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On June 11 2013 05:44 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 05:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On June 11 2013 05:18 Sub40APM wrote:On June 11 2013 04:57 CaM27 wrote:
For everyone bashing Daenerys storyline boring & dull. It's the fault of the directors/writers of the show. There were a lot of stuff with the slave cities, the second sons that weren't told elaborated on. It feels rushed and tbh plain bad. READ THE BOOKS! Also characters not even mentionned like strong belwas :'( The problem is this is a tv show with 99% of characters are all in one area and one character is in a totally different area. Even from the beginning of the books -- no spoilers, just an example -- there were really two storylines. One story line is the Game of Thrones in Westeros + the zombie stuff. The other story is the Targarians on a whole different continent. One book is basically about grand politics and war and cunning and the other one is an adventure story of a brave girl. Martin screwed up by choosing to try and jam in two divergent books that happen to be set on one continent into one book. But at least in book form you can just jam in more pages and sub stories to try to cover it up. On the tv screen when you can budget only 50 minutes you cannot do that effectively. And every time they try to shove Daenrys down your throat, it becomes more jarring because you know better actors and better characters are getting less and less screen time. And for what do we miss out on more scenes from Mace -- Ceaser leading another army from the north! -- or Littlefinger or Oleanna Redwyne? So she can waltz around like at some weird rock concert? or do another pouty BUT IAM STORMBORN GIVE ME OBEDIENCE! or watch another Jorah friend zone bitter face shot? its just plain stupid and HBO should have been brave enough to just say no to Danarys completely. I would imagine Daenerys would be very relevant to Westeros later on, considering she is amassing an army and planning to invade Westeros. Maybe. But the payoff for this invasion is going to happen when, another 2 seasons further away? So we now have 5 seasons of at least 10 minutes per episode on average, of one person that is completely unrelated to anything else. Think of how many more relevant to Westeros characters they could have inserted in that time they devoted to a thing that might pan out in 5 years.
She's way more relevant to the story than Bran or Sam or Theon imo. She's going to invade Westeros with motha fuckin dragons and more soldiers than anyone else.
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On June 11 2013 05:55 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 05:44 Sub40APM wrote:On June 11 2013 05:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On June 11 2013 05:18 Sub40APM wrote:On June 11 2013 04:57 CaM27 wrote:
For everyone bashing Daenerys storyline boring & dull. It's the fault of the directors/writers of the show. There were a lot of stuff with the slave cities, the second sons that weren't told elaborated on. It feels rushed and tbh plain bad. READ THE BOOKS! Also characters not even mentionned like strong belwas :'( The problem is this is a tv show with 99% of characters are all in one area and one character is in a totally different area. Even from the beginning of the books -- no spoilers, just an example -- there were really two storylines. One story line is the Game of Thrones in Westeros + the zombie stuff. The other story is the Targarians on a whole different continent. One book is basically about grand politics and war and cunning and the other one is an adventure story of a brave girl. Martin screwed up by choosing to try and jam in two divergent books that happen to be set on one continent into one book. But at least in book form you can just jam in more pages and sub stories to try to cover it up. On the tv screen when you can budget only 50 minutes you cannot do that effectively. And every time they try to shove Daenrys down your throat, it becomes more jarring because you know better actors and better characters are getting less and less screen time. And for what do we miss out on more scenes from Mace -- Ceaser leading another army from the north! -- or Littlefinger or Oleanna Redwyne? So she can waltz around like at some weird rock concert? or do another pouty BUT IAM STORMBORN GIVE ME OBEDIENCE! or watch another Jorah friend zone bitter face shot? its just plain stupid and HBO should have been brave enough to just say no to Danarys completely. I would imagine Daenerys would be very relevant to Westeros later on, considering she is amassing an army and planning to invade Westeros. Maybe. But the payoff for this invasion is going to happen when, another 2 seasons further away? So we now have 5 seasons of at least 10 minutes per episode on average, of one person that is completely unrelated to anything else. Think of how many more relevant to Westeros characters they could have inserted in that time they devoted to a thing that might pan out in 5 years. She's way more relevant to the story than Bran or Sam or Theon imo. She's going to invade Westeros with motha fuckin dragons and more soldiers than anyone else.
When? In another 2-3 years? Even the White Walkers are more relevant to Westeros right now and Bran is going out there to kill them with magic super powers or whatever. I agree that Sam seems pretty useless. Theon is there to show how dumb Vikings are.
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On June 11 2013 04:09 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On another note, why does everyone like hodor? Hes just some dumb half giant, hes not interesting at all...
Hodor.
I've just watched the final episode and I liked most parts of it. The Dany scene was pretty dull, I really hope they'll stop repeating the "imba dragon queen freeing slaves" theme in the next season. The Unsullied scene was very powerful, but the final scene of the last episode felt very constructed.
I'm loving the acting in the series, especially all Lannister actors are supreme.
And now the wait has begun...
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Theon is at least giving us a taste of Boltons bastard, and how he [and roose bolton] will relate to the rest of the North politically, both in fighting off the invading Ironborn and how they treat their vassals/subjects. Sam is just an attachment character to Jon at the moment, so whatever. Dannys crap is just boring nevermind ridiculous. She literally garnered an army and a way into a city because some random guy thinks shes got a rather nice ass. What?! Nevermind that a lot of the characters around her suck...like the guy who brought his army over to her because shes hot. A scrawny effeminate surfer is suppose to be this badass merc? eh.
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On June 11 2013 05:53 Usagi wrote:
I might be thinking very badly, but for some reason, I thought Tyrion was trying to gt Podrick drunk and make him fuck Sansa to make her pregnant... crazy, but after Twyins speech looked possible xD
No way...Tyrion values his family name, and his son would be the Lord of Winterfell. There's no way he would 1) violate his own wife, whom he has sworn to protect, and 2) besmirch his family name by doing that.
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On June 11 2013 05:58 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 05:55 Zooper31 wrote:On June 11 2013 05:44 Sub40APM wrote:On June 11 2013 05:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On June 11 2013 05:18 Sub40APM wrote:On June 11 2013 04:57 CaM27 wrote:
For everyone bashing Daenerys storyline boring & dull. It's the fault of the directors/writers of the show. There were a lot of stuff with the slave cities, the second sons that weren't told elaborated on. It feels rushed and tbh plain bad. READ THE BOOKS! Also characters not even mentionned like strong belwas :'( The problem is this is a tv show with 99% of characters are all in one area and one character is in a totally different area. Even from the beginning of the books -- no spoilers, just an example -- there were really two storylines. One story line is the Game of Thrones in Westeros + the zombie stuff. The other story is the Targarians on a whole different continent. One book is basically about grand politics and war and cunning and the other one is an adventure story of a brave girl. Martin screwed up by choosing to try and jam in two divergent books that happen to be set on one continent into one book. But at least in book form you can just jam in more pages and sub stories to try to cover it up. On the tv screen when you can budget only 50 minutes you cannot do that effectively. And every time they try to shove Daenrys down your throat, it becomes more jarring because you know better actors and better characters are getting less and less screen time. And for what do we miss out on more scenes from Mace -- Ceaser leading another army from the north! -- or Littlefinger or Oleanna Redwyne? So she can waltz around like at some weird rock concert? or do another pouty BUT IAM STORMBORN GIVE ME OBEDIENCE! or watch another Jorah friend zone bitter face shot? its just plain stupid and HBO should have been brave enough to just say no to Danarys completely. I would imagine Daenerys would be very relevant to Westeros later on, considering she is amassing an army and planning to invade Westeros. Maybe. But the payoff for this invasion is going to happen when, another 2 seasons further away? So we now have 5 seasons of at least 10 minutes per episode on average, of one person that is completely unrelated to anything else. Think of how many more relevant to Westeros characters they could have inserted in that time they devoted to a thing that might pan out in 5 years. She's way more relevant to the story than Bran or Sam or Theon imo. She's going to invade Westeros with motha fuckin dragons and more soldiers than anyone else. When? In another 2-3 years? Even the White Walkers are more relevant to Westeros right now and Bran is going out there to kill them with magic super powers or whatever. I agree that Sam seems pretty useless. Theon is there to show how dumb Vikings are.
I just enjoy her story period. She's one of my favorite characters and we are getting attached to her and her world so we know why she does the things she does when she finally gets to Westeros. I'm sorry you don't enjoy her story.
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On June 11 2013 05:44 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 05:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On June 11 2013 05:18 Sub40APM wrote:On June 11 2013 04:57 CaM27 wrote:
For everyone bashing Daenerys storyline boring & dull. It's the fault of the directors/writers of the show. There were a lot of stuff with the slave cities, the second sons that weren't told elaborated on. It feels rushed and tbh plain bad. READ THE BOOKS! Also characters not even mentionned like strong belwas :'( The problem is this is a tv show with 99% of characters are all in one area and one character is in a totally different area. Even from the beginning of the books -- no spoilers, just an example -- there were really two storylines. One story line is the Game of Thrones in Westeros + the zombie stuff. The other story is the Targarians on a whole different continent. One book is basically about grand politics and war and cunning and the other one is an adventure story of a brave girl. Martin screwed up by choosing to try and jam in two divergent books that happen to be set on one continent into one book. But at least in book form you can just jam in more pages and sub stories to try to cover it up. On the tv screen when you can budget only 50 minutes you cannot do that effectively. And every time they try to shove Daenrys down your throat, it becomes more jarring because you know better actors and better characters are getting less and less screen time. And for what do we miss out on more scenes from Mace -- Ceaser leading another army from the north! -- or Littlefinger or Oleanna Redwyne? So she can waltz around like at some weird rock concert? or do another pouty BUT IAM STORMBORN GIVE ME OBEDIENCE! or watch another Jorah friend zone bitter face shot? its just plain stupid and HBO should have been brave enough to just say no to Danarys completely. I would imagine Daenerys would be very relevant to Westeros later on, considering she is amassing an army and planning to invade Westeros. Maybe. But the payoff for this invasion is going to happen when, another 2 seasons further away? So we now have 5 seasons of at least 10 minutes per episode on average, of one person that is completely unrelated to anything else. Think of how many more relevant to Westeros characters they could have inserted in that time they devoted to a thing that might pan out in 5 years.
That's why she needs to be in there. There's plenty of TV shows out there where the story lines build up and payout over the course of a few episodes. This one takes longer. I don't see that as a bad thing.
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On June 11 2013 04:09 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On another note, why does everyone like hodor? Hes just some dumb half giant, hes not interesting at all...
I could tell you, but, you know.. Hodor.
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On June 11 2013 06:11 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 05:53 Usagi wrote:
I might be thinking very badly, but for some reason, I thought Tyrion was trying to gt Podrick drunk and make him fuck Sansa to make her pregnant... crazy, but after Twyins speech looked possible xD No way...Tyrion values his family name, and his son would be the Lord of Winterfell. There's no way he would 1) violate his own wife, whom he has sworn to protect, and 2) besmirch his family name by doing that.
Yeah... I think he was trying to get Podrick drunk so he'd be willing to talk about what he does to make women love him so much. Tyrion needs to sleep with Sansa, but he doesn't want to rape her, so he's trying to figure out some way to make her actually want to sleep with him.
It wasn't coincidental that the women were giggling/cooing over Podrick in the scene where Tyrion and Sansa are talking.
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Oh man such a long hiatus.
Might have to give reading the books another spin, never got past the first one there.
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On June 11 2013 04:36 Doctorbeat wrote:So David Peterson, the creator of the GoT languages has revealed what was in Talisa's letter: http://www.dothraki.com/2013/06/mhysa/Show nested quote + Dearest mother,
So much news I have to give you from over the seas. I find myself held by the arms of a husband I never expected to have. They say he is a king and of my heart that is true. He holds us safe, for now I am two, with his child beneath the heart that beats for him. The war rages on, but soon, when it is all over, we shall come to you and celebrate together. ;..;
It's so sad ;___;
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I wonder why Davos suddenly become very important for the red woman and her god. Regardless of what's happening in the north Davos is not going to accept her methods.
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On June 11 2013 06:55 Sent. wrote:
I wonder why Davos suddenly become very important for red woman and her god. Regardless of what's happening in the north Davos is not going to accept her methods. She looked into the flames, perhaps she saw something?
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On June 11 2013 06:55 Sent. wrote:
I wonder why Davos suddenly become very important for the red woman and her god. Regardless of what's happening in the north Davos is not going to accept her methods.
Melissandre has stated before that she is not his enemy: they both serve Stannis, though their methods and philosophies stand in contrast.
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On June 11 2013 04:09 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On another note, why does everyone like hodor? Hes just some dumb half giant, hes not interesting at all...
Hodor is literally the only purley good character in all of the seven kingdoms...
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On June 11 2013 06:55 Sent. wrote:
I wonder why Davos suddenly become very important for the red woman and her god. Regardless of what's happening in the north Davos is not going to accept her methods.
I thought this was the weakest scene of the finale.
All of that changing of mind from Stannis and the Red Lady happened so fast and felt rushed.
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On June 11 2013 07:12 Abenrod wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 06:55 Sent. wrote:
I wonder why Davos suddenly become very important for the red woman and her god. Regardless of what's happening in the north Davos is not going to accept her methods. I thought this was the weakest scene of the finale. All of that changing of mind from Stannis and the Red Lady happened so fast and felt rushed.
He trusts her completely. She saw something in the flames that made her change her mind, and thus Stannis. I don't see the confusion tbh
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Wow, I really enjoyed every scene in that episode. Even Sam was good. I kind of expected Ygritte to shoot John but I'm sure everyone else did too. Interested to see what happens up north now when before I thought it really dragged.
Although I do have to say, the serendipity of Jon, Bran and Samwell all ending up so near each other was a bit ridiculous. Bran is like a locator beacon it seems.
Arya was epic. I thought she was going to waste her coin of awesome but instead she just worked that guy over with a shiv. It was glorious  .
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On June 11 2013 05:44 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 05:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On June 11 2013 05:18 Sub40APM wrote:On June 11 2013 04:57 CaM27 wrote:
For everyone bashing Daenerys storyline boring & dull. It's the fault of the directors/writers of the show. There were a lot of stuff with the slave cities, the second sons that weren't told elaborated on. It feels rushed and tbh plain bad. READ THE BOOKS! Also characters not even mentionned like strong belwas :'( The problem is this is a tv show with 99% of characters are all in one area and one character is in a totally different area. Even from the beginning of the books -- no spoilers, just an example -- there were really two storylines. One story line is the Game of Thrones in Westeros + the zombie stuff. The other story is the Targarians on a whole different continent. One book is basically about grand politics and war and cunning and the other one is an adventure story of a brave girl. Martin screwed up by choosing to try and jam in two divergent books that happen to be set on one continent into one book. But at least in book form you can just jam in more pages and sub stories to try to cover it up. On the tv screen when you can budget only 50 minutes you cannot do that effectively. And every time they try to shove Daenrys down your throat, it becomes more jarring because you know better actors and better characters are getting less and less screen time. And for what do we miss out on more scenes from Mace -- Ceaser leading another army from the north! -- or Littlefinger or Oleanna Redwyne? So she can waltz around like at some weird rock concert? or do another pouty BUT IAM STORMBORN GIVE ME OBEDIENCE! or watch another Jorah friend zone bitter face shot? its just plain stupid and HBO should have been brave enough to just say no to Danarys completely. I would imagine Daenerys would be very relevant to Westeros later on, considering she is amassing an army and planning to invade Westeros. Maybe. But the payoff for this invasion is going to happen when, another 2 seasons further away? So we now have 5 seasons of at least 10 minutes per episode on average, of one person that is completely unrelated to anything else. Think of how many more relevant to Westeros characters they could have inserted in that time they devoted to a thing that might pan out in 5 years.
Having spent so much time in these two separate storyline will just make it that much more impactful and epic when Daenerys finally gets intertwined in the Westerosi storyline. The same thing could be said about Bran, he hasn't done anything notable except falling out of the window in the pilot episode, but the reward will come later (at least that's what I'm assuming, otherwise it would just be stupid).
GGRM rewards patience. Sure, having to wait 9 months for the next season, or 5 years for the next book, is kinda stretching it, but if you dislike it there's plenty of movies/tv-series out there with a higher pace.
With that said, I think it's a deliberate decision made by GGRM to have these storylines be separated for such a long time, rather than a mistake.
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On June 11 2013 06:55 Sent. wrote:
I wonder why Davos suddenly become very important for the red woman and her god. Regardless of what's happening in the north Davos is not going to accept her methods.
Could be a way of using Davos, we have to admit hes not the smartest character. This might be her way of manipulating him to the fire god side.
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