfeiting the match immediately and wasting a lot of people's time. It's not like the Iron Squid organizers gave him a ridiculously short window of time anyway.
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On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up.
ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup.
The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss.
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On April 05 2012 01:48 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up. ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup. The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss.
ONOG and MSI Cup are not premier tournaments.
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On April 05 2012 01:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up. ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup. The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss. ONOG and MSI Cup are not premier tournaments.
No, but they are stable sources of income for Stephano, who hasn't won a premier tournament this year and is not going to given the competition he's facing - ie 20-30 top Koreans at every MLG and IPL. They're hurting him in the bank, which is where he doesn't want to be hurt. I think Stephano is being pushed, financially, to quit SC 2, and his own behavior is driving that push.
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On April 05 2012 01:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up. ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup. The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss. ONOG and MSI Cup are not premier tournaments.
No-one mentioned premier tournaments? Why is that relevant?
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USA mad
Korean Jelly
French master race dont give a fuck.
If stephano wants to forfeit games and damage his reputation with organizers, it's his problem. Same thing with, say, naniwa probe rushing a useless game. If anyone got something to say about their behaviour, it's surely not nerds entilted to their enjoyment.
Deal with it.
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On April 05 2012 01:56 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 05 2012 01:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up. ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup. The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss. ONOG and MSI Cup are not premier tournaments. No, but they are stable sources of income for Stephano, who hasn't won a premier tournament this year and is not going to given the competition he's facing - ie 20-30 top Koreans at every MLG and IPL. They're hurting him in the bank, which is where he doesn't want to be hurt. I think Stephano is being pushed, financially, to quit SC 2, and his own behavior is driving that push.
You act like Stephano needs to win these small-scale tournaments in order to pay his room and board. The entire reason he blew them off in the first place is that the amount of money/prestige offered didn't mean anything to him.
It's only April and he has already won 7 notable tournaments. He can't be expected to win at MLG and IPL when nobody can be explicitly favored anymore due to lots of Koreans. But his mere presence will generate more buzz, more foreigner/Korean dynamics, and ultimately more viewers. It's a good business decision for organizers to keep inviting him to events.
On April 05 2012 01:59 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 05 2012 01:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up. ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup. The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss. ONOG and MSI Cup are not premier tournaments. No-one mentioned premier tournaments? Why is that relevant?
Because premier tournaments are far different than small-scale tournaments. Assembly Winter, MLG, Dreamhack, GSL...they are businesses and they don't have the luxury to make decisions that will make them less money in the long run.
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On April 05 2012 02:02 PinkSoviet wrote:
USA mad
Korean Jelly
French master race dont give a fuck.
If stephano wants to forfeit games and damage his reputation with organizers, it's his problem. Same thing with, say, naniwa probe rushing a useless game. If anyone got something to say about their behaviour, it's surely not nerds entilted to their enjoyment.
Deal with it.
It's his choice. I'm just saying that he's pushing himself to retire. It's not that he is not able to make money in SC 2; it's that he's burned his bridges with the online cups that he gets a stable income from.
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On April 05 2012 02:05 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:56 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 05 2012 01:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 05 2012 01:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 04 2012 23:03 The_Darkness wrote:
The solution to this foreiting issue is tournament organizers need to stop inviting him to tournaments. If they know of the risk and invite him anyway (going forward), then no tears should be shed for them. Also I don't know how Millenium makes money off Stephano (whether he gives them a share of his streaming revenue or prize winnings, etc.) but I would imagine this doesn't help Millenium's bottom line. I also imagine this sort of behavior would breach some covenant in his contract with Millenium (although having never seen such a contract I'm only speculating). It seems like he's jerking Millenium around a little bit -- missing his match for the EGCup, MSI tournament, etc. If that's the case, Millenium might consider at least threatening Stephano with a lawsuit -- especially if he's not going to keep playing SC2. Of course, this is the nuclear option since no one reacts well to being threatened with legal action. But if I were in Llewelys's position I wouldn't want some immature kid to jerk me around, especially if he seems to be a bit of a lost cause. Can't stop inviting him to tournaments. There is neither enough new blood nor team/tournament fandom to do so. Due to his dominance in the EU scene, every event lacking Koreans would be considered invalid when EU's best player doesn't show up. ONOG didn't invite him back. Yeah, ONOG gave a PR answer for how they're still on good terms with Stephano, etc., and that it was the decision of Stephano and his team that he didn't attend the second ONOG, etc., but it's naive to think the forfeit didn't cost him. Same with the MSI Cup - Llewelys said after the forfeit that Stephano, along with Dimaga, who didn't show up, is not welcome in the next MSI Cup. The LANs have no reason to ban Stephano because he doesn't forfeit LANs - when he's at the event he fulfills his role as a player. It's the online cups that he's gained a habit of forfeiting whenever he doesn't feel like it. They are taking steps to ban him, and that's his loss. ONOG and MSI Cup are not premier tournaments. No, but they are stable sources of income for Stephano, who hasn't won a premier tournament this year and is not going to given the competition he's facing - ie 20-30 top Koreans at every MLG and IPL. They're hurting him in the bank, which is where he doesn't want to be hurt. I think Stephano is being pushed, financially, to quit SC 2, and his own behavior is driving that push. You act like Stephano needs to win these small-scale tournaments in order to pay his room and board. The entire reason he blew them off in the first place is that the amount of money/prestige offered didn't mean anything to him. It's only April and he has already won 7 notable tournaments. He can't be expected to win at MLG and IPL when nobody can be explicitly favored anymore due to lots of Koreans. But his mere presence will generate more buzz, more foreigner/Korean dynamics, and ultimately more viewers. It's a good business decision for organizers to keep inviting him to events.
Not for room and board, but they're extra sources of income, and were stable sources. It adds up.
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