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On April 24 2013 08:22 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 05:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:On April 24 2013 04:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
*sigh... I suppose its time I start rewatching season 1 and 2 again.
Ill be able to pick up on more subtle details and try to catch hints/clues on plot progression etc. Don't want to be mean, but there is nothing very "subtle" at all in the whole show. That's might even be why it's so enjoyable. You kidding me? Some of my favorites off the top of my head: Season One Episode Two: Jaime voices an opinion that he'd rather a clean death to being a cripple. Not the most subtle perhaps, but a neat bit of foreshadowing. End of Season One Episode Four: Eddard is watching Arya's first swordsmanship lesson and as the scene closes the sounds change from a child playing to the clangs of real steel on steel and the sounds of battle are heard. That's subtlety. There's actually a shit ton that people can read into that. Throughout Season One Pycelle, Varys, and Littlefinger each give Eddard clues to the secret of what Jon Arryn died for. Pycelle gives him the book, and bluntly mentions that poison is a eunuch's weapon, and that varys is a eunuch. Varys sends him on the path towards Gendry. Littlefinger sends him towards that whore who has Robert's infant bastard. On their own, none of these are subtle, but we get to see the way these three work. Littlefinger gains the most immediate benefit. Eddard was leaving the capital when Littlefinger stopped him and sent him thataway. He also stipulates that it has to be at nightfall. Littlefinger buys Eddards time with information, but Eddard is too focused on other matters to see what's really going on there. Varys seems to become less subtle in seasons 2 and 3 however. In the first few episodes of season 2 we hear three or four philosophies on power: Littlefinger believes that money is power. Cersei counters with a super short sighted opinion that power is power. She's not wrong, but she also fails to see her shortcomings. Varys displays a similar belief to Cersei but with far more depth: Power is an illusion. It is where men believe it is, thus he never becomes overconfident, but is still able to turn things to his favor. I think Tywin might voice an opinion on power in there somewhere as well, but for the life of me I can't remember what it is. The tickler is introduced eating a pear, and when Jaqen kills him Jaqen is eating the pear. Not a B-word spoiler in and of itself. But it still seems like a big point for me. Spoilered though because I REALLY can't go into why I think this is significant. + Show Spoiler +When Daenerys enters the house of the undying and meets Khal Drogo the son has dark hair. It may be a simple dream-vision thing, but the fact that in the vision a Targaryean son can have dark hair seems like a big deal to me. That being a big deal is only my opinion though. Anyways, I think the subtleties exist.
Thanks for sharing those  You have some more? I love stuff like this.
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On April 24 2013 17:25 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 08:22 TheDougler wrote:On April 24 2013 05:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:On April 24 2013 04:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
*sigh... I suppose its time I start rewatching season 1 and 2 again.
Ill be able to pick up on more subtle details and try to catch hints/clues on plot progression etc. Don't want to be mean, but there is nothing very "subtle" at all in the whole show. That's might even be why it's so enjoyable. You kidding me? Some of my favorites off the top of my head: Season One Episode Two: Jaime voices an opinion that he'd rather a clean death to being a cripple. Not the most subtle perhaps, but a neat bit of foreshadowing. End of Season One Episode Four: Eddard is watching Arya's first swordsmanship lesson and as the scene closes the sounds change from a child playing to the clangs of real steel on steel and the sounds of battle are heard. That's subtlety. There's actually a shit ton that people can read into that. Throughout Season One Pycelle, Varys, and Littlefinger each give Eddard clues to the secret of what Jon Arryn died for. Pycelle gives him the book, and bluntly mentions that poison is a eunuch's weapon, and that varys is a eunuch. Varys sends him on the path towards Gendry. Littlefinger sends him towards that whore who has Robert's infant bastard. On their own, none of these are subtle, but we get to see the way these three work. Littlefinger gains the most immediate benefit. Eddard was leaving the capital when Littlefinger stopped him and sent him thataway. He also stipulates that it has to be at nightfall. Littlefinger buys Eddards time with information, but Eddard is too focused on other matters to see what's really going on there. Varys seems to become less subtle in seasons 2 and 3 however. In the first few episodes of season 2 we hear three or four philosophies on power: Littlefinger believes that money is power. Cersei counters with a super short sighted opinion that power is power. She's not wrong, but she also fails to see her shortcomings. Varys displays a similar belief to Cersei but with far more depth: Power is an illusion. It is where men believe it is, thus he never becomes overconfident, but is still able to turn things to his favor. I think Tywin might voice an opinion on power in there somewhere as well, but for the life of me I can't remember what it is. The tickler is introduced eating a pear, and when Jaqen kills him Jaqen is eating the pear. Not a B-word spoiler in and of itself. But it still seems like a big point for me. Spoilered though because I REALLY can't go into why I think this is significant. + Show Spoiler +When Daenerys enters the house of the undying and meets Khal Drogo the son has dark hair. It may be a simple dream-vision thing, but the fact that in the vision a Targaryean son can have dark hair seems like a big deal to me. That being a big deal is only my opinion though. Anyways, I think the subtleties exist. Thanks for sharing those You have some more? I love stuff like this.
Tywin figures out Arya isn't a mere commoner because she says "my lord" instead of "m'lord", an only the highborn say the former. Theon's new friend refers to him as "my lord".
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On April 24 2013 17:25 Zandar wrote:Thanks for sharing those You have some more? I love stuff like this.
I can't remember the number of the episode, but it's when Ned kills Lady.
Right as he slits her throat, the scene jumps to Bran waking up.
If that isn't a subtle enough hint for people, I don't know what is.
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According to an article published on the New Yorker website, Martin states that Westeros is about the size of South America so I think the speculative map is rather accurate at least for Westeros. I don't like this at all because that map is literally so massive. Tywin was given two weeks to make his way from Casterly Rock to King's Landing in the first season. That means he's supposed to travel over forty miles a day on horseback through a mountain range.
Furthermore the size of the Red Wastes is absolutely ridiculous. There is no way in seven hells that Dany could have crossed that. I think that continent is incorrect to some extent.
Does anyone else have a length of time between events off the top of their heads? I'm interested in how long it took Robb to travel from Harrenhal to Riverrun because that would give a good sense of how far he can travel in a day with most of his forces (as he left Lord Bolton to hold Harrenhal). From there we can deduce how long it has been since the war started and other things such as how long it took Dany to make her way to Asterpor, et cetera. I wonder if the timeline makes any sense.
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I thought the same when I saw the size of the red waste on that map.
Alternate map(s): http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Essos
That's particular wiki site is really good. It only talks about things that has been revealed through the tv-series, much like our discussion here. At the end of most articles however there is a "in the books"-section; beware of that part as it might (although it's not suppose to) contain spoilers. But it you avoid that part it should be fine and dandy.
About subtleties through the earlier episodes, I found that a great scene for getting to know Littlefinger is the one in season 1 where he instructs two whores (Rose and another) "how to fuck" essentially. Naturally your attention lies elsewhere than on the dialogue during that scene, so a lot of subtle hints of his character easily slips by. I recommend watching it again.
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On April 24 2013 18:46 Parlortricks wrote:
According to an article published on the New Yorker website, Martin states that Westeros is about the size of South America so I think the speculative map is rather accurate at least for Westeros. I don't like this at all because that map is literally so massive. Tywin was given two weeks to make his way from Casterly Rock to King's Landing in the first season. That means he's supposed to travel over forty miles a day on horseback through a mountain range.
Furthermore the size of the Red Wastes is absolutely ridiculous. There is no way in seven hells that Dany could have crossed that. I think that continent is incorrect to some extent.
Does anyone else have a length of time between events off the top of their heads? I'm interested in how long it took Robb to travel from Harrenhal to Riverrun because that would give a good sense of how far he can travel in a day with most of his forces (as he left Lord Bolton to hold Harrenhal). From there we can deduce how long it has been since the war started and other things such as how long it took Dany to make her way to Asterpor, et cetera. I wonder if the timeline makes any sense.
As far as I know, there's no official map of the Red Waste and the surrounding areas, or at least none that gives any hints of the actual size.
And I would recommend not trying to figure out the travel times of major characters. Like with practically any TV show in existence, the results would be pretty disappointing.
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Fenrax
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On April 24 2013 17:25 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 08:22 TheDougler wrote:On April 24 2013 05:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:On April 24 2013 04:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
*sigh... I suppose its time I start rewatching season 1 and 2 again.
Ill be able to pick up on more subtle details and try to catch hints/clues on plot progression etc. Don't want to be mean, but there is nothing very "subtle" at all in the whole show. That's might even be why it's so enjoyable. You kidding me? Some of my favorites off the top of my head: Season One Episode Two: Jaime voices an opinion that he'd rather a clean death to being a cripple. Not the most subtle perhaps, but a neat bit of foreshadowing. End of Season One Episode Four: Eddard is watching Arya's first swordsmanship lesson and as the scene closes the sounds change from a child playing to the clangs of real steel on steel and the sounds of battle are heard. That's subtlety. There's actually a shit ton that people can read into that. Throughout Season One Pycelle, Varys, and Littlefinger each give Eddard clues to the secret of what Jon Arryn died for. Pycelle gives him the book, and bluntly mentions that poison is a eunuch's weapon, and that varys is a eunuch. Varys sends him on the path towards Gendry. Littlefinger sends him towards that whore who has Robert's infant bastard. On their own, none of these are subtle, but we get to see the way these three work. Littlefinger gains the most immediate benefit. Eddard was leaving the capital when Littlefinger stopped him and sent him thataway. He also stipulates that it has to be at nightfall. Littlefinger buys Eddards time with information, but Eddard is too focused on other matters to see what's really going on there. Varys seems to become less subtle in seasons 2 and 3 however. In the first few episodes of season 2 we hear three or four philosophies on power: Littlefinger believes that money is power. Cersei counters with a super short sighted opinion that power is power. She's not wrong, but she also fails to see her shortcomings. Varys displays a similar belief to Cersei but with far more depth: Power is an illusion. It is where men believe it is, thus he never becomes overconfident, but is still able to turn things to his favor. I think Tywin might voice an opinion on power in there somewhere as well, but for the life of me I can't remember what it is. The tickler is introduced eating a pear, and when Jaqen kills him Jaqen is eating the pear. Not a B-word spoiler in and of itself. But it still seems like a big point for me. Spoilered though because I REALLY can't go into why I think this is significant. + Show Spoiler +When Daenerys enters the house of the undying and meets Khal Drogo the son has dark hair. It may be a simple dream-vision thing, but the fact that in the vision a Targaryean son can have dark hair seems like a big deal to me. That being a big deal is only my opinion though. Anyways, I think the subtleties exist. Thanks for sharing those You have some more? I love stuff like this.
In one of the first episodes (maybe the first) Viscerys tells Dany that she will get married on that day. Dany looks almost numb and goes into the hot tub and her maid tells her "Don't, it is too hot mylady". It looks like she is depressed and wants to smother her emotional pain with physical pain but we know the real reason now why she doesn't care about the temperature of a tub - she is the dragon.
And when Viscerys has sex with that one maid she pours hot wax over him and he smiles and her and says "ouch" in a playful (not whining) way but he still felt it - he is not the dragon.
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On April 24 2013 19:57 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 18:46 Parlortricks wrote:
According to an article published on the New Yorker website, Martin states that Westeros is about the size of South America so I think the speculative map is rather accurate at least for Westeros. I don't like this at all because that map is literally so massive. Tywin was given two weeks to make his way from Casterly Rock to King's Landing in the first season. That means he's supposed to travel over forty miles a day on horseback through a mountain range.
Furthermore the size of the Red Wastes is absolutely ridiculous. There is no way in seven hells that Dany could have crossed that. I think that continent is incorrect to some extent.
Does anyone else have a length of time between events off the top of their heads? I'm interested in how long it took Robb to travel from Harrenhal to Riverrun because that would give a good sense of how far he can travel in a day with most of his forces (as he left Lord Bolton to hold Harrenhal). From there we can deduce how long it has been since the war started and other things such as how long it took Dany to make her way to Asterpor, et cetera. I wonder if the timeline makes any sense. As far as I know, there's no official map of the Red Waste and the surrounding areas, or at least none that gives any hints of the actual size. And I would recommend not trying to figure out the travel times of major characters. Like with practically any TV show in existence, the results would be pretty disappointing.
Well the HBO viewers guide map cuts the red waste basically in half compared to the other map we have.
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On April 24 2013 20:00 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 17:25 Zandar wrote:On April 24 2013 08:22 TheDougler wrote:On April 24 2013 05:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:On April 24 2013 04:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
*sigh... I suppose its time I start rewatching season 1 and 2 again.
Ill be able to pick up on more subtle details and try to catch hints/clues on plot progression etc. Don't want to be mean, but there is nothing very "subtle" at all in the whole show. That's might even be why it's so enjoyable. You kidding me? Some of my favorites off the top of my head: Season One Episode Two: Jaime voices an opinion that he'd rather a clean death to being a cripple. Not the most subtle perhaps, but a neat bit of foreshadowing. End of Season One Episode Four: Eddard is watching Arya's first swordsmanship lesson and as the scene closes the sounds change from a child playing to the clangs of real steel on steel and the sounds of battle are heard. That's subtlety. There's actually a shit ton that people can read into that. Throughout Season One Pycelle, Varys, and Littlefinger each give Eddard clues to the secret of what Jon Arryn died for. Pycelle gives him the book, and bluntly mentions that poison is a eunuch's weapon, and that varys is a eunuch. Varys sends him on the path towards Gendry. Littlefinger sends him towards that whore who has Robert's infant bastard. On their own, none of these are subtle, but we get to see the way these three work. Littlefinger gains the most immediate benefit. Eddard was leaving the capital when Littlefinger stopped him and sent him thataway. He also stipulates that it has to be at nightfall. Littlefinger buys Eddards time with information, but Eddard is too focused on other matters to see what's really going on there. Varys seems to become less subtle in seasons 2 and 3 however. In the first few episodes of season 2 we hear three or four philosophies on power: Littlefinger believes that money is power. Cersei counters with a super short sighted opinion that power is power. She's not wrong, but she also fails to see her shortcomings. Varys displays a similar belief to Cersei but with far more depth: Power is an illusion. It is where men believe it is, thus he never becomes overconfident, but is still able to turn things to his favor. I think Tywin might voice an opinion on power in there somewhere as well, but for the life of me I can't remember what it is. The tickler is introduced eating a pear, and when Jaqen kills him Jaqen is eating the pear. Not a B-word spoiler in and of itself. But it still seems like a big point for me. Spoilered though because I REALLY can't go into why I think this is significant. + Show Spoiler +When Daenerys enters the house of the undying and meets Khal Drogo the son has dark hair. It may be a simple dream-vision thing, but the fact that in the vision a Targaryean son can have dark hair seems like a big deal to me. That being a big deal is only my opinion though. Anyways, I think the subtleties exist. Thanks for sharing those You have some more? I love stuff like this. In one of the first episodes (maybe the first) Viscerys tells Dany that she will get married on that day. Dany looks almost numb and goes into the hot tub and her maid tells her "Don't, it is too hot mylady". It looks like she is depressed and wants to smother her emotional pain with physical pain but we know the real reason now why she doesn't care about the temperature of a tub - she is the dragon. And when Viscerys has sex with that one maid she pours hot wax over him and he smiles and her and says "ouch" in a playful (not whining) way but he still felt it - he is not the dragon.
Adding on to this:
Craster uses the same axe to defend himself from the Night's watchmen that he was given by the Old Bear when they visited him on their way to the Fist.
Oh and in Ep 3 there is foreshadowing for Jaime in Ep 4. When Jaime takes Brienne's second sword, Jaime exclaims why a knight would need two swords, and then understands that Brienne probably is ambidextrous (He flicks the sword from one hand to another with a knowing look).
Thoros of Myr was the guy Jaime and Jory were talking about in S1E4. Thoros was the first to charge through the breach in the battle against Balon Greyjoy's rebellion on Pyke. He used a burning sword in that battle, and the same in melees. Which is why he made the comment to Gendry about Tobho Mott's shop in S3E3. Thoros had to buy many swords there (Robert helped pay for them, Thoros was a good friend of Robert), because they'd be useless after a fight, and Tobho Mott would complain about Thoros ruining his wares.
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I was always thinking that westeros was so similar to medieval Great Britain. With hadrians wall and the wildlings beyond the wall(scots). The first men(celts) that lived before the andals(saxons) came and the wild tribes across the sea (dothraki/vikings)
London = Kings Landing
Dorne = Wessex
North = Northumbria
Beyond the Wall = Scotland
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I see a lot of paralles and from reading Bernard Cornwell Alfred the Great book series and als a lot of game of thrones aspects. Of course a lot is different and some comparisons are a little bit shaky but very much is so similar.
So i was also imagining that the scale is similar. To compare westeros to south america seems a bit oversized in scale for me.
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Fenrax
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On April 24 2013 21:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:I was always thinking that westeros was so similar to medieval Great Britain. With hadrians wall and the wildlings beyond the wall(scots). The first men(celts) that lived before the andals(saxons) came and the wild tribes across the sea (dothraki/vikings) London = Kings Landing Dorne = Wessex North = Northumbria Beyond the Wall = Scotland + Show Spoiler +I see a lot of paralles and from reading Bernard Cornwell Alfred the Great book series and als a lot of game of thrones aspects. Of course a lot is different and some comparisons are a little bit shaky but very much is so similar. So i was also imagining that the scale is similar. To compare westeros to south america seems a bit oversized in scale for me.
I like the comparison to Great Britain with the wall. Makes sense that it was inspired by that. And the scots=wildlings comparison is pretty funny.
But for the size of Westoros South America fits much better. Great britain is too small for such differencies in the climate where it can be warm and comfy on one end and dead cold on the other.
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On April 24 2013 17:25 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 08:22 TheDougler wrote:On April 24 2013 05:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:On April 24 2013 04:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
*sigh... I suppose its time I start rewatching season 1 and 2 again.
Ill be able to pick up on more subtle details and try to catch hints/clues on plot progression etc. Don't want to be mean, but there is nothing very "subtle" at all in the whole show. That's might even be why it's so enjoyable. You kidding me? Some of my favorites off the top of my head: Season One Episode Two: Jaime voices an opinion that he'd rather a clean death to being a cripple. Not the most subtle perhaps, but a neat bit of foreshadowing. End of Season One Episode Four: Eddard is watching Arya's first swordsmanship lesson and as the scene closes the sounds change from a child playing to the clangs of real steel on steel and the sounds of battle are heard. That's subtlety. There's actually a shit ton that people can read into that. Throughout Season One Pycelle, Varys, and Littlefinger each give Eddard clues to the secret of what Jon Arryn died for. Pycelle gives him the book, and bluntly mentions that poison is a eunuch's weapon, and that varys is a eunuch. Varys sends him on the path towards Gendry. Littlefinger sends him towards that whore who has Robert's infant bastard. On their own, none of these are subtle, but we get to see the way these three work. Littlefinger gains the most immediate benefit. Eddard was leaving the capital when Littlefinger stopped him and sent him thataway. He also stipulates that it has to be at nightfall. Littlefinger buys Eddards time with information, but Eddard is too focused on other matters to see what's really going on there. Varys seems to become less subtle in seasons 2 and 3 however. In the first few episodes of season 2 we hear three or four philosophies on power: Littlefinger believes that money is power. Cersei counters with a super short sighted opinion that power is power. She's not wrong, but she also fails to see her shortcomings. Varys displays a similar belief to Cersei but with far more depth: Power is an illusion. It is where men believe it is, thus he never becomes overconfident, but is still able to turn things to his favor. I think Tywin might voice an opinion on power in there somewhere as well, but for the life of me I can't remember what it is. The tickler is introduced eating a pear, and when Jaqen kills him Jaqen is eating the pear. Not a B-word spoiler in and of itself. But it still seems like a big point for me. Spoilered though because I REALLY can't go into why I think this is significant. + Show Spoiler +When Daenerys enters the house of the undying and meets Khal Drogo the son has dark hair. It may be a simple dream-vision thing, but the fact that in the vision a Targaryean son can have dark hair seems like a big deal to me. That being a big deal is only my opinion though. Anyways, I think the subtleties exist. Thanks for sharing those You have some more? I love stuff like this.
there is a lot of symbolism in the series:
the dire wolf that had the pups which were given to the stark kids was accidently killed by a stag. can be interpreted as foreshadowing king robert (stag sigil) being responsible for neds (dire wolf sigil) death in the end by forcing him to go to kings landing which of course wasnt his intend.
similar the scene with tywin professionally gutting a deer while talking to jaime, which maybe a sign for the systematic attempt of lannisters trying to get rid off the baratheons. also shows tywins character: if you wanna get something done right better do it yourself, which continues on all through the series still.
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I've been to Scotland. It doesn't look like beyond the wall....
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On April 24 2013 22:01 ecstazy wrote:
I've been to Scotland. It doesn't look like beyond the wall....
it doesnt? Link That looks like they shot the show in scotland. btw where do they shoot it anyway? or is most of it greenscreen? i cant even remember.
Ofc my comparison is not 1:1 and climate in westeros is very special and has a lot of fantasy elements. you know, winters that last for years and big differences in climate to have more unique and interesting settings close together.
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On April 24 2013 22:01 ecstazy wrote:
I've been to Scotland. It doesn't look like beyond the wall....
Scotland still has summer season, Winter is Coming!!!
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On April 24 2013 22:08 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 22:01 ecstazy wrote:
I've been to Scotland. It doesn't look like beyond the wall.... it doesnt? Link That looks like they shot the show in scotland. btw where do they shoot it anyway? or is most of it greenscreen? i cant even remember. Ofc my comparison is not 1:1 and climate in westeros is very special and has a lot of fantasy elements. you know, winters that last for years and big differences in climate to have more unique and interesting settings close together.
Beyond the wall is shot in Iceland. They take a lot of pride in how they shoot at great locations instead of using green screen.
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On April 24 2013 21:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:I was always thinking that westeros was so similar to medieval Great Britain. With hadrians wall and the wildlings beyond the wall(scots). The first men(celts) that lived before the andals(saxons) came and the wild tribes across the sea (dothraki/vikings) London = Kings Landing Dorne = Wessex North = Northumbria Beyond the Wall = Scotland + Show Spoiler +I see a lot of paralles and from reading Bernard Cornwell Alfred the Great book series and als a lot of game of thrones aspects. Of course a lot is different and some comparisons are a little bit shaky but very much is so similar. So i was also imagining that the scale is similar. To compare westeros to south america seems a bit oversized in scale for me.
The author of the series had many, many, inspirations. Sorting them out becomes a bit of a jumbled mess. A lot of the story was inspired by the War of the Roses which took place in England from roughly 1455-1485. Yet, the author took pieces from the entire history of medieval Europe. The Wall is indeed inspired by Hadrian's Wall. Another easy parallel is the Dothraki who were inspired by the Mongol Hordes of Ghengis Khan and his successors. Most things in the book, however, don't quite have that neat 1:1 relation. Generally, the farther south in Westeros you go, the farther south in Europe you go, for example the dress and architecture of Highgarden (The Tyrell family) is more inspired by the Mediterranean countries (Florance, Naples, Milan, etc) than by England. He also uses the history of the fantasy genre as inspiration. The most obvious of these inspirations is Samwell Tarly, who was inspired by Samwise Gamgee from the Lord of the Rings. They are both nicknamed "Sam", are both heavy set, good-natured, gentle, slightly naive and self doubting. They are both more courageous than they give themselves credit for and are extremely loyal friends to their respective protagonists.
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On April 24 2013 21:30 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 21:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:I was always thinking that westeros was so similar to medieval Great Britain. With hadrians wall and the wildlings beyond the wall(scots). The first men(celts) that lived before the andals(saxons) came and the wild tribes across the sea (dothraki/vikings) London = Kings Landing Dorne = Wessex North = Northumbria Beyond the Wall = Scotland + Show Spoiler +I see a lot of paralles and from reading Bernard Cornwell Alfred the Great book series and als a lot of game of thrones aspects. Of course a lot is different and some comparisons are a little bit shaky but very much is so similar. So i was also imagining that the scale is similar. To compare westeros to south america seems a bit oversized in scale for me. I like the comparison to Great Britain with the wall. Makes sense that it was inspired by that. And the scots=wildlings comparison is pretty funny. But for the size of Westoros South America fits much better. Great britain is too small for such differencies in the climate where it can be warm and comfy on one end and dead cold on the other.
There's a pretty blunt reference to the England similarity in that the people who live in King's Landing have the correct accent for Londoners and the people from the north the correct accent for Northerners...
It's more like a supersize version of the UK.
On April 24 2013 23:13 Quexana wrote:They are both more courageous than they give themselves credit for and are extremely loyal friends to their respective protagonists.
I was actually thinking that the reason Samwell Tarley is a great character is that he is far more pathetic than you expect him to be. Although it seems that with his latest action he is maybe coming round to be a cliché character, unfortunately. Keeping cliché at bay is one of the best things Martin seems to do with his characters.
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Something I just thought of; Osha, the wildling that helps Bran, she seems awfully loyal don't you think? Almost like she's too good to be true?
Maybe I'm just gotten used to the fact that the "civilized people" (i.e. non-wildlings) all have different hidden agendas, and you'd expect her to have one aswell. Maybe betrayal is alien to the wildlings, as they're more natural and "down to earth" than the power hungry "southerners" and for that reason she would never betray Bran and Rickon whom she's grown fond of.
But still, they pretty much just killed the people she was with in season 1 and made her a slave/prisoner/servant, and now she's been given a whole lot of responsibility. What do you think?
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On April 24 2013 22:01 ecstazy wrote:
I've been to Scotland. It doesn't look like beyond the wall....
You haven't spent enough time there then.
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