EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 6379
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On May 26 2019 04:38 Toadesstern wrote: for Numy. You only have to watch the first 45seconds "Pretty sure 02 is the only waifu who can claim to be a space ship" *clicks X button* | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On May 26 2019 05:38 Numy wrote: Isn't he the dude that said some kak about there being no modern classics. 3-gatsu hello????????? Anime youtubers suck. Please Toad. Don't insult people like that, it's too mean. edit: I don't think I've watched enough seasonal anime to know who half these people are. Eh, Gigguk did have a somber tone in the video but he does point accurately that Classics can only really be judged based on their staying power and that's hard to gauge in the present. Although, he does have a strong bias against calling SAO a modern classic when it's really hard to say that it isn't based on how influential and popular it was and still is. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
I don't view "classic" that way though. Quality is important. 3-gatsu is arguably the best combination of production and writing we've seen in over a decade. Actually using the medium to aid storytelling or be the storytelling itself instead of copy pasting manga panels is it's big strength. I think you could make a case of Hibike Euphonium but it's a bit too flawed. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
So in that sense, I'd absolutely agree that SAO is going to end up a "classic" in maybe 5 or so years. Maybe it already is. Has nothing to do with my opinion on wether or not I personally think it's worth a watch. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
You see this to some extent in other media but it's not as prevalent I think. Otherwise stuff like the Transformers/Marvel movies would be heralded as these great classics by the same logic as SAO and co. LoGH would never be regarded as a classic then under current community if it were to be release today. A niche piece without wide appeal doesn't have enough market penetration to meet the communities metrics. So makes sense 3-gatsu isn't and may not be regarded that way too. edit: A lot of this is size too. Prob find you have same % people in most media being casual/critical/halfway etc. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
Classics are not debateable things. They either are, or they are not. SAO will be remembered as a classic for the same reason Eva is. It changed the landscape of the medium and influenced countless shows that came after it. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On May 27 2019 05:43 Sentenal wrote: SAO isn't a must see or a classic. Not only is is garbage, it doesn't actually bring anything new or worthwhile to the medium. What new things did SAO bring? How did it change anime? Answer: it brought nothing and changed nothing Oh really? Do you just like to think that the Isekai genre doesn't exist? Do you like to rather think that SAO had nothing to do with that trend? In all forms of entertainment, whenever a single act popularizes an entire genre within the medium it almost always results in something that most consider a classic. Nirvana did this with grunge, Iron Man did this with the MCU. It doesn't matter how you feel about the quality of whatever it was that did this, plenty of people don't like Nirvana, what matters is the influence that act had on what came after it. Isekai EXPLODED after SAO came out. It is actually impossible to ignore how influential it has been over the last 7 years. It also helps that it has been a tremendous commercial success and is very popular in the West. It ranks third on MAL most popular, and even just today I saw on the subreddit that a professional wrestler came out in Kirito's outfit from SAO. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
SAO didn't even codify the genre since it was so poorly written it didn't have any internal consistency. If anything by this reasoning K-ON and Lucky Star are the true modern classics. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On May 27 2019 06:05 Vindicare605 wrote: Oh really? Do you just like to think that the Isekai genre doesn't exist? Do you like to rather think that SAO had nothing to do with that trend? In all forms of entertainment, whenever a single act popularizes an entire genre within the medium it almost always results in something that most consider a classic. Nirvana did this with grunge, Iron Man did this with the MCU. It doesn't matter how you feel about the quality of whatever it was that did this, plenty of people don't like Nirvana, what matters is the influence that act had on what came after it. Isekai EXPLODED after SAO came out. It is actually impossible to ignore how influential it has been over the last 7 years. It also helps that it has been a tremendous commercial success and is very popular in the West. It ranks third on MAL most popular, and even just today I saw on the subreddit that a professional wrestler came out in Kirito's outfit from SAO. Isekai in anime has been both popular and has existed since even before the 80s. SAO didn't create it, or popularize it, or bring anything new to it. Its one of the most long running tropes in not only anime, but fiction. On a related note, its things like this why you can't listen to anything that SAO fans say On May 27 2019 07:26 Numy wrote: Isekai genre has existed for decades before SAO. Wtf. We had stuff like .hack, 12 Kingdoms and even some Ghibli films. SAO didn't even codify the genre since it was so poorly written it didn't have any internal consistency. If anything by this reasoning K-ON and Lucky Star are the true modern classics. Those are indeed examples, and just a few of them. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On May 27 2019 07:26 Numy wrote: Isekai genre has existed for decades before SAO. Wtf. We had stuff like .hack, 12 Kingdoms and even some Ghibli films. SAO didn't even codify the genre since it was so poorly written it didn't have any internal consistency. If anything by this reasoning K-ON and Lucky Star are the true modern classics. Sure it existed, but it was nowhere close to the level of popularity that it has today. You could go all the way back to the Chronicles of Narnia if you want to discuss how old the idea of an isekai is, but as a major genre of anime, that's something that only came around once SAO aired. Seriously Sentenal you are just in denial. It's been a well known fact for a long time that the boom of Isekai in the last few years is thanks to SAO. You can even look at what KIND of worlds people are being transported to these days. They are all RPG worlds. That is something that is completely brand new in the world of anime. Sure .hack did it but that was a one off for a show that wasn't ever that popular. You see once SAO comes out a gigantic flood of RPG related isekai shows hit the scene. One every season now too, we had Slime last season and Shield Hero this season with a new one coming out every season. That's SAO's influence. It's not .hack's and it's definitely not as old as something like Inuyasha from the 90's. You know what screw it. Just watch Gigguk, he's already settled this topic. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On May 27 2019 07:26 Numy wrote: Isekai genre has existed for decades before SAO. Wtf. We had stuff like .hack, 12 Kingdoms and even some Ghibli films. SAO didn't even codify the genre since it was so poorly written it didn't have any internal consistency. If anything by this reasoning K-ON and Lucky Star are the true modern classics. Oh and for the record. K-ON is probably also gonna be considered a classic too. I haven't even seen the damn show, but I know what kind of influence it has had. | ||
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Sentenal
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On May 27 2019 08:43 Sentenal wrote: And all that stuff has been going on for decades. Its not my fault if you don't know what sort of anime was around in the 80s, 90s or 00s. Isekai is not new, and its certainly not because of SAO, and neither is Isekai with RPG elements I'm as old as you dude, (probably) I didn't say that SAO INVENTED, isekai, you're just choosing to interpret it that way. I'm saying that SAO exploded Isekai in popularity in such a way that it has dominated the landscape of popular anime. And sincerely, if you're saying that it didn't you're just being irrational. SAO's mainstream success catapulted the genre and we haven't yet exited the era that is has dominated. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Doesn't mean the SAO author suddenly woke up in the middle of the night and came up with something completly new himself. He surely got his inspiration somewhere and thought about how to give that something a new touch and that's how SAO came to be but to ignore the influence it had on the Anime & LN (Manga?) industry in recent years is just delusional. Just to pick some things most people probably heard about in the last 1 or 2 years because they made it into the news one way or another: Such gems as "In Another World With My Smartphone" or the one with the 2 girls who tried to summon someone and the guy is super op so they become his slaves would not have happened without SAO. Not saying that I like those or SAO for that matter, but it's a different kind of isekai that was made popular and resulted in all these bland titles being churned out one after the other because it sells. And then you get all the LN authors who try to win over each other after realizing that it is indeed quite bland to write yet another random isekai, by throwing a wrench into that whole thing somehow so you end up with people reincarnated as a vending machine, or an onsen bath or just the super long title kind of thing à la SukaSuka ("Shuumatsu Nani Shitemasu ka? Isogashii Desu ka? Sukutte Moratte Ii Desu ka?") to catch people's eyes. Because there's so much Isekai out there these days you have to do some shit like that to get noticed. I don't think we'd have any of these in that form without SAO. The sheer mass of isekai being pumped out each and every year is just on another level, especially in the LN market, which results in these silly things authors do to differentiate themselves because clearly putting cute girls on the cover isn't enough when 99% of series do that. Hell, I remember an award from one of the big publishers last year that was trying to find new authors and a story or two they could publish that specifically went out of it's way, for the first time ever, and gave some restrictions on what kind of story would be allowed for submissions. Specifically they banned all Isekai stories because they had just too many and wanted something else for a change. Also yes, I'd agree that K-ON is absolutely a classic | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
This along with Camelot is going to be so freaking good if they adapt it properly. I hope they do the final singularity after. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 28 2019 01:52 Slaughter wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjYM95OtK28 This along with Camelot is going to be so good if they adapt it properly. i feel like that's going to be so hard to adapt. There's so much shit going on all the time. No idea how they plan to do that. Like you said the other day, there's constantly some large scale battle going on somewhere and so much stuff people liked that they'd get angry if it's left out. Just imagine an adaptation without MC bodyslamming quetz for example. So many minor things like that that people liked while at the same time so much big things going on all the time that you obviously can't leave out either. | ||
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