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On April 24 2013 05:29 Scio wrote:
Looking at the map i wonder why Robb doesnt march on Casterly Rock and forces the Lannister army to engage him. I mean he wanted to force a fight on open ground the whole time and laying siege unto Casterly Rock (with the Lannister/Tyrell army near Kings Landing) seems like it would force the Lannisters to either attack Robb or lose their home city and all the gold they have there.
Well looking a the map; Robb would either have to swing very far South or cross through several mountain passes.
Can't think of a better way to get his army ambushed / trapped / killed.
On April 24 2013 06:01 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 05:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:On April 24 2013 04:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
*sigh... I suppose its time I start rewatching season 1 and 2 again.
Ill be able to pick up on more subtle details and try to catch hints/clues on plot progression etc. Don't want to be mean, but there is nothing very "subtle" at all in the whole show. That's might even be why it's so enjoyable. I think he meant the stuff that happened so fast you kind of miss it, or characters that reappear and you have no idea who they are.
For the Lord Beric thing; people shouldn't kick themselves too hard, since it's a new actor in S3 than it was in S1...
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Besieging a castle can take a year or more. And he would be leaving all of the Riverlands vulnerable in the meantime.
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On April 24 2013 05:14 Noro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 05:08 Sub40APM wrote:On April 24 2013 05:04 ZasZ. wrote:On April 24 2013 04:59 Don_Julio wrote:
I think she still has no idea what to do when she gets to Westeros. She hasn't been there for such a long time. She doesn't know anything about it, about the big powers operating there. The most she knows is what her mad brother told her and this guy thought that all of Westeros is just waiting for him to return onto the throne.
Her best bet would be to wait till her dragons are prowerful enough to just take Westeros but she made it clear multiple times that she doesn't want to wait. Keep in mind that her two closest advisors spent most of their adult lives in Westeros, and Barristan Selmy was very close to those currently in power, among other great houses. I can't think of any single person I'd rather have advising her about what to expect when she returns. are they? Selmy was a bodyguard basically, and failed 2 of the last 2 kings. well, 3 if you count the crown prince. The other guy wasnt even a big shot in the North, much less the rest of the empire. Just a guy who was good at being a knight apparently. Regardless of if Barristan "failed" them, he still served as the highest ranked knight in the Seven Kingdoms. He knows what houses hold the power and he knows whose side most people are on. Obviously some changes have been made since he left. But i'm sure he has a pretty good idea. But thats nothing more than superficial knowledge, that even a peasent would be privy to. Nothing's ever been mentioned that Barristan is a good general, etc etc. Hes just a knight and a bodyguard. Regardless, Dany seems to want to make the decisions herself and, as a result, I do expect her to have quite a few misconceptions about Westeros that will hinder her when she finally lands.
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On April 24 2013 04:35 Quexana wrote:Show nested quote +
Considering someone posted this huge map of the world i was hoping someone would post the current position of most of the main cast.
I know Dany last season was in Quarth but now I havent payed much atention in which city she was "buying" her huge army.
Ask and you shall receive: + Show Spoiler +This is the location of most of the major characters and several minor characters relative to Season 3 Episode 4. I also notated the Capitol Cities of most of the major houses. A few exceptions: Theon Greyjoy--Whereabouts Unknown Bran Stark--Precise Whereabouts Unknown--he's somewhere between Winterfell and the Wall Jaime Lannister and Brienne of Tarth--Presise Whereabouts Unknown--they're in the Reach, somewhere north of King's Landing. You'll have to zoom in pretty close to see everything, sorry, It was the best I could do.
Thanks for the effort but its almost unreadable 
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On April 24 2013 08:00 SkelA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 04:35 Quexana wrote:
Considering someone posted this huge map of the world i was hoping someone would post the current position of most of the main cast.
I know Dany last season was in Quarth but now I havent payed much atention in which city she was "buying" her huge army.
Ask and you shall receive: + Show Spoiler +This is the location of most of the major characters and several minor characters relative to Season 3 Episode 4. I also notated the Capitol Cities of most of the major houses. A few exceptions: Theon Greyjoy--Whereabouts Unknown Bran Stark--Precise Whereabouts Unknown--he's somewhere between Winterfell and the Wall Jaime Lannister and Brienne of Tarth--Presise Whereabouts Unknown--they're in the Reach, somewhere north of King's Landing. You'll have to zoom in pretty close to see everything, sorry, It was the best I could do. Thanks for the effort but its almost unreadable
Open it in the link. It can be zoomed in as far as you'd ever want to read every bit of text on it. It is a 4642x4642 image.
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On April 24 2013 05:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 04:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
*sigh... I suppose its time I start rewatching season 1 and 2 again.
Ill be able to pick up on more subtle details and try to catch hints/clues on plot progression etc. Don't want to be mean, but there is nothing very "subtle" at all in the whole show. That's might even be why it's so enjoyable.
You kidding me?
Some of my favorites off the top of my head:
Season One Episode Two:
Jaime voices an opinion that he'd rather a clean death to being a cripple. Not the most subtle perhaps, but a neat bit of foreshadowing.
End of Season One Episode Four:
Eddard is watching Arya's first swordsmanship lesson and as the scene closes the sounds change from a child playing to the clangs of real steel on steel and the sounds of battle are heard. That's subtlety. There's actually a shit ton that people can read into that.
Throughout Season One Pycelle, Varys, and Littlefinger each give Eddard clues to the secret of what Jon Arryn died for.
Pycelle gives him the book, and bluntly mentions that poison is a eunuch's weapon, and that varys is a eunuch.
Varys sends him on the path towards Gendry.
Littlefinger sends him towards that whore who has Robert's infant bastard.
On their own, none of these are subtle, but we get to see the way these three work. Littlefinger gains the most immediate benefit. Eddard was leaving the capital when Littlefinger stopped him and sent him thataway. He also stipulates that it has to be at nightfall. Littlefinger buys Eddards time with information, but Eddard is too focused on other matters to see what's really going on there.
Varys seems to become less subtle in seasons 2 and 3 however.
In the first few episodes of season 2 we hear three or four philosophies on power:
Littlefinger believes that money is power. Cersei counters with a super short sighted opinion that power is power. She's not wrong, but she also fails to see her shortcomings.
Varys displays a similar belief to Cersei but with far more depth: Power is an illusion. It is where men believe it is, thus he never becomes overconfident, but is still able to turn things to his favor.
I think Tywin might voice an opinion on power in there somewhere as well, but for the life of me I can't remember what it is.
The tickler is introduced eating a pear, and when Jaqen kills him Jaqen is eating the pear.
Not a B-word spoiler in and of itself. But it still seems like a big point for me. Spoilered though because I REALLY can't go into why I think this is significant.
+ Show Spoiler +When Daenerys enters the house of the undying and meets Khal Drogo the son has dark hair. It may be a simple dream-vision thing, but the fact that in the vision a Targaryean son can have dark hair seems like a big deal to me.
That being a big deal is only my opinion though.
Anyways, I think the subtleties exist.
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On April 23 2013 12:46 CAPSLOCKED wrote:
There mere thought of Dany dying at some point upsets me, she's felt like the main protagonist this whole time! =p
Whatever the intentions were behind the bastard's ruse with Theon (Gaining respect from his father for bringing a valued escaped prisoner back into the fold? I have no idea) he did manage to gain the information that the Stark boys escaped into hiding, so there is that.
The ending of this episode was so sick even if it was totally predictable.
if you talk about her character development, agreed.
One serious question though - who feels sorry for Theon in HBO's show?
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On April 24 2013 08:53 Aegon I wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 12:46 CAPSLOCKED wrote:
There mere thought of Dany dying at some point upsets me, she's felt like the main protagonist this whole time! =p
Whatever the intentions were behind the bastard's ruse with Theon (Gaining respect from his father for bringing a valued escaped prisoner back into the fold? I have no idea) he did manage to gain the information that the Stark boys escaped into hiding, so there is that.
The ending of this episode was so sick even if it was totally predictable. if you talk about her character development, agreed. One serious question though - who feels sorry for Theon in HBO's show?
not i, he aint the only one going through shit in westoros. if i must feel bad for him, i must feel bad for all and i just dont have that much sympathy(empathy?) to spare
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On April 24 2013 08:53 Aegon I wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 12:46 CAPSLOCKED wrote:
There mere thought of Dany dying at some point upsets me, she's felt like the main protagonist this whole time! =p
Whatever the intentions were behind the bastard's ruse with Theon (Gaining respect from his father for bringing a valued escaped prisoner back into the fold? I have no idea) he did manage to gain the information that the Stark boys escaped into hiding, so there is that.
The ending of this episode was so sick even if it was totally predictable. if you talk about her character development, agreed. One serious question though - who feels sorry for Theon in HBO's show?
To some extent I do. I know the feeling of needing to prove yourself and how it determines your identity - and seen people go down the wrong way trying. Theon's an extreme case but I can empathize. A little.
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On April 24 2013 07:54 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 05:14 Noro wrote:On April 24 2013 05:08 Sub40APM wrote:On April 24 2013 05:04 ZasZ. wrote:On April 24 2013 04:59 Don_Julio wrote:
I think she still has no idea what to do when she gets to Westeros. She hasn't been there for such a long time. She doesn't know anything about it, about the big powers operating there. The most she knows is what her mad brother told her and this guy thought that all of Westeros is just waiting for him to return onto the throne.
Her best bet would be to wait till her dragons are prowerful enough to just take Westeros but she made it clear multiple times that she doesn't want to wait. Keep in mind that her two closest advisors spent most of their adult lives in Westeros, and Barristan Selmy was very close to those currently in power, among other great houses. I can't think of any single person I'd rather have advising her about what to expect when she returns. are they? Selmy was a bodyguard basically, and failed 2 of the last 2 kings. well, 3 if you count the crown prince. The other guy wasnt even a big shot in the North, much less the rest of the empire. Just a guy who was good at being a knight apparently. Regardless of if Barristan "failed" them, he still served as the highest ranked knight in the Seven Kingdoms. He knows what houses hold the power and he knows whose side most people are on. Obviously some changes have been made since he left. But i'm sure he has a pretty good idea. But thats nothing more than superficial knowledge, that even a peasent would be privy to. Nothing's ever been mentioned that Barristan is a good general, etc etc. Hes just a knight and a bodyguard. Regardless, Dany seems to want to make the decisions herself and, as a result, I do expect her to have quite a few misconceptions about Westeros that will hinder her when she finally lands.
The Lord Commander of the King's Guard serves on the small council so he's probably well informed about the states of most houses as well as who might support Dany.
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On April 24 2013 08:04 Irrelevant Label wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 08:00 SkelA wrote:On April 24 2013 04:35 Quexana wrote:
Considering someone posted this huge map of the world i was hoping someone would post the current position of most of the main cast.
I know Dany last season was in Quarth but now I havent payed much atention in which city she was "buying" her huge army.
Ask and you shall receive: + Show Spoiler +This is the location of most of the major characters and several minor characters relative to Season 3 Episode 4. I also notated the Capitol Cities of most of the major houses. A few exceptions: Theon Greyjoy--Whereabouts Unknown Bran Stark--Precise Whereabouts Unknown--he's somewhere between Winterfell and the Wall Jaime Lannister and Brienne of Tarth--Presise Whereabouts Unknown--they're in the Reach, somewhere north of King's Landing. You'll have to zoom in pretty close to see everything, sorry, It was the best I could do. Thanks for the effort but its almost unreadable Open it in the link. It can be zoomed in as far as you'd ever want to read every bit of text on it. It is a 4642x4642 image.
Not uploaded as such
<img style="-webkit-user-select: none; cursor: -webkit-zoom-out;" src="http://i.imgur.com/PgreCIb.jpg" width="2172" height="2172">
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On April 24 2013 00:26 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 22:50 herMan wrote:On April 23 2013 21:51 Grovbolle wrote:On April 23 2013 18:32 SmoKim wrote:This game is so awesome, highly recommended - even for non-fans imo  Fucking great game. We usually get together 5-6 and play it. Easily takes a few hours to play I've played the shit out of the game a few years back with my friends. The premise of the game is awesome but the factions are imbalanced. The games usually follow a pattern where factions consolidate power without meddling, somebody breaks out of the stalemate for the win and gets crushed. After all this somebody sneakily slips out and conquers the necessary towns to win. The games I have played have had the following winners: Starks, Lannisters, Greyjoys and Boratheans. I almost won as Tyrells last time we played. (I have only played 6-7 games of it though). We usually gang up on each other when we play. Like Tyrells and the 6th faction in the bottom whose name I can't recall just charge lannisters and boratheans with support from Greyjoys while Starks try to get in on the fun as well :D
I have yet to see a Stark victory in the five times my group of friends have played it.
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On April 24 2013 09:42 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:26 Grovbolle wrote:On April 23 2013 22:50 herMan wrote:On April 23 2013 21:51 Grovbolle wrote:On April 23 2013 18:32 SmoKim wrote:This game is so awesome, highly recommended - even for non-fans imo Fucking great game. We usually get together 5-6 and play it. Easily takes a few hours to play I've played the shit out of the game a few years back with my friends. The premise of the game is awesome but the factions are imbalanced. The games usually follow a pattern where factions consolidate power without meddling, somebody breaks out of the stalemate for the win and gets crushed. After all this somebody sneakily slips out and conquers the necessary towns to win. The games I have played have had the following winners: Starks, Lannisters, Greyjoys and Boratheans. I almost won as Tyrells last time we played. (I have only played 6-7 games of it though). We usually gang up on each other when we play. Like Tyrells and the 6th faction in the bottom whose name I can't recall just charge lannisters and boratheans with support from Greyjoys while Starks try to get in on the fun as well :D I have yet to see a Stark victory in the five times my group of friends have played it.
The very few times I played; Baratheon can just block Stark from ever moving south along the Eastern side of the map.
When we played there was no one to claim Tyrell so that probably skews things in terms of freeing up Baratheon to just focus on strangling Stark from growing.
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On April 23 2013 20:01 Incognoto wrote:
Ah shit got real with Daenerys now. She is the person I'm rooting for. She solved her problem of having no army just like that. Btw, this just goes to show that Daenerys is the ONLY person who can control the dragons. You can "buy" the dragon, but as Daenerys said: "Dragons aren't slaves". So buying/owning a dragon is pointless. It looks like they only really answer to Daenerys, because she's a Targaryen.
3 dragons and 8000 Unsullied probably make her the strongest military power in the region of the free cities. The real question is what she's going to do with that power. Continue to ransack the free cities or try to find a fleet to go to King's Landing and demolish every single faction there.
3 dragons, when they're grown, are going to be enough to conquer all of Westoros, probably. I guess they still have to grow up.
I honestly wouldnt be surprised if somewhere out there, there are other dragons waiting to be revealed.. one can only dream >_<.
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And now our watch has ended...
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So how long does it take for certain actors to film their scenes I wonder? Like we have only seen Liam Cunningham this season for a total of what less than 10 minutes and we're already to episode 3...
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Solid! Except for the initial commercial blasting off my ear drums.
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On April 24 2013 03:33 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 03:07 herMan wrote:
My collection of the irritating character name typos, thought I'd share the worst: Jauffre, Jeffrey, Cercei, Danny, Jamie. It's He-Man not herMan.
God you're clever and witty.
On April 24 2013 03:11 Quexana wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 03:07 herMan wrote:
My collection of the irritating character name typos, thought I'd share the worst: Jauffre, Jeffrey, Cercei, Danny, Jamie. There's a lot of names in this show, and a lot of those names are confusing. Even common names like Robb, Jon, and Brandyn don't use traditional spellings for those names.
Heh, you mean Brynden Tully, who is known as Blackfish?
I'm not on this thread to bash people and I understand the reasoning behind these typos. But this is the internet and you could look up the real names easily. It can also prevent confusion if people discussed about people using their real names.
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