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On January 02 2011 07:55 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 06:38 FragKrag wrote:What I loved about LoGH most was that while there were a million characters randomly introduced, they always served a purpose and for the most part were instantly recognizable rather than just filler characters Later on as characters became more interesting and complex, their deaths were really sad  Up to ep 90ish spoilers: + Show Spoiler +I know exactly what you mean. Like Fahrenheit and Steinmetz. For one, I didn't expect Fahrenheit to die, and secondly, I didn't expect to care about Steinmetz getting killed! When he was first introduced, he was just a generic admiral. And Yang almost drove him into a black hole (at least I think that was Steinmetz?). And then I actually cared about him when he died. And then there is Lutz. Just some noob who Yang stole Iserlohn from a second time. And then, he gets engaged, and goes out like a complete badass saving Reinhart. I cared about Lutz before I even knew it!
Then there is Yang's death, which took me completely by surprise, and many manly tears were shed... I know exactly what deaths you guys are referring to... You people are making me sad all over again.  Show nested quote +If anyone starts assuring people they'll come back from a battle alive, or if the show starts trying to make you care about a character that was previously irrelevant, odds are they're dead in the next 5 eps. + Show Spoiler +I used to think that, but if that was true then people like Muller, Mittermeyer, or Reuenthal would have died a long time ago. Alot of the relevant characters emerge from irrelevancy in this show. I even thought that Mitteremeyer and his wife was going to get assassined when she arrived on Phezzan, but so far nothing. It was definitely true for Lutz, though.
+ Show Spoiler +Yea that got around to the peak of the show iirc, but there is still more to come ;_;
Fahrenehit and Lutz in particular were really tragic to me. Both weren't major characters by a long shot, but they were important enough for me to have an emotional tie to them, and when they died it was just terrible
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So I stayed up till 6 am on New Year's Eve watching the first 18 episodes of Shiki. It was somewhat of an exhausting blitz so I'm sure I'll need to rewatch it to treat it properly, but I just finished it and here are my thoughts:
+ Show Spoiler + As I mentioned previously, the dread ramped up pretty quickly from the outset. We are painted pictures of the characters rapidly as well. Some grow, some do not, some aren't allowed to. The art is solid. It isn't my favorite style, but it's presented well enough to be convincing and enthralling. The scoring blends in very well, and dictates energy, suspense, complacency with a subtle hand.
Suspense really is the source of momentum for most of the beginning of the show. We follow the heroes' realizations and reactions, we learn their mettle, and we confront the shock of death repeatedly with them until we too are inured to it. The vague dread of nameless misfortune transforms into the more palpable dread of wholesale death without resistance. We go from lamenting the weakness of individual lives to fearing the fragility of entire communities, seeing that they can be crushed entirely without even realizing it.
I felt that the middle of the series felt a bit slow to be honest. As I mentioned, at some point (maybe only for myself, watching this continuously, sleeplessly) we become inured to the shock of death and treat the village's destruction as part of a slow, quiet revolution. We realize we are simply seeing the shiki build order unfold, and any scouts have been blinded by optic flare, mind controlled, or shot down entirely.
I was excited when Ozaki sensei dissected his undead wife because I knew it would lead up to the screenshot Thratur posted as a teaser. We witness here the dichotomy between Ozaki and Muroi's essential natures. Ozaki sees the shiki as an affront to life, his duty, his people. He observes, experiments, and goes on to purge the shiki like a disease. Muroi sees the shiki as animate representations of philosophical problems he's wrestled with in his writing. He speaks, listens, teaches, learns, and goes on only to save his one teacher and student.
The trap Ozaki and Natsuno sprung to declare open warfare with their own first blood was both satisfying and pitiful, to whatever extent the show established Chizuru, and shiki themselves, to be pitiable. I personally feel that soldiers, whatever they may be accorded, should not be pitied for being slain in war. Of course, soldiers can harbor specific emotions to sympathize with, but as Sunako said, "tokubetsu ni hidoi shi wa nai."
The events of the war itself were mostly expected, and at this point all the characters had grown and shown as much as they ever would. Some satisfying growth: Touru helping Ritsuko and himself depart nobly, Sunako resigning to the burden of being abandoned, and Muroi learning the freedom of the same.
Finally my one criticism. Of course every man is home to a font of complaints to be issued endlessly on any topic, but this is the one I'll write here. We are presented characters. We are presented situations. We are taught via their behaviors and their reactions to calamities, personal and overarching, what these characters are as people and concepts. And to me it seemed that they stayed that way. Most of the cast did not change. For example, the entire array of Megumi's feelings and core motivations were revealed at the outset. We develop a deeper understanding of what she represents as she journeys on, but she never surprises us. She never synthesizes these ridiculous challenges into some new understanding.
That's fine of course. In every story, some characters are not meant to evolve or unfold as different. The ones that did in Shiki (Ozaki, Muroi, Kaori, Natsuno, Chizuru, Sunako, Touru imo) were very satisfying to watch. I'm only complaining because I would've loved to see characters like Tatsumi or Megumi surprise me. Even among the changing characters, some changes I felt were a bit jarring. Kaori's snapping was abrupt, as we never see the situation actually gnawing at her until she's alone. Natsuno's motivations as a jinrou also felt like they were written from air, instead of having a natural genesis from his motivations before death (dreams of escape, coexistence.)
Overall I'm very satisfied with the show. I actually want to watch more horror or suspense now because it was such a good watch.
I might start LoGH with you guys so I can chime in on whatever you touch on there. My roommate saw it a while back and recommended it. I really don't dig retro style animation so I hope I can bear with that and appreciate everything else.
Finally I saw Pale Cocoon the other day and really recommend it to anyone who likes anime.
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Should I watch Shiki? I'm tempted to start.
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LoGH 11:
+ Show Spoiler +I thought that Annerose went to the palace to be a maid or something, not a concubine. But, I feel so bad for Susanne. She went from being the Kaiser's girl to being the old wife that gets abandoned for the young girl. I don't blame her for being upset.
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So, I was bored and a friend suggested I watch school days, promising that it had a riveting finale, so I watched it. To be honest I skipped episodes 6-8 because it was kind of boring. Then I watched 12, all I have to say is what the hell? Having seen the beginning of the series a resolution like that is the last thing I expected.
While I'm at it, can someone suggest some good anime to watch? I'm a bit tired of the depressing slice of life ones (things like Clannad, H2O ~Footprints in the Sand~ and such) so something with plenty of action would be preferable
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Does anyone know a romance anime where the two leads are on opposite factions of a war?
Kinda like Romeo and Juliet.
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On January 02 2011 15:41 shadesofkarma wrote: Does anyone know a romance anime where the two leads are on opposite factions of a war?
Kinda like Romeo and Juliet.
Basilisk.
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LoGH 12:
+ Show Spoiler +Fuck this Commodore Fork guy. He's gonna get the Alliance destroyed. I have a feeling that with Iserlohn cut off, the Empire will try to attack through Phezzan. I wonder how that would work out.
It was nice to see the High Council meeting, and see just how the top of the Alliance government works. Nice abuse of power too. "We're stuck in a traffic jam. Call in a helicopter!"
And why does everyone hate Reinhard? Ignoring social status, he's the best fucking admiral in the entire Empire.
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I recently caught A random episode of Noein and it seemed kinda interesting can anyone find me a reliable source to watch English subbed episodes?
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On January 02 2011 15:51 Retgery wrote: I recently caught A random episode of Noein and it seemed kinda interesting can anyone five me a reliable source to watch English subbed episodes?
http://myanimelist.net/anime/584/Noein:_Mou_Hitori_no_Kimi_e
Scroll down to where it says "Fansubbing groups."
Then you just need to torrent the episodes.
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Noein is good o/ I highly recommend it in case you were having any doubts :3
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On January 02 2011 15:47 Ferrose wrote:LoGH 12: + Show Spoiler +Fuck this Commodore Fork guy. He's gonna get the Alliance destroyed. I have a feeling that with Iserlohn cut off, the Empire will try to attack through Phezzan. I wonder how that would work out.
It was nice to see the High Council meeting, and see just how the top of the Alliance government works. Nice abuse of power too. "We're stuck in a traffic jam. Call in a helicopter!"
And why does everyone hate Reinhard? Ignoring social status, he's the best fucking admiral in the entire Empire.
+ Show Spoiler +They hate Reinhard because he is the best admiral in the empire and because he has no noble blood aside from his sister who is just in their mind a playtoy of the emperor. They think the only reason he got his position was because of his sister.
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On January 02 2011 16:23 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 15:47 Ferrose wrote:LoGH 12: + Show Spoiler +Fuck this Commodore Fork guy. He's gonna get the Alliance destroyed. I have a feeling that with Iserlohn cut off, the Empire will try to attack through Phezzan. I wonder how that would work out.
It was nice to see the High Council meeting, and see just how the top of the Alliance government works. Nice abuse of power too. "We're stuck in a traffic jam. Call in a helicopter!"
And why does everyone hate Reinhard? Ignoring social status, he's the best fucking admiral in the entire Empire. + Show Spoiler +They hate Reinhard because he is the best admiral in the empire and because he has no noble blood aside from his sister who is just in their mind a playtoy of the emperor. They think the only reason he got his position was because of his sister.
+ Show Spoiler +They also have a good inkling of his intentions (regarding them) and know that he's a huge threat to everything about them. I mean, they're "useless" but they're not idiots. They know what's going on in his mind regarding the power structure of the empire. It's a bit like, hmm, Julius Caesar.
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On January 02 2011 16:20 Southlight wrote: Noein is good o/ I highly recommend it in case you were having any doubts :3 I second this, always good to promote something as underrated as Noein.
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Does anyone know a romance anime where the two leads are on opposite factions of a war?
Kinda like Romeo and Juliet.
Watch Romeo x Juliet. (No I'm not trolling or anything, there is an anime called Romeo x Juliet and from reviews I've read it's really good).
Wow, sweet this thread is not as inactive nor un-spoiler-tagged than I thought it would be.
Anyways after a long hiatus of watching some of the best of the best (Death Note, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Code Geass, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Clannad, and to a lesser extent, Toradora! and the classic Trigun, all of which I highly recommend) I finally found a decent anime (ignoring Haruhi/K-ON rofl) called Seitokai Yakuindomo, abbreviated SYD.
It's the typical harem setting, but it's not a harem. It's 95% comedy, with just a tad of appeal to the romance genre. And 95% of the comedy is sexual-related puns/jokes, slapstick style. Except the twist is, the girls are the ones that are "perverse" rather than the guy. There's nothing actually mature in the show (visually) other than heavily censored and pixelized images for humor and the typical subtle fanservice.
Anyone else been watching SYD? On episode 7 now
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Wow. I've never heard of that show. But after reading that and the description on MAL, that definitely sounds like it's worth a watch xD
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SYD was a pretty good anime if you're ok with the humor. Imo it's a very love/hate anime
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Haha. Never hearing it before is what appealed to me too. I've been asking my friend who keeps up to date with recent anime if there were any animes anywhere near as good as the ones I've watched. He listed a few the last time I asked, and decided to check this one out just because I never heard/read of it xD.
Oh yeah, another reason why I like it is because JCStaff's animation (visual) quality is better than average. Not as good as Kyoto Animation I'd say, but it's solid and I like the generally standard styles.
Another note... there's no violence in the show, lol. Although MAL's rating says R for violence and profanity.
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Just finished Legend of the Galactic Heroes. It was one of the best animes I have ever seen. The plot, the characters, the feel of the entire show was great. They really don't make anime like that anymore. There were so many good characters in this show, and even characters you thought were minor or insignificant show up in meaningful ways, and you ever start to care about them before you realize it. The battles were huge and well thought out, and above all else, were entertaining without relying on well animated action sequences like so many shows do now days. Thoughts on characters+spoilers: + Show Spoiler +Reinhard: My favorite from the show, since he was essentially the main character. Following him for 110 episodes was a real treat. Space Napoleon was so deep as a character, he was like the perfect combination between ambition, perfection, and human. Reinhard really did personify the Imperial-side characters in this show, with his power and badassness. When he was escaping from that assassination attempt early in the last season, and rose up and made those would-be assassins shit their pants was so great.
Yang: His death at the end of season 3 really surprised me. He was Reinhard's equal and opposite in so many ways. Tactically, no one was superior in this show. Just as how Reinhard represented the Imperial-side characters, Yang represented the Alliance side. Very idealistic, very likable, he was like an every-day person who rose up to the challenge when history demanded.
Kircheis: It seems like it was forever ago when he died. His death was the first time in the show I really knew I cared for these characters. He was just so nice, and so good at the things he was doing. I felt that he and Reinhard would stay together for the entire show... And then he died. It was one of the saddest parts of the anime, if not THE saddest.
Julian: I actually got to watch Julian grow up into a Mini-Yang in this show. I didn't expect that when I first met him. I thought that I wouldn't like the kid when he first showed up, but before I knew it, he was a fighter pilot, and then he was killing people with axes, and ordering fleets around.
Mittermeyer: My favorite non-Reinhard character. His battle against Reuenthal was easily his high point. He was strong willed, talented in combat, loyal to his friends and family, and you could really feel his pain when he fought against his best friend. I first knew I would like him during the battle of Amlitzer.
Reuenthal: Another badass character. He was a very tragic person. He was essentially forced into rebellion when he had been loyal, and was forced to fight against his best friend. Not to mention all the stuff with his childhood.
Schenkopp: The most badass character on the alliance side. Made sense though, since he was originally from the empire. He slaughtered many people with a battle axe, and when he was doing that, was simply an enjoyable character to watch. RIP you died a good death.
Bittenfeld: Unlike all the other Imperial admirals, he was all like RAWR CHARGE. He punched out Oberstein. I like.
Kesler: The guy didn't get too much time to shine, but when he got to do stuff, he was great at it. Him saving Hilda and Annarosa at the end was great. He also seemed like the most human of all of Reinhard's admirals, with that early part in season 1 where he had to take the supplies off the planets predeeding the Alliance's advance.
Lutz: I don't know when I started to like him, but I knew I did when he died in glory.
Muller: Muller another extremely likable guy. He started out as a noob, but he really shined at the Battle of Vermillion. Its only too bad that after the battle, Reinhard used him mostly as a rear guard, for better or worse.
Eisenach: ...
Poplan: The guy was very funny, I'm glad he survived.
Wahlen: Him and his fake arm were badass. I liked him.
Karin: Hottest girl in the show.
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Bittenfeld was quite the character indeed
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I really liked the ending of LoGH as well. One of the few animes that I can say ended very, very well.
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