EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 3458
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On January 22 2014 14:48 phathom321 wrote: All this time I thought that this thread disappeared and I didn't know how to spend my morning classes, then I realized that it was moved to media & entertainment and I didn't have that on my sidebar. I feel like a total scrub. just means you have 100s of pages to catch up on lol On January 22 2014 15:02 Zergneedsfood wrote: Don't worry. We were all pissed when we were put in this place. they were more pissed when the whole 'don't troll people with school days' was removed and the thread name was changed to Anime Discussion from 'Anime Discussion Thread'  | ||
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Also final verdict on Colorful: FEELS/10 | ||
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lawl eca. I also knew about Yakou. Read about it in a thread a long time ago, when the anime was just starting. Heck, it's half the reason I'm still watching, the other half being the eternal scanlation hiatus. | ||
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On January 22 2014 15:40 Zergneedsfood wrote: Not "they." Me. ;; Also final verdict on Colorful: FEELS/10 you mean you or me? lol. In general though, everyone was in rage over the title change. The school days trolling mod note wasn't as big of a deal although it did generate discussion  Colorful feels > anohana feels? | ||
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Zergneedsfood
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I love both, but I think Colorful did it much more simplistically while having a really unique climactic point between the main character and his family (there were a lot of easier ways of making a very melodramatic climax out of that conflict, as some people in the irc were speculating while watching) that really tugged at the heartstrings in a way that I think Anohana didn't. | ||
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Also, everyone in Anohana is "good?" I don't think so yo. Everyone in Anohana did some pretty shit things and were in general pretty bad people to some degree. :/ | ||
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Slaughter
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Elfen Lied is my prime example for anime that I was sour on simply because the "good" or "happy" parts were so few and completely were buried but the extreme shit that happened to people in it. It is true that there was some bad things that people did but it was all on a tier lower then the big "bad" things that went down in Colorful. Its not like there is a HUGE difference. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
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And what kind of different kind of bad things are you talking about? Because I think: + Show Spoiler + Crossdressing to deceive your friends while simultaneously keeping someone else's clothes for years, trying to take advantage of women and basically asking them for friend sex (sound like Colorful?), being general assholes and refusing to communicate with one another (reminds one of Colorful, no?), and ditching great girl for a ghost all sound like pretty bad things. | ||
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Slaughter
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On January 22 2014 16:10 Zergneedsfood wrote: Ah, all I'm asking for is a bit of consistency. Because if you're saying that you liked Anohana more because in Colorful there were people who made mistakes and there were assholes......then I don't think we were watching the same Anohana since the entire drama in the anime was everyone was being a bunch of assholes and not wanting to get back together. + Show Spoiler + True, but it was all on "high school kid" level drama. The big things in Colorful such as the cheating mother and the high school girl whoring herself out as well as core family issues are on a different level. Also I didn't say I liked Anohana more because of that, I was trying to explain why I probably felt more "feels", because Anohana's female lead was basically "all good" while the lead in Colorful was completely the opposite because he was essentially going on a self discovery type journey of development. | ||
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BigFan
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On January 22 2014 15:57 Zergneedsfood wrote: Hmmm, let me think about that. I love both, but I think Colorful did it much more simplistically while having a really unique climactic point between the main character and his family (there were a lot of easier ways of making a very melodramatic climax out of that conflict, as some people in the irc were speculating while watching) that really tugged at the heartstrings in a way that I think Anohana didn't. On January 22 2014 16:01 Slaughter wrote: Eh I actually shed a couple of tears at Anohana, not so with Colorful but they were both good. It might be because Anohana everyone was "good" the entire time while in Colorful plenty of people were making mistakes and/or being an asshole (the mc) for most of the movie so I guess I was overall more sympathetic? The only one I consistently rooted for in Colorful was the mother lol. conflicts! lol. I can say that the only time I may have shed tears in Anohana is at the end and it was quickly over On January 22 2014 16:10 Zergneedsfood wrote: Ah, all I'm asking for is a bit of consistency. Because if you're saying that you liked Anohana more because in Colorful there were people who made mistakes and there were assholes......then I don't think we were watching the same Anohana since the entire drama in the anime was everyone was being a bunch of assholes and not wanting to get back together. And what kind of different kind of bad things are you talking about? Because I think: are you sure we watched the same Anohana? I saw it as them being kids who happened to make a mistake(or rather it happened) and they couldn't cope with the loss eventually splitting apart and not working things out together. I mean someone died so it took them a long time to even get over it and come back together eventually. I guess I don't see that the same as being assholes lol | ||
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Is it really on a different level? I don't think something like suffering huge psychological issues to the point where you have to leave the town and go on a journey to hide your guilt is something on a simple high school kid drama level. Nor do I think a mother who still believes her daughter exists in their home is simple high school level drama. They might not be the same, but Anohana deals with some pretty depressing stuff at time, just maybe not as concerned with certain things that Colorful concerned itself with. It might be because Anohana everyone was "good" the entire time while in Colorful plenty of people were making mistakes and/or being an asshole (the mc) for most of the movie so I guess I was overall more sympathetic? That above signals to me that's what you were referring to, which is why I questioned it, but if you meant something else by this quote feel free to correct me. =p I guess I don't see that the same as being assholes lol The above part is true, but suffering loss, not being able to cope and being an asshole are not mutually exclusive ideas. In fact, more often than not, they can be complementary problems. Like there's no way you can argue that everyone wasn't just super dickish to each other with the exception of Popo+ Show Spoiler + And Popo also revealed that he was in on getting the group back together for personal gain so he could forget the shame of seeing Menma dead | ||
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Slaughter
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However, a lot of that stuff you listed are trauma, not caused by another's hurtful actions. Anohana was about recovering from a tragedy, and reconnecting with your friends. Colorful is made up of drama caused by people against people and reconstructing a life through the MC learning the multiplicity of human nature and accepting things. | ||
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Slaughter
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Like Popo's guilt and her mom not being able to move on have nothing to do with the cast being good or bad Yes there are some depressing things in Anohana but most of the heavy stuff was not caused by the cast, but an uncontrollable event. Colorful in contrast every depressing thing was the result of someones actions. Thus contributing to feeling more sympathetic to Anohana's cast. This debate really is making it seem like I considered there to be much difference between the two anyway in what we have been discussing when I really don't think that. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
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Also some of the things you listed have nothing to do with the characters "good" or "bad"ness I don't understand what you mean then. How is lying to your friends by dressing up as a dead girl and asking for friend sex not an indication of something that reflects bad character? Or how is not manipulating your friends to get back together only for personal gain and forgetting your own personal shame not an indication of something you're doing wrong? Like at this point, I'm not even sure what you mean when you say that the characters are "good" or "bad" when the only thing you're saying to defend them is that they're feeling trauma...which I don't think excludes people from ever doing bad things or being bad people. In fact, it might reinforce the notion that people hurt each other or become bad people, which is the point of the anime. In fact: + Show Spoiler + The LAST episode starts with a ten minute discussion on how everyone was AWFUL to each other and were being horrible people and then apologizing to each other. Like....wut. If I can't prove the point, maybe the show can! @__@ In that case, how can you say anyone in Colorful was really "bad" when the entire film was about, as you said, the multiplicity of human nature, which suggests that people are not necessarily good or bad, but that they just exist and anyone can be good or bad at any given time? And after all of that...at the end of the day, you think that Toradora and Anohana have comparable levels of drama...that Toradora's drama is somehow comparable to the drama experienced in Anohana? Yes there are some depressing things in Anohana but most of the heavy stuff was not caused by the cast, but an uncontrollable event. Colorful in contrast every depressing thing was the result of someones actions. Thus contributing to feeling more sympathetic to Anohana's cast. I don't think I was arguing this part at all. >___> | ||
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BigFan
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On January 22 2014 16:21 Zergneedsfood wrote: + Show Spoiler + Is it really on a different level? I don't think something like suffering huge psychological issues to the point where you have to leave the town and go on a journey to hide your guilt is something on a simple high school kid drama level. Nor do I think a mother who still believes her daughter exists in their home is simple high school level drama. They might not be the same, but Anohana deals with some pretty depressing stuff at time, just maybe not as concerned with certain things that Colorful concerned itself with. That above signals to me that's what you were referring to, which is why I questioned it, but if you meant something else by this quote feel free to correct me. =p The above part is true, but suffering loss, not being able to cope and being an asshole are not mutually exclusive ideas. In fact, more often than not, they can be complementary problems. Like there's no way you can argue that everyone was just super dickish to each other with the exception of Popo. It doesn't matter if they were suffering from massive guilt or psychological problems or shame. The fact remains that a big part of the story involved them hurting each other unnecessarily, and to that extent, they were assholes to each other. you mean wasn't super dickish? hmm yes, they were acting pretty badly between themselves, I won't deny that. Part of that seems to stem from their earlier problem I think and part is likely their new attitudes that they adopted. | ||
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