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On May 30 2012 05:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Anyone else think the Lord of Light is Westerosi version of Satan? From the evil-vibe priestess to the demon baby to the devil being called "the angel of light" before he fell, seems like a good match.
Only if you think the Others in the north are on Heaven's side.
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On May 30 2012 05:04 woody60707 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 05:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Anyone else think the Lord of Light is Westerosi version of Satan? From the evil-vibe priestess to the demon baby to the devil being called "the angel of light" before he fell, seems like a good match. Only if you think the Others in the north are on Heaven's side.
They seem more Shinto or Pagan to me - nature spirits everywhere without names or identities. Although the Seven are Christian - instead of the Father Son and Holy Ghost you have Father, Mother, Maiden, Warrior, Smith, Crone and Stranger.
And Stannis converted from the Seven to Light didn't he? So he sold his soul for the army in some way.
IDK if this is on purpose, I just kinda drew a line from one to the other.
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On May 30 2012 04:33 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 04:04 StorkHwaiting wrote:On May 30 2012 03:42 sc4k wrote:On May 30 2012 02:46 CursedRich wrote:On May 30 2012 02:25 Bleak wrote:Finally we were able to watch a good episode this season. + Show Spoiler +I didn't get why they didn't have more wildfire barrels. That warehouse the old alchemist showed Tyrion was full of that shit. That small boat wouldn't hold enough of it to completely deplete the reserves. I expected them to hurl the barrels with catapults toward the fleet and soldiers, but was disappointed to see that didn't happen. If it wasn't for Tyrion and Tywin, the rest of the episodes so far would have been unwatchable for me. I hope this episode means things will pick up the pace now and we'll watch quality episodes. In that case i don't think that GOT is for you I have to echo CursedRich. Tyrion and Tywin are the only characters I actually sympathise with and really enjoy watching. Some of the storylines not involving them are class, but the characters themselves do not appeal to me. They are either a) too stupid, b) too deviant, or c) not believable. Honourable mention should I guess go to Bronn and the hound but they wouldn't be able to make the show 'good' in the absence of Tyrion or Tywin. If either of them dies then there better be a new character coming to take the reigns. Because I seriously can't stand half of the characters there. I enjoy the things that happen to them but can't stand them. Dany is the worst, only reason I don't fast forward through her is the dragons and the cool scenery/ change of pace in that area. What?? How are Arya, Sansa, Rob, and Jon not believable? Or Theon? Or Littlefinger or Varys? There are plenty of cool characters in this show. Various aspects of Arya's character scream 'artificial', she feels like the most 'forced' character, although having said that Danarys is definitely giving her a run for her money in that department. Littlefinger and Varys are unbelievable because they know too much information, and Martin gives an unrealistic and exaggerated amount of credit to the powers of spy networks to collect information. I don't consider any of the other characters mentioned not believable but they fall into my other aspects. Stupid = Rob, Jon, Theon, Sansa. I should say that I don't really mean stupid as in half-wit, I just mean that they make irritatingly un-thought-out decisions. I know they are supposed to be young, but I don't want to watch young people make stupid choices on shows, it's just not the sort of thing I watch TV for. I dislike young people mostly, I don't usually watch shows where the majority of the characters are teenagers. Of course that's a personal preference so you are entitled to have whatever opinion you have. By the way aside from reasons I have given there, I don't consider any of the characters you just mentioned to be 'cool'. Rob was the only one I was holding out for, but I just kind of lost interest when he started gawking at the medicine noblewoman. He might redeem himself though. I should say that I do sympathise with Arya and I like her story more than most of the others, but I just don't like the forced aspects of her character. Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 04:18 FREEloss_ca wrote:
But at the same time you have to understand his position. He was only 17 when he stabbed the Mad King; he was young and confused. He was most definitely torn, facing a horrible dilemma. After all, the man he was sworn to protect turned into a murderous maniac. The honourable thing to do would have been to have died defending the Mad King, or perhaps forsake his oath and flee King's Landing as soon as Aeries went Mad and joined the rebellion. Haha, personally I would have done what Jaime did!
How is Rob or Jon or Theon or Sansa stupid?
Rob united the North and has won every battle he's fought against the Lannisters. Where is the stupidity?
Jon is a bastard and was pretty much forced to go to the Wall by Catelyn Stark. Since going there, he's proven himself to be one of the best fighters and Mormont singled him out as leadership potential. He couldn't bring himself to kill a wildling woman because he's never killed a woman before. So instead, he decided to take her prisoner while he went to meet back up with his ranger party. At worst, you could say he's too soft-hearted. But stupid? What part of that was stupid? The fact he got lost? Shit like that happens. People get lost IRL. And it's not always because they're dumb.
Theon decided to side with his blood and took Winterfell in a brilliant raid that nobody saw coming. That is the epitome of a bad ass strategist. Just because his sister philosophically disagrees with him on how the Ironborn should wage their war doesn't make him dumb.
Sansa was immature, but I don't think she's at all stupid. If she was stupid, she'd be making a fuss and saying she hates Joffrey and doing pretty much everything possible to get her head put on a chopping block. Instead, she's been very careful to conceal her feelings and play the perfect princess, while quietly learning the politics of everything and trying to find a way to survive.
You've offered a lot of opinion with very little substance to back them up. What parts of Arya are forced? LF and Varys know too much?!
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On May 30 2012 05:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 05:04 woody60707 wrote:On May 30 2012 05:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Anyone else think the Lord of Light is Westerosi version of Satan? From the evil-vibe priestess to the demon baby to the devil being called "the angel of light" before he fell, seems like a good match. Only if you think the Others in the north are on Heaven's side. They seem more Shinto or Pagan to me - nature spirits everywhere without names or identities. Although the Seven are Christian - instead of the Father Son and Holy Ghost you have Father, Mother, Maiden, Warrior, Smith, Crone and Stranger. And Stannis converted from the Seven to Light didn't he? So he sold his soul for the army in some way. IDK if this is on purpose, I just kinda drew a line from one to the other.
I don't think the Seven are anything like Christianity. They're more like a Greek/Roman pantheon than anything. Melisandre's Lord of Light is more like Christianity than any of the other religions. The old gods with the weirdwood etc are more Celtic inspired.
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Another gem no one has mentioned:
Random Knight: "But my lord, hundreds will die!"
Stannis: "Thousands..."
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On May 30 2012 05:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 05:04 woody60707 wrote:On May 30 2012 05:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Anyone else think the Lord of Light is Westerosi version of Satan? From the evil-vibe priestess to the demon baby to the devil being called "the angel of light" before he fell, seems like a good match. Only if you think the Others in the north are on Heaven's side. They seem more Shinto or Pagan to me - nature spirits everywhere without names or identities. Although the Seven are Christian - instead of the Father Son and Holy Ghost you have Father, Mother, Maiden, Warrior, Smith, Crone and Stranger. And Stannis converted from the Seven to Light didn't he? So he sold his soul for the army in some way. IDK if this is on purpose, I just kinda drew a line from one to the other.
My friend drew a very similar comparison, so maybe you're right.
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On May 30 2012 05:11 FREEloss_ca wrote:
Another gem no one has mentioned:
Random Knight: "But my lord, hundreds will die!"
Stannis: "Thousands..."
Best line in the entire season. Perfect Stannis delivery imo.
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On May 30 2012 04:05 RCMDVA wrote:
So all these loose ends need to get either tied up, or have some kind of cliff hanger in the next 70 minute season finale?
Jon & Wildings
Robb & the War
Everyone in Kings Landing
Dany and the dragons
Arya running around on the loose now.
Jamie running back to the Lannisters.
Brann & Rickon hiding / Theon & Yara in Winterfell
So each one gets about 10 minutes of screen time.
There were A LOT of lose ends last finale, and I expect the same now tbh..
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Speaking of gems in that last episode, right before Bronn shot the wildfire, I like how Tyrion first takes the time to try and poke Joffrey with the torch before tossing it.
I was just getting over it when the big boom came :D
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On May 30 2012 05:13 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 05:11 FREEloss_ca wrote:
Another gem no one has mentioned:
Random Knight: "But my lord, hundreds will die!"
Stannis: "Thousands..." Best line in the entire season. Perfect Stannis delivery imo.
Hey zatic, could you upload the explosion gif to the OP please?
It would be so swag :D
EDIT: I meant zelniq but if you can do it that would cool !
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On May 30 2012 05:11 FREEloss_ca wrote:
Another gem no one has mentioned:
Random Knight: "But my lord, hundreds will die!"
Stannis: "Thousands..."
Another one I liked:
Surprise? ...
Varus knows what you had for breakfast three days ago.
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On May 30 2012 05:10 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 04:33 sc4k wrote:On May 30 2012 04:04 StorkHwaiting wrote:On May 30 2012 03:42 sc4k wrote:On May 30 2012 02:46 CursedRich wrote:On May 30 2012 02:25 Bleak wrote:Finally we were able to watch a good episode this season. + Show Spoiler +I didn't get why they didn't have more wildfire barrels. That warehouse the old alchemist showed Tyrion was full of that shit. That small boat wouldn't hold enough of it to completely deplete the reserves. I expected them to hurl the barrels with catapults toward the fleet and soldiers, but was disappointed to see that didn't happen. If it wasn't for Tyrion and Tywin, the rest of the episodes so far would have been unwatchable for me. I hope this episode means things will pick up the pace now and we'll watch quality episodes. In that case i don't think that GOT is for you I have to echo CursedRich. Tyrion and Tywin are the only characters I actually sympathise with and really enjoy watching. Some of the storylines not involving them are class, but the characters themselves do not appeal to me. They are either a) too stupid, b) too deviant, or c) not believable. Honourable mention should I guess go to Bronn and the hound but they wouldn't be able to make the show 'good' in the absence of Tyrion or Tywin. If either of them dies then there better be a new character coming to take the reigns. Because I seriously can't stand half of the characters there. I enjoy the things that happen to them but can't stand them. Dany is the worst, only reason I don't fast forward through her is the dragons and the cool scenery/ change of pace in that area. What?? How are Arya, Sansa, Rob, and Jon not believable? Or Theon? Or Littlefinger or Varys? There are plenty of cool characters in this show. Various aspects of Arya's character scream 'artificial', she feels like the most 'forced' character, although having said that Danarys is definitely giving her a run for her money in that department. Littlefinger and Varys are unbelievable because they know too much information, and Martin gives an unrealistic and exaggerated amount of credit to the powers of spy networks to collect information. I don't consider any of the other characters mentioned not believable but they fall into my other aspects. Stupid = Rob, Jon, Theon, Sansa. I should say that I don't really mean stupid as in half-wit, I just mean that they make irritatingly un-thought-out decisions. I know they are supposed to be young, but I don't want to watch young people make stupid choices on shows, it's just not the sort of thing I watch TV for. I dislike young people mostly, I don't usually watch shows where the majority of the characters are teenagers. Of course that's a personal preference so you are entitled to have whatever opinion you have. By the way aside from reasons I have given there, I don't consider any of the characters you just mentioned to be 'cool'. Rob was the only one I was holding out for, but I just kind of lost interest when he started gawking at the medicine noblewoman. He might redeem himself though. I should say that I do sympathise with Arya and I like her story more than most of the others, but I just don't like the forced aspects of her character. On May 30 2012 04:18 FREEloss_ca wrote:
But at the same time you have to understand his position. He was only 17 when he stabbed the Mad King; he was young and confused. He was most definitely torn, facing a horrible dilemma. After all, the man he was sworn to protect turned into a murderous maniac. The honourable thing to do would have been to have died defending the Mad King, or perhaps forsake his oath and flee King's Landing as soon as Aeries went Mad and joined the rebellion. Haha, personally I would have done what Jaime did! + Show Spoiler +
How is Rob or Jon or Theon or Sansa stupid?
Rob united the North and has won every battle he's fought against the Lannisters. Where is the stupidity?
Jon is a bastard and was pretty much forced to go to the Wall by Catelyn Stark. Since going there, he's proven himself to be one of the best fighters and Mormont singled him out as leadership potential. He couldn't bring himself to kill a wildling woman because he's never killed a woman before. So instead, he decided to take her prisoner while he went to meet back up with his ranger party. At worst, you could say he's too soft-hearted. But stupid? What part of that was stupid? The fact he got lost? Shit like that happens. People get lost IRL. And it's not always because they're dumb.
Theon decided to side with his blood and took Winterfell in a brilliant raid that nobody saw coming. That is the epitome of a bad ass strategist. Just because his sister philosophically disagrees with him on how the Ironborn should wage their war doesn't make him dumb.
Sansa was immature, but I don't think she's at all stupid. If she was stupid, she'd be making a fuss and saying she hates Joffrey and doing pretty much everything possible to get her head put on a chopping block. Instead, she's been very careful to conceal her feelings and play the perfect princess, while quietly learning the politics of everything and trying to find a way to survive.
You've offered a lot of opinion with very little substance to back them up. What parts of Arya are forced? LF and Varys know too much?!
You would do well to read my qualification of the word stupid. I haven't offered much substance about Arya's forced character because I am very busy right now memorising cases for a law exam tomorrow!!!! I really shoudn't be on here anyway. I might continue the argument later if you really care!
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On May 30 2012 05:22 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 05:10 StorkHwaiting wrote:On May 30 2012 04:33 sc4k wrote:On May 30 2012 04:04 StorkHwaiting wrote:On May 30 2012 03:42 sc4k wrote:On May 30 2012 02:46 CursedRich wrote:On May 30 2012 02:25 Bleak wrote:Finally we were able to watch a good episode this season. + Show Spoiler +I didn't get why they didn't have more wildfire barrels. That warehouse the old alchemist showed Tyrion was full of that shit. That small boat wouldn't hold enough of it to completely deplete the reserves. I expected them to hurl the barrels with catapults toward the fleet and soldiers, but was disappointed to see that didn't happen. If it wasn't for Tyrion and Tywin, the rest of the episodes so far would have been unwatchable for me. I hope this episode means things will pick up the pace now and we'll watch quality episodes. In that case i don't think that GOT is for you I have to echo CursedRich. Tyrion and Tywin are the only characters I actually sympathise with and really enjoy watching. Some of the storylines not involving them are class, but the characters themselves do not appeal to me. They are either a) too stupid, b) too deviant, or c) not believable. Honourable mention should I guess go to Bronn and the hound but they wouldn't be able to make the show 'good' in the absence of Tyrion or Tywin. If either of them dies then there better be a new character coming to take the reigns. Because I seriously can't stand half of the characters there. I enjoy the things that happen to them but can't stand them. Dany is the worst, only reason I don't fast forward through her is the dragons and the cool scenery/ change of pace in that area. What?? How are Arya, Sansa, Rob, and Jon not believable? Or Theon? Or Littlefinger or Varys? There are plenty of cool characters in this show. Various aspects of Arya's character scream 'artificial', she feels like the most 'forced' character, although having said that Danarys is definitely giving her a run for her money in that department. Littlefinger and Varys are unbelievable because they know too much information, and Martin gives an unrealistic and exaggerated amount of credit to the powers of spy networks to collect information. I don't consider any of the other characters mentioned not believable but they fall into my other aspects. Stupid = Rob, Jon, Theon, Sansa. I should say that I don't really mean stupid as in half-wit, I just mean that they make irritatingly un-thought-out decisions. I know they are supposed to be young, but I don't want to watch young people make stupid choices on shows, it's just not the sort of thing I watch TV for. I dislike young people mostly, I don't usually watch shows where the majority of the characters are teenagers. Of course that's a personal preference so you are entitled to have whatever opinion you have. By the way aside from reasons I have given there, I don't consider any of the characters you just mentioned to be 'cool'. Rob was the only one I was holding out for, but I just kind of lost interest when he started gawking at the medicine noblewoman. He might redeem himself though. I should say that I do sympathise with Arya and I like her story more than most of the others, but I just don't like the forced aspects of her character. On May 30 2012 04:18 FREEloss_ca wrote:
But at the same time you have to understand his position. He was only 17 when he stabbed the Mad King; he was young and confused. He was most definitely torn, facing a horrible dilemma. After all, the man he was sworn to protect turned into a murderous maniac. The honourable thing to do would have been to have died defending the Mad King, or perhaps forsake his oath and flee King's Landing as soon as Aeries went Mad and joined the rebellion. Haha, personally I would have done what Jaime did! + Show Spoiler +
How is Rob or Jon or Theon or Sansa stupid?
Rob united the North and has won every battle he's fought against the Lannisters. Where is the stupidity?
Jon is a bastard and was pretty much forced to go to the Wall by Catelyn Stark. Since going there, he's proven himself to be one of the best fighters and Mormont singled him out as leadership potential. He couldn't bring himself to kill a wildling woman because he's never killed a woman before. So instead, he decided to take her prisoner while he went to meet back up with his ranger party. At worst, you could say he's too soft-hearted. But stupid? What part of that was stupid? The fact he got lost? Shit like that happens. People get lost IRL. And it's not always because they're dumb.
Theon decided to side with his blood and took Winterfell in a brilliant raid that nobody saw coming. That is the epitome of a bad ass strategist. Just because his sister philosophically disagrees with him on how the Ironborn should wage their war doesn't make him dumb.
Sansa was immature, but I don't think she's at all stupid. If she was stupid, she'd be making a fuss and saying she hates Joffrey and doing pretty much everything possible to get her head put on a chopping block. Instead, she's been very careful to conceal her feelings and play the perfect princess, while quietly learning the politics of everything and trying to find a way to survive.
You've offered a lot of opinion with very little substance to back them up. What parts of Arya are forced? LF and Varys know too much?!
You would do well to read my qualification of the word stupid. I haven't offered much substance about Arya's forced character because I am very busy right now memorising cases for a law exam tomorrow!!!! I really shoudn't be on here anyway. I might continue the argument later if you really care!
Sounds good, friend. I am curious as to what you think, because while I may not like all the characters, I do think most of their motivations are believable. GL with the law exam 
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On May 30 2012 05:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 05:04 woody60707 wrote:On May 30 2012 05:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Anyone else think the Lord of Light is Westerosi version of Satan? From the evil-vibe priestess to the demon baby to the devil being called "the angel of light" before he fell, seems like a good match. Only if you think the Others in the north are on Heaven's side. They seem more Shinto or Pagan to me - nature spirits everywhere without names or identities. Although the Seven are Christian - instead of the Father Son and Holy Ghost you have Father, Mother, Maiden, Warrior, Smith, Crone and Stranger. And Stannis converted from the Seven to Light didn't he? So he sold his soul for the army in some way. IDK if this is on purpose, I just kinda drew a line from one to the other.
How can you ascribe the Others to a religion? The Others are the ice zombies in the North. Maybe you were thinking the Old Gods,the tree spirits, for paganism? Lord of Light is closer to Christianity's dualism God since his counterpart is 'he who's name may not be spoken' = Satan.
As for the evil-vibe priestess, we currently only have her POV as a practitioner of that faith.
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On May 30 2012 05:28 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 05:22 sc4k wrote:On May 30 2012 05:10 StorkHwaiting wrote:On May 30 2012 04:33 sc4k wrote:On May 30 2012 04:04 StorkHwaiting wrote:On May 30 2012 03:42 sc4k wrote:On May 30 2012 02:46 CursedRich wrote:On May 30 2012 02:25 Bleak wrote:Finally we were able to watch a good episode this season. + Show Spoiler +I didn't get why they didn't have more wildfire barrels. That warehouse the old alchemist showed Tyrion was full of that shit. That small boat wouldn't hold enough of it to completely deplete the reserves. I expected them to hurl the barrels with catapults toward the fleet and soldiers, but was disappointed to see that didn't happen. If it wasn't for Tyrion and Tywin, the rest of the episodes so far would have been unwatchable for me. I hope this episode means things will pick up the pace now and we'll watch quality episodes. In that case i don't think that GOT is for you I have to echo CursedRich. Tyrion and Tywin are the only characters I actually sympathise with and really enjoy watching. Some of the storylines not involving them are class, but the characters themselves do not appeal to me. They are either a) too stupid, b) too deviant, or c) not believable. Honourable mention should I guess go to Bronn and the hound but they wouldn't be able to make the show 'good' in the absence of Tyrion or Tywin. If either of them dies then there better be a new character coming to take the reigns. Because I seriously can't stand half of the characters there. I enjoy the things that happen to them but can't stand them. Dany is the worst, only reason I don't fast forward through her is the dragons and the cool scenery/ change of pace in that area. What?? How are Arya, Sansa, Rob, and Jon not believable? Or Theon? Or Littlefinger or Varys? There are plenty of cool characters in this show. Various aspects of Arya's character scream 'artificial', she feels like the most 'forced' character, although having said that Danarys is definitely giving her a run for her money in that department. Littlefinger and Varys are unbelievable because they know too much information, and Martin gives an unrealistic and exaggerated amount of credit to the powers of spy networks to collect information. I don't consider any of the other characters mentioned not believable but they fall into my other aspects. Stupid = Rob, Jon, Theon, Sansa. I should say that I don't really mean stupid as in half-wit, I just mean that they make irritatingly un-thought-out decisions. I know they are supposed to be young, but I don't want to watch young people make stupid choices on shows, it's just not the sort of thing I watch TV for. I dislike young people mostly, I don't usually watch shows where the majority of the characters are teenagers. Of course that's a personal preference so you are entitled to have whatever opinion you have. By the way aside from reasons I have given there, I don't consider any of the characters you just mentioned to be 'cool'. Rob was the only one I was holding out for, but I just kind of lost interest when he started gawking at the medicine noblewoman. He might redeem himself though. I should say that I do sympathise with Arya and I like her story more than most of the others, but I just don't like the forced aspects of her character. On May 30 2012 04:18 FREEloss_ca wrote:
But at the same time you have to understand his position. He was only 17 when he stabbed the Mad King; he was young and confused. He was most definitely torn, facing a horrible dilemma. After all, the man he was sworn to protect turned into a murderous maniac. The honourable thing to do would have been to have died defending the Mad King, or perhaps forsake his oath and flee King's Landing as soon as Aeries went Mad and joined the rebellion. Haha, personally I would have done what Jaime did! + Show Spoiler +
How is Rob or Jon or Theon or Sansa stupid?
Rob united the North and has won every battle he's fought against the Lannisters. Where is the stupidity?
Jon is a bastard and was pretty much forced to go to the Wall by Catelyn Stark. Since going there, he's proven himself to be one of the best fighters and Mormont singled him out as leadership potential. He couldn't bring himself to kill a wildling woman because he's never killed a woman before. So instead, he decided to take her prisoner while he went to meet back up with his ranger party. At worst, you could say he's too soft-hearted. But stupid? What part of that was stupid? The fact he got lost? Shit like that happens. People get lost IRL. And it's not always because they're dumb.
Theon decided to side with his blood and took Winterfell in a brilliant raid that nobody saw coming. That is the epitome of a bad ass strategist. Just because his sister philosophically disagrees with him on how the Ironborn should wage their war doesn't make him dumb.
Sansa was immature, but I don't think she's at all stupid. If she was stupid, she'd be making a fuss and saying she hates Joffrey and doing pretty much everything possible to get her head put on a chopping block. Instead, she's been very careful to conceal her feelings and play the perfect princess, while quietly learning the politics of everything and trying to find a way to survive.
You've offered a lot of opinion with very little substance to back them up. What parts of Arya are forced? LF and Varys know too much?!
You would do well to read my qualification of the word stupid. I haven't offered much substance about Arya's forced character because I am very busy right now memorising cases for a law exam tomorrow!!!! I really shoudn't be on here anyway. I might continue the argument later if you really care! Sounds good, friend. I am curious as to what you think, because while I may not like all the characters, I do think most of their motivations are believable. GL with the law exam
Definitely an example of why I love TL
Id like to pipe in on the believability (thats not even a word...'realism' as a substitute?) of LF and Varys' spy networks.
1) There are many things they dont know that they shouldn't, such as Bran and Rickon being burned.
2) They are smart enough to know how to appear more knowledgable than they actually are
3) Its made pretty clear that everyone in kings landing is spying on everyone. Lots of information inbalance 
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On May 30 2012 05:51 SilverLeagueElite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 05:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On May 30 2012 05:04 woody60707 wrote:On May 30 2012 05:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Anyone else think the Lord of Light is Westerosi version of Satan? From the evil-vibe priestess to the demon baby to the devil being called "the angel of light" before he fell, seems like a good match. Only if you think the Others in the north are on Heaven's side. They seem more Shinto or Pagan to me - nature spirits everywhere without names or identities. Although the Seven are Christian - instead of the Father Son and Holy Ghost you have Father, Mother, Maiden, Warrior, Smith, Crone and Stranger. And Stannis converted from the Seven to Light didn't he? So he sold his soul for the army in some way. IDK if this is on purpose, I just kinda drew a line from one to the other. How can you ascribe the Others to a religion? The Others are the ice zombies in the North. Maybe you were thinking the Old Gods,the tree spirits, for paganism? Lord of Light is closer to Christianity's dualism God since his counterpart is 'he who's name may not be spoken' = Satan. As for the evil-vibe priestess, we currently only have her POV as a practitioner of that faith.
My mistake, I was in fact thinking of the Old Gods.
And I looked him up, I think you're actually right, but the counterpart isn't mentioned in the show (at least from what I remember) and that demon baby is still a bit on the shady side (no pun intended).
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On May 30 2012 05:10 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 04:33 sc4k wrote:On May 30 2012 04:04 StorkHwaiting wrote:On May 30 2012 03:42 sc4k wrote:On May 30 2012 02:46 CursedRich wrote:On May 30 2012 02:25 Bleak wrote:Finally we were able to watch a good episode this season. + Show Spoiler +I didn't get why they didn't have more wildfire barrels. That warehouse the old alchemist showed Tyrion was full of that shit. That small boat wouldn't hold enough of it to completely deplete the reserves. I expected them to hurl the barrels with catapults toward the fleet and soldiers, but was disappointed to see that didn't happen. If it wasn't for Tyrion and Tywin, the rest of the episodes so far would have been unwatchable for me. I hope this episode means things will pick up the pace now and we'll watch quality episodes. In that case i don't think that GOT is for you I have to echo CursedRich. Tyrion and Tywin are the only characters I actually sympathise with and really enjoy watching. Some of the storylines not involving them are class, but the characters themselves do not appeal to me. They are either a) too stupid, b) too deviant, or c) not believable. Honourable mention should I guess go to Bronn and the hound but they wouldn't be able to make the show 'good' in the absence of Tyrion or Tywin. If either of them dies then there better be a new character coming to take the reigns. Because I seriously can't stand half of the characters there. I enjoy the things that happen to them but can't stand them. Dany is the worst, only reason I don't fast forward through her is the dragons and the cool scenery/ change of pace in that area. What?? How are Arya, Sansa, Rob, and Jon not believable? Or Theon? Or Littlefinger or Varys? There are plenty of cool characters in this show. Various aspects of Arya's character scream 'artificial', she feels like the most 'forced' character, although having said that Danarys is definitely giving her a run for her money in that department. Littlefinger and Varys are unbelievable because they know too much information, and Martin gives an unrealistic and exaggerated amount of credit to the powers of spy networks to collect information. I don't consider any of the other characters mentioned not believable but they fall into my other aspects. Stupid = Rob, Jon, Theon, Sansa. I should say that I don't really mean stupid as in half-wit, I just mean that they make irritatingly un-thought-out decisions. I know they are supposed to be young, but I don't want to watch young people make stupid choices on shows, it's just not the sort of thing I watch TV for. I dislike young people mostly, I don't usually watch shows where the majority of the characters are teenagers. Of course that's a personal preference so you are entitled to have whatever opinion you have. By the way aside from reasons I have given there, I don't consider any of the characters you just mentioned to be 'cool'. Rob was the only one I was holding out for, but I just kind of lost interest when he started gawking at the medicine noblewoman. He might redeem himself though. I should say that I do sympathise with Arya and I like her story more than most of the others, but I just don't like the forced aspects of her character. On May 30 2012 04:18 FREEloss_ca wrote:
But at the same time you have to understand his position. He was only 17 when he stabbed the Mad King; he was young and confused. He was most definitely torn, facing a horrible dilemma. After all, the man he was sworn to protect turned into a murderous maniac. The honourable thing to do would have been to have died defending the Mad King, or perhaps forsake his oath and flee King's Landing as soon as Aeries went Mad and joined the rebellion. Haha, personally I would have done what Jaime did! How is Rob or Jon or Theon or Sansa stupid? Rob united the North and has won every battle he's fought against the Lannisters. Where is the stupidity? Jon is a bastard and was pretty much forced to go to the Wall by Catelyn Stark. Since going there, he's proven himself to be one of the best fighters and Mormont singled him out as leadership potential. He couldn't bring himself to kill a wildling woman because he's never killed a woman before. So instead, he decided to take her prisoner while he went to meet back up with his ranger party. At worst, you could say he's too soft-hearted. But stupid? What part of that was stupid? The fact he got lost? Shit like that happens. People get lost IRL. And it's not always because they're dumb. Theon decided to side with his blood and took Winterfell in a brilliant raid that nobody saw coming. That is the epitome of a bad ass strategist. Just because his sister philosophically disagrees with him on how the Ironborn should wage their war doesn't make him dumb. Sansa was immature, but I don't think she's at all stupid. If she was stupid, she'd be making a fuss and saying she hates Joffrey and doing pretty much everything possible to get her head put on a chopping block. Instead, she's been very careful to conceal her feelings and play the perfect princess, while quietly learning the politics of everything and trying to find a way to survive. You've offered a lot of opinion with very little substance to back them up. What parts of Arya are forced? LF and Varys know too much?!
Robb is stupid, Jon is stupid, Theon is stupid, and Sansa is arguably stupid.
Jon is stupid the same way Ned Stark was. He puts his vows way above common sense at times and makes a big deal about following them to a T while others clearly skirt around the vow.
Robb lost his entire Kingdom and had his home burnt to the ground. He sent a Greyjoy, sworn enemies, to the Greyjoys to ask them for help? Thanks for handing over Winterfell. He may have never lost a battle but he has already lost basically his entire Kingdom.
Theon is stupid... the show clearly spells this out for you and shows how immature and unsure of himself he is. Winterfell was a great success, but it was one they couldn't possibly hold. Greyjoy power rests on the sea.
Sansa is smart but not smart. She is so keen on being a queen that she doesn't realize what is going on. BUT, she is smart enough to know when to play the part that is expected of her to not make things worse. You could say Sansa was dumb but wisened up.
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On May 30 2012 05:13 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 05:11 FREEloss_ca wrote:
Another gem no one has mentioned:
Random Knight: "But my lord, hundreds will die!"
Stannis: "Thousands..." Best line in the entire season. Perfect Stannis delivery imo.
Stannis is awesome, I loved the story of Storms End. ".....then the cats, never liked cats so fine. I do like dogs, good animals, loyal but we ate them." He is a boss!
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On May 30 2012 06:17 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 05:10 StorkHwaiting wrote:On May 30 2012 04:33 sc4k wrote:On May 30 2012 04:04 StorkHwaiting wrote:On May 30 2012 03:42 sc4k wrote:On May 30 2012 02:46 CursedRich wrote:On May 30 2012 02:25 Bleak wrote:Finally we were able to watch a good episode this season. + Show Spoiler +I didn't get why they didn't have more wildfire barrels. That warehouse the old alchemist showed Tyrion was full of that shit. That small boat wouldn't hold enough of it to completely deplete the reserves. I expected them to hurl the barrels with catapults toward the fleet and soldiers, but was disappointed to see that didn't happen. If it wasn't for Tyrion and Tywin, the rest of the episodes so far would have been unwatchable for me. I hope this episode means things will pick up the pace now and we'll watch quality episodes. In that case i don't think that GOT is for you I have to echo CursedRich. Tyrion and Tywin are the only characters I actually sympathise with and really enjoy watching. Some of the storylines not involving them are class, but the characters themselves do not appeal to me. They are either a) too stupid, b) too deviant, or c) not believable. Honourable mention should I guess go to Bronn and the hound but they wouldn't be able to make the show 'good' in the absence of Tyrion or Tywin. If either of them dies then there better be a new character coming to take the reigns. Because I seriously can't stand half of the characters there. I enjoy the things that happen to them but can't stand them. Dany is the worst, only reason I don't fast forward through her is the dragons and the cool scenery/ change of pace in that area. What?? How are Arya, Sansa, Rob, and Jon not believable? Or Theon? Or Littlefinger or Varys? There are plenty of cool characters in this show. Various aspects of Arya's character scream 'artificial', she feels like the most 'forced' character, although having said that Danarys is definitely giving her a run for her money in that department. Littlefinger and Varys are unbelievable because they know too much information, and Martin gives an unrealistic and exaggerated amount of credit to the powers of spy networks to collect information. I don't consider any of the other characters mentioned not believable but they fall into my other aspects. Stupid = Rob, Jon, Theon, Sansa. I should say that I don't really mean stupid as in half-wit, I just mean that they make irritatingly un-thought-out decisions. I know they are supposed to be young, but I don't want to watch young people make stupid choices on shows, it's just not the sort of thing I watch TV for. I dislike young people mostly, I don't usually watch shows where the majority of the characters are teenagers. Of course that's a personal preference so you are entitled to have whatever opinion you have. By the way aside from reasons I have given there, I don't consider any of the characters you just mentioned to be 'cool'. Rob was the only one I was holding out for, but I just kind of lost interest when he started gawking at the medicine noblewoman. He might redeem himself though. I should say that I do sympathise with Arya and I like her story more than most of the others, but I just don't like the forced aspects of her character. On May 30 2012 04:18 FREEloss_ca wrote:
But at the same time you have to understand his position. He was only 17 when he stabbed the Mad King; he was young and confused. He was most definitely torn, facing a horrible dilemma. After all, the man he was sworn to protect turned into a murderous maniac. The honourable thing to do would have been to have died defending the Mad King, or perhaps forsake his oath and flee King's Landing as soon as Aeries went Mad and joined the rebellion. Haha, personally I would have done what Jaime did! How is Rob or Jon or Theon or Sansa stupid? Rob united the North and has won every battle he's fought against the Lannisters. Where is the stupidity? Jon is a bastard and was pretty much forced to go to the Wall by Catelyn Stark. Since going there, he's proven himself to be one of the best fighters and Mormont singled him out as leadership potential. He couldn't bring himself to kill a wildling woman because he's never killed a woman before. So instead, he decided to take her prisoner while he went to meet back up with his ranger party. At worst, you could say he's too soft-hearted. But stupid? What part of that was stupid? The fact he got lost? Shit like that happens. People get lost IRL. And it's not always because they're dumb. Theon decided to side with his blood and took Winterfell in a brilliant raid that nobody saw coming. That is the epitome of a bad ass strategist. Just because his sister philosophically disagrees with him on how the Ironborn should wage their war doesn't make him dumb. Sansa was immature, but I don't think she's at all stupid. If she was stupid, she'd be making a fuss and saying she hates Joffrey and doing pretty much everything possible to get her head put on a chopping block. Instead, she's been very careful to conceal her feelings and play the perfect princess, while quietly learning the politics of everything and trying to find a way to survive. You've offered a lot of opinion with very little substance to back them up. What parts of Arya are forced? LF and Varys know too much?! Robb is stupid, Jon is stupid, Theon is stupid, and Sansa is arguably stupid. Jon is stupid the same way Ned Stark was. He puts his vows way above common sense at times and makes a big deal about following them to a T while others clearly skirt around the vow. Robb lost his entire Kingdom and had his home burnt to the ground. He sent a Greyjoy, sworn enemies, to the Greyjoys to ask them for help? Thanks for handing over Winterfell. He may have never lost a battle but he has already lost basically his entire Kingdom. Theon is stupid... the show clearly spells this out for you and shows how immature and unsure of himself he is. Winterfell was a great success, but it was one they couldn't possibly hold. Greyjoy power rests on the sea. Sansa is smart but not smart. She is so keen on being a queen that she doesn't realize what is going on. BUT, she is smart enough to know when to play the part that is expected of her to not make things worse. You could say Sansa was dumb but wisened up.
How is Sansa so keen on being a queen? She is a prisoner. The only reason she is even alive is because Robb has Jaimie. Cercei has no need for her as queen and there are plenty of better candidates for Joffrey. She has to play along and be the good little girl because if she doesnt her head ends up above the city gates.
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