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On May 09 2013 13:45 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 13:01 oogieogie wrote:On May 09 2013 11:52 Defacer wrote:
A lot of young comedians set themselves up to not try as hard, for instance half-improving a set on stage — so if they fail, they can pretend they weren't really trying or don't care anyways.
I still think IdrA privately cares, but pretends not to give a shit when he fails as a defense mechanism. It's something a lot of young people do, but it's a routine that's getting old. the fact that he isn't performing is fine, but what he said is the real nail in the coffin for me being a idra supporter. hopefully his attitude changes or else i dont see idra playing for much longer. That seemed really self destructive, more than insulting. I could tell Idra was dealing with the stress of WCS poorly before that. I don't think he hates his fans. I think he don't know how to deal with the pressure, and is so aware of it he sets himself up to fail. It's most like he wants his back to the wall,. But he need a coach, that is for sure
of course he doesnt hate his fans he loves us jsut look at the front page
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On May 09 2013 12:35 j4vz wrote:
IdrA is a really good player, could have taken down Polt but seems like he didnt know he was so ahead... and turtled instead of attacking.. about the game against Revival i feel like IdrA played like on the ladder and he streams all day long to get money so Revival probably knew exactly what to do.
he managed to squeeze a drones lead in both games and had more lings to support the mutalisks, I dont know if IdrA actually was prepared for the ZvZ, beside game #1 against polt, i felt like the other game were the kind of game he would play on the ladder... i dont know what happened... maybe he got discouraged, i dont know,
anyway I think IdrA need to change his preparation approach, because its doesnt seems to work, playing a lot of hour is great but maybe there is something else that need to be done to prepare better for next time.
Idra does not have good game sense
it's been a weakness of his since BW
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IdrA used to be one of my favorite players and I felt he was one of the stronger representatives for Zerg early in SC2. I can't support him quitting out of games so early and often though. My issue is that I feel like IdrA takes a similar approach to tournament games as to ladder games, where if he seems behind or disadvantaged, it's no big deal to quit out and start the next game, except on ladder nothing but ladder rating is at stake, and you're supposed to try and gut out wins in competition. Losing is excusable but not even trying, particularly with a max army and max tech, is not excusable. It's particularly hard to take after watching Suppy gut out that Hero Ultralisk game the other day.
Really though, even in ladder, scrapping out the occasional underdog win allows you to practice techniques of coming from behind, taking chances etc., if you never try to scrap it out you will never learn how to do it.
Other players I think get more of a pass on quitting early after a fumbled roach all-in because we've seen them gut out games and get surprising wins before. We don't expect to ever see IdrA get that kind of inspiring win because no one expects him to do anything but quit when he perceives himself to be significantly behind or disadvantaged, or at best go through the motions. Pretty sad.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
Hey everyone.
I feel the need to post this thread after reading some really hateful comments after the WCS AM today and put forward a more measured perspective.
I agree that Idra should not have left game 1 vs polt, however he had gone from a completely won game, having played really well against one of the best korean players to a lost game. Think how that would effect anyone's emotions, I understand he should have better control of his emotions and play it out and gg but please consider how he would have felt mentally.
After this he lost the next game to polt and then Revival. Two incredibly good Korean Players, would it really be surprising if any foreigner in this WCS lost to Polt and Revival? I think not.
I understand that it was wrong of Idra not to say gg, but I also can't imagine the stresses he has to deal with. Probably stresses greater than any player in the scene.
So considering these points, is it fair to make posts asking to totally boycott his stream and get him kicked off his team? Or making comments calling him unskilled and pathetic.
I would say that it isn't fair.
If you really have a problem with what he did then don't watch his stream, sure, but don't make a post about it and jump on the hater bandwagon, it isn't a proportionate response consider what actually occured and also consider the strains he is under.
As for criticising his skill and saying he is pathetic, well Idra is still one of the best foreign players, he beat Roro and Stephano and played really well vs Rain. As for this group, he played Polt one of the best terrans in the world and had game 1 in the bag. Followed by Revival a great zerg. Someone has to go 0-2 and plenty of other players in this WCS went 0-2, arguably against easier opponent. Based on this is it really reasonable to attack someones skill and personality and use really poisonous, hateful language.
So in conclusion, yes what Idra did was wrong, but don't just jump to hate and be measured in your response, I think a lot of people should be ashamed of the really hateful and negative things they said which were totally out of proportion.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
That's all well and good but didn't he call his own fans fucks?
Notwithstanding that, in the days of yore Idra was one of the few foreign players capable of hanging with the Koreans, some of my favourite SC memories are from those halcyon days. Hope he can return to that one day
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No bashing of him, but guys lets face it idra's gone. . .unless he changed his thought processing or otherwise evaluate himself more and focus more on to passion about the winning the game than simply playing it, he can no longer stay in the starcraft scene. He is on the decline no longer can he provide quality games for his fans and for his team. He needs a game change in terms of perspective and perhaps motivational support. More effort, more practice, more creativity i don't know what he needs but a game change on his mind set and the drive to conquer and beat others is the only thing he should prioritize as for the moment, so is more love to his fans and supporters. Stop defending a broken player who is stubborn enough not realizing what is he heading into, he also need to help himself in some way.
Quote and quote from his team mate who is on the decline to0, but at least knows and really knows that when its time to go its time to go:
. . . Who likes Idra???
Mr bitter : a lot of people LOL!! come on man! , but he is your team mate?
. . . well i mean yeah! but Everybody knows he's some kind of a d1ck!
Mr bitter : let's change gears quickly. . .
That truth hurts guys but instead of whining and being butthurt why not proactively take it as a challenge and prove to the world what idra guy can do. . .Flame on me, but i think this will help him more rather than praise and empty defense for his lackluster play..
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Oh god Mr Fields you are breaking this fan's heart 
Still love ya
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On May 09 2013 15:34 mr_zarkasam wrote:
No bashing of him, but guys lets face it idra's gone. . .unless he changed his thought processing or otherwise evaluate himself more and focus more on to passion about the winning the game than simply playing it, he can no longer stay in the starcraft scene. He is on the decline no longer can he provide quality games for his fans and for his team. He needs a game change in terms of perspective and perhaps motivational support. More effort, more practice, more creativity i don't know what he needs but a game change on his mind set and the drive to conquer and beat others is the only thing he should prioritize as for the moment, so is more love to his fans and supporters. Stop defending a broken player who is stubborn enough not realizing what is he heading into, he also need to help himself in some way.
Quote and quote from his team mate who is on the decline to0, but at least knows and really knows that when its time to go its time to go:
. . . Who likes Idra???
Mr bitter : a lot of people LOL!! come on man! , but he is your team mate?
. . . well i mean yeah! but Everybody knows he's some kind of a d1ck!
Mr bitter : let's change gears quickly. . .
That truth hurts guys but instead of whining and being butthurt why not proactively take it as a challenge and prove to the world what idra guy can do. . .Flame on me, but i think this will help him more rather than praise and empty defense for his lackluster play..
''The truth hurts''
Are you serious? Are you for real? You really take that from the Stephano quote?
You have one post, so you have already been banned once, don't need to flame you more.
Idra's play was anything but lackluster, he has barely played any games, and now people base everything off two series.
You can't win all the time, but I am looking forward to his next games as I always do.
No other player has even come close to how much emotion Idra playing has given me.
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i will never stop being his fan and everybody else can just go and fuck off
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On May 09 2013 17:13 Fortii wrote:
i will never stop being his fan and everybody else can just go and fuck off
^ You guys remember Eminem's "Stan"? This guy is Greg's Stan.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
Why?
There's a difference between being a fan and rooting for your guy, as I do for Mr Fields, and just blindfolding yourself, sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'blablabla I'm not listening'. Idra, imho needs a massive boot up the hole from management, not basing this off his series in WCS, but his behaviour in recent months.
I say this as I want to see him return to former glories.
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On May 09 2013 17:16 Wombat_NI wrote:
Why?
There's a difference between being a fan and rooting for your guy, as I do for Mr Fields, and just blindfolding yourself, sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'blablabla I'm not listening'. Idra, imho needs a massive boot up the hole from management, not basing this off his series in WCS, but his behaviour in recent months.
I say this as I want to see him return to former glories.
Have you been in a coma or something?
''what is management doing? What is management doing?''
Shieses christ, they even sent him to a sportpsychologist
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Well, let's do it short. Keep on ! I don't think you pay attention to haters but ... sometimes a friendly message is welcome 
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At this point, I can't call myself a fan of his anymore. I don't dislike him but he has made it impossible for me to root for him. I'm think Machine made a good point earlier and said that hes worried about IdrA's mental state. I think its possible that he has issues beyond just anger management. Possibly some sort of mental illness.
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IDRA: ... You CAN do it man !!... Show the WORLD you are the best Zerg from US !!.... Train Harder !!... Go to a Sports Psychologist ... Go to Korea to train with Coach Park.
You have 1 of the best team with some amazing practice partners
You have and amazing Mechanics same level of the best korean
Learn some new builds, practice harders with the very top and go and kick some ass to all tournaments!
You owns that to us your fans!
GL&HF
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On May 09 2013 17:11 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 15:34 mr_zarkasam wrote:
No bashing of him, but guys lets face it idra's gone. . .unless he changed his thought processing or otherwise evaluate himself more and focus more on to passion about the winning the game than simply playing it, he can no longer stay in the starcraft scene. He is on the decline no longer can he provide quality games for his fans and for his team. He needs a game change in terms of perspective and perhaps motivational support. More effort, more practice, more creativity i don't know what he needs but a game change on his mind set and the drive to conquer and beat others is the only thing he should prioritize as for the moment, so is more love to his fans and supporters. Stop defending a broken player who is stubborn enough not realizing what is he heading into, he also need to help himself in some way.
Quote and quote from his team mate who is on the decline to0, but at least knows and really knows that when its time to go its time to go:
. . . Who likes Idra???
Mr bitter : a lot of people LOL!! come on man! , but he is your team mate?
. . . well i mean yeah! but Everybody knows he's some kind of a d1ck!
Mr bitter : let's change gears quickly. . .
That truth hurts guys but instead of whining and being butthurt why not proactively take it as a challenge and prove to the world what idra guy can do. . .Flame on me, but i think this will help him more rather than praise and empty defense for his lackluster play.. No other player has even come close to how much emotion Idra playing has given me.
same for me, when idra plays stuff gets 10 times more exciting.
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On May 09 2013 15:23 Wombat_NI wrote:
That's all well and good but didn't he call his own fans fucks?
As far as I understood it, it wasn't aimed at his fans, but people in the community in general. I could be wrong, though.
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If I was coach for Idra I would suggest something along the lines..
Take a month off, go somewhere, eat good, read a book, chill out, have sex.
Then take a week to analyze why nothing has been working out for the last 6 months. Look at some successful zergs, try new builds and start practicing. I would stop streaming for ~2 months and get a smurf account. Remove the pressure of performing and start grinding on EU or KR ladder. Stop thinking that you are the best and let the result show it.
Thing is that Idra is actually really good, as we saw in game 1 against polt. Just that hid mindset is so detrimental to his play. Idra does not need to practice more because it is not his skill that prevents him from winning.
Anyway I think this could be a good practice regime for him. If it doesn't work I would call it. Alternatively he can go full Destiny mode but I seriously doubt he would find it very satisfactory in the long run.
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People love drama...as long as you provide drama...'s'all good
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