Anime Discussion Thread - Page 554

Didn't really expect Togame to just get shot a few times, even though princess Hitei hinted at this. I actually somewhat expected a more standard "hey! it's a happy ending!" ending, but this was much more satisfying, I think.

It seems like we already had some treachery going on in the empire. Much more will happen I guess, but I wonder how far it's gonna go.

On the alliance side, the whole "economic" discussion made me laugh. It's not something that the empire would care about, considering their structure. But the alliance has no time to consider economic options. Either the Empire rapes them, either you rape them. For the moment, at least. Iserlorn or not. At least that's how I see it.

The show would've been better if there was more crazy in it.





SERVES YOU RIGHT YOU UNGRATEFUL BASTARD. GOD YOU'RE A JERK.

I too think it's a very smart anime, and the moral+story+hero ending up being more "good" than Kira and his plans in Death Note. I also disliked Suzaku, not hate but dislike. He's annoying. But I think the director sort of wanted us to even feel that way, because Lelouch probably feels the same.

HOWEVER. I would just like to ask. Do you fully understand the ending? If you didn't think "omg wait what?" at the very end, I think you might want to figure it out yourself if you decide to watch it a second time. If you'd like to know you can google I guess or ask here xD

I'd like to state, that for me the ending starts at ep.22:
1) By doing what he did he accomplished his goal. He "took revenge" revenge for his mother's death on his father and VV.
2) By becoming Emperor he effectively turned the whole world into his enemy. His former allies despised him for it, and he could lay the foundations to lay a crippling blow to the Britannia Empire with his own death.
3) He outplayed Dietheart. He knew himself very well that "Zero" wasn't a person but an icon. He made sure the Emperor was killed by "Zero" so the world would still have it's hero. Effectively here, he played the role of the Messiah that died for everyone's sins and for freedom.
4) He used Geass on his sister (last person alive he cared deeply about) and became a tyrant, so no one would weep for his death.
5) By capturing the fortress and the FLEYAs he made sure they couldn't be used.

Ultimately, with his death be brought the world the peace it desired.
No wait. He's driving the hay carrage with C.C. on top, lol

Ultimately, with his death be brought the world the peace it desired.
No wait. He's driving the hay carrage with C.C. on top, lol

Code Geass, as I'm sure you know, is a very intelligent series, with a ton of interesting plot twists and stuffs. And as so, there are different ways to look at it.

If you understood the show, you'll see that...

LELOUCH IS ALIVE

Ok you may be thinking wtf? Now, there are a lot of ways you can look at this. I myself have not figured out which things I'd totally agree with (I have not remembered all the rules of Code/Geass for example, etc., and lots of people online don't remember correctly either). But for now, the way I see it, Lelouch has both Code and Geass.

Meaning, he's friggin immortal. How do we know? Lelouch "killed" (debatable, he simply sent him into the world of C or whatever, but you could consider that killing) Charles. Before Charles died, he grabbed Lelouch on the neck. In order to transfer Code, you need to "kill" the Code bearer and there needs to be contact to transfer the code (?). Charles' Code was on his hand, so it should now be on Lelouch's neck (not shown, it only shows/activates when one dies, remember).

Also, the show's name is obvious. CODE GEASS: R2. No, R2 does not stand just for rebellion 2, or something. The show's creators were again, ingenious, even with the naming. You know how CC is C2? VV is V2? Well Lelouch Lamperouge, LL, is R2. Remember that L and R are treated the same in Japanese, because they don't have an actual "L" sound.

So basically, the name's show itself says: LELOUCH IS IMMORTAL, HE HAS CODE AND GEASS. Doesn't the name sound much more epic now?

Now there are parts where I'm unsure about (again, due to Goro Taniguchi's masterful directing skills, in which he leaves multiple parts of the story up to your interpretation). You could say Suzaku has Lelouch's Geass. Remember when Lelouch got stabbed, he was like, you will now bear Zero's name, and you will take the power of the Kings? He could have meant his Geass when he said that. Again I'm not sure, I need to review the show myself. This could make sense however, Lelouch is alive but he loses his Geass so he can't abuse it anymore.

For more reasons why Lelouch is alive you can look online. In conclusion, canonically, for the show to make sense, yes Lelouch is dead. But it's not confirmed in Bandai's list that he is a dead character. Now, for the fans that paid attention to the show, they can think to themselves Lelouch is alive because of the many hints.

Here's some more reasons why Lelouch is alive.
When Suzaku was going to stab Lelouch, he easily easily passed Orange, who SMILED. Why would he smile if he didn't know it was part of Lelouch's plan? You could argue he accepted that Lelouch had to die, but there's a chance he might know that Lelouch would be immortal and hence the smile. Also when he called the troops to take Lelouch's dead body away, he didn't seem sad. If Lelouch didn't tell him he would be immortal, wouldn't he show some sort of sadness?

At the end, CC says "the power of the king isolates one forever" or something similar. She later says "but that's not quite right, eh Lelouch?" If you understand the show, she's obviously saying she was wrong. Why is she wrong? Because Lelouch is ALIVE, perhaps isolated but is able to live in peace with CC now. If Lelouch did die, then CC wouldn't be quite right about what she said. If Lelouch is dead, even though he did it for the good of the world and was happy with it, he's still isolated/cursed, cus well, duh he's DEAD. However he disproved CC's conjecture/warning at the beginning of the series when she made her contract with Lelouch, and hence surprises/amuses her. When she says "that's not quite right, eh Lelouch"? She strangely looks behind her. Not up, behind her. People can argue that she's talking to herself because Lelouch is dead, but you can infer that Lelouch is the cart driver, and she was looking towards his general location. Also, why would she say "Eh Lelouch" if she's talking to herself? Also if you realize at this point Lelouch is still alive, the music which follows immediately after fits a lot better. It's bouncy, contemplative, but also happy.

Also, when you see CC on the hay cart, you notice a pink paper crane. You can assume this is the same one Nunnally made. Remember her promise with him, and the symbolism of the crane? 1000 will grant your wish. Anyways, why would CC have a pink paper crane like that with her if it wasn't Lelouch's? hmm...

Another reason. Lelouch tricked the world once again. He's just that smart. So of courrrrrrrse he's alive .

Haha hope this satisfies you.

I thought Word of God said that he is dead.

WTF is up with the capture of Iserlohn? The commander of the enemy fleet is scared of attacking at first, but attacks anyways later on? And because he doesn't want to retreat and lose face, he decides to waste the lives of some hundreds of thousands of soldiers instead. I can't believe how retarded he was.