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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2017 15:08 GMT
#33001
On August 08 2017 23:56 KwarK wrote:
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On August 08 2017 22:39 Plansix wrote:
Someone pointed out that it is totally weird that a part of the south we have never seen looks just like Utah. I’m willing to forgive the magical pool of secret deep water since they were likely limited on exactly how they could shoot that scene. The entire battle was so impressive for being on a TV show. It would have been so easy to do all that fire with CGI, but they didn’t and the show was so much better for it.

The featurette says it was Spain.

Why does Spain look like Utah? That is weird. Spain should look like Spain.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43971 Posts
August 08 2017 15:11 GMT
#33002
Featurette is a good watch btw. The dragon was added later but basically everything else was real. They built a mechanical moving dragon for Dany to fly in front of a green screen, all the crazy horse shit was real, the wagon train was really set on fire like that, and all those guys on fire, actual guys who they set on fire.
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Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
August 08 2017 15:17 GMT
#33003
10:12 they indeed confirmed about Mad Max idea
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28794 Posts
August 08 2017 15:18 GMT
#33004
Yeah i normally dont really care for making of movies movies, but this one was great. 20 guys are lit on fire, they count to 12 and 20 guys come running with fire extinguishers etc. Lotta fun. Also plansix, its a big world. Few landscapes are truly unique to one region. 😉
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2017 15:28 GMT
#33005
On August 09 2017 00:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Yeah i normally dont really care for making of movies movies, but this one was great. 20 guys are lit on fire, they count to 12 and 20 guys come running with fire extinguishers etc. Lotta fun. Also plansix, its a big world. Few landscapes are truly unique to one region. 😉

Lies. My America education said that my nation is a special snowflake and all things about it are unique.

The feature was pretty great. I love production, especially when it gets as crazy as that episode.
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Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
August 08 2017 16:20 GMT
#33006
On August 08 2017 12:10 MassHysteria wrote:
The episode last night made me want to rewatch that scene where Littlefinger and Arya last saw each other and gods do I miss Tywin Lannister.

He has the best response to LF's "chaos is a ladder" pitch in this scene btw. "You say that as if you were the first man to ever think it."



Thanks for posting that, I had forgotten what an amazing actor Charles Dance is, and I really do hope they do make a spin off based on Tywin Lannister's backstory.
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FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
August 08 2017 16:33 GMT
#33007
On August 08 2017 20:49 Emnjay808 wrote:
Its definitely Bronn. They show him looking at a white horse right after he dismounted from the scorpion. Also Bronn is known to use leather so he wont sink like how Jaime would in the water. Gotta question some logistics to why Bronn would seek out the Dragon while Danny dismounted or rather he simply saw Jaime at the right time and place. All reasons for his sudden appearance aside, I still question if anyone can humanly pull out a man in full armor from deep water.


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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-08 16:41:35
August 08 2017 16:38 GMT
#33008
On August 08 2017 20:00 FreakyDroid wrote:
There's a featurette for the battle in ep4


What the? That's mindblowing. They actually blew up a caravan of real size carts and set all those people on fire. Big respect for the stuntmen.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2017 16:43 GMT
#33009
Apparently they set a record for lighting the most people on fire at once for a film.
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waffelz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Germany711 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-08 17:24:47
August 08 2017 17:20 GMT
#33010
On August 09 2017 01:20 Piledriver wrote:
Thanks for posting that, I had forgotten what an amazing actor Charles Dance is, and I really do hope they do make a spin off based on Tywin Lannister's backstory.


I am not keen on capital punishment, but this might be a case where I would be ok with it ;-)

I was about to agree on having a spin off based on Tywin Lannister (as long as Charles Dance plays him), though I am not sure if it would work. The "problem" here is just that Charles Dance is probably one of the best actors amongst the entire cast and whenever he plays a role only slightly related to some intimidating aristocrat he just nails it. He can play others roles as well of course, but with this I know for sure he will make you believe he is actually the portrayed character all the time.

The point I am getting at, I am not sure if it would be enough. Charles Dance is a great actor, Tywin Lannister an interesting character but this idea reminds me of Jack Sparrow: Initially planned as a side character, played by an actor that’s just too good at his role to be a side character but when you try to make a story of just himself it all falls flat.

While you can argue about the parallels to Jack Sparrow, my main problem would be that Tywin on its own isn’t truly badass. He becomes badass by outwitting opponents that aren’t portrayed as the obvious bad guys, and therefore not obviously mend to lose. To me a story about Tywin Lannister couldn’t be focused on him, it would have to focus on the whole world around him because out perception of him relies on him. Which means you have to portray his opponents in a similar if not even in more detail than himself. Basically: You would need GoT, only you focus on end of Roberts Rebellion and the times after that until his turd-hunting accident. You don’t focus on him sole, but on his main antagonist as well and you end up with a great show that technically isn’t about Tywin though. It would be about Westeros, only that we get more of Tywins wins/defeats. Otherwise I am sure it would just deteriorate into your run of the mill show with a hero that just does awesome things so his fans are happy, though if they were honest they don't care so much about what he does, they just want to see their idolized Character be awesome. Which is another hard sale because Tywin is not awesome in that sense. You can respect him, be impressed by him, but if you idolize him you don’t pay much attention to him, except the moments where you agree with him (which nearly fits everyone in the GoT world. It is not a place of heroes or idols, there are good bits in nearly everyone, but in large it is a cruel world where the "good" are just less bad/evil).

I don’t really trust anyone to come up with a series that captures Tywins character in adequate form, doesn’t underplay the horrible things he has done, presents his opponents in a proper fashion and avoids being the circle jerk almost every series with a single main protagonist seems to become given enough episodes.

EDIT: Tywin needing proper opponents and characters to interact is vital in a similar fashion how it is for Tyrion. Just remember how awesome his scenes where before he crossed the narrow sea and afterwards. In Westeros he had proper characters to interact with, most notably his interactions with Tywin. And then he went to Daernys and now his scenes are for the most part mediocre compared to earlier (not his acting of course).
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-08 17:29:31
August 08 2017 17:23 GMT
#33011
Jamie kinda felt like Fingolfin in Dagor Bragollach, just looking around watching the destruction caused by the fire. Very well made battle scenes.

Altho I found it pretty fucking stupid to play out your hand with ballistas so early on, that should've been a surprise move at last defence of King's Landing.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
August 08 2017 18:00 GMT
#33012
On August 09 2017 02:23 Skynx wrote:
Jamie kinda felt like Fingolfin in Dagor Bragollach, just looking around watching the destruction caused by the fire. Very well made battle scenes.

Altho I found it pretty fucking stupid to play out your hand with ballistas so early on, that should've been a surprise move at last defence of King's Landing.


I think having the ballistae around makes a lot of sense for troop morale if nothing else. Otherwise you're basically saying to your army, "Oh if a dragon shows up you're all going to die horribly with no chance at all of repelling the attack".
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2017 18:03 GMT
#33013
On August 09 2017 03:00 Logo wrote:
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On August 09 2017 02:23 Skynx wrote:
Jamie kinda felt like Fingolfin in Dagor Bragollach, just looking around watching the destruction caused by the fire. Very well made battle scenes.

Altho I found it pretty fucking stupid to play out your hand with ballistas so early on, that should've been a surprise move at last defence of King's Landing.


I think having the ballistae around makes a lot of sense for troop morale if nothing else. Otherwise you're basically saying to your army, "Oh if a dragon shows up you're all going to die horribly with no chance at all of repelling the attack".

Yeah, after the first battle with the dragon where everyone burns to death without recourse, you can’t really expect people to remain in the army.
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bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
August 08 2017 18:04 GMT
#33014
You're hardly going to sacrifice Jaime, all your gold and a significant portion of your army on the off chance that you'll have a better chance of surprising them when they attack your newly impoverished and undefended city.
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
August 08 2017 18:09 GMT
#33015
Plansix did you know a lot of western movies were shot in Spain? I guess the similarities in landscape has been common knowledge for movie and tv people for a while now.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2017 18:14 GMT
#33016
On August 09 2017 03:09 B.I.G. wrote:
Plansix did you know a lot of western movies were shot in Spain? I guess the similarities in landscape has been common knowledge for movie and tv people for a while now.

That joke as from the Nerdette podcast who noted that the landscape suddenly changed because large number of horses needed to be shot. I know that a lot of location shooting happens outside of the US, for obvious reasons(we don’t have cool castles or landmarks) I didn’t know Spain was the new hub however. Everyone was addicted to New Zealand for a like a decade.
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B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
August 08 2017 18:18 GMT
#33017
Especially for GoT being essentially a medieval europe similator it makes sense but even scenes supposed to portray american landscapes are often shot abroad apparently. Probably cheaper if you have a big production.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
August 08 2017 18:31 GMT
#33018
On August 08 2017 11:43 B.I.G. wrote:
I love that we have people here that can use their vast experience fighting Ghengis Khan's Golden Horde and tell us that armored pike lines would totally have won that fight.
Mongols used armour...they also primarily fought as horse archers or attacked weakened/running infantry lines, they did not charge spearmen. Charging spearmen was not a thing at any point in warfare, not even cataphracts did that shit.
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VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
August 08 2017 18:42 GMT
#33019
On August 09 2017 03:31 Dazed. wrote:
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On August 08 2017 11:43 B.I.G. wrote:
I love that we have people here that can use their vast experience fighting Ghengis Khan's Golden Horde and tell us that armored pike lines would totally have won that fight.
Mongols used armour...they also primarily fought as horse archers or attacked weakened/running infantry lines, they did not charge spearmen. Charging spearmen was not a thing at any point in warfare, not even cataphracts did that shit.



I *might* be wrong (not a super expert in history and war tacticts from the past) but I seem to remember that also flying fire-breathing dragons wer ealso not a thing at any point in warfare..

Again - maybe I'm just not recalling
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-08 18:47:43
August 08 2017 18:43 GMT
#33020
On August 09 2017 03:42 VHbb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2017 03:31 Dazed. wrote:
On August 08 2017 11:43 B.I.G. wrote:
I love that we have people here that can use their vast experience fighting Ghengis Khan's Golden Horde and tell us that armored pike lines would totally have won that fight.
Mongols used armour...they also primarily fought as horse archers or attacked weakened/running infantry lines, they did not charge spearmen. Charging spearmen was not a thing at any point in warfare, not even cataphracts did that shit.



I *might* be wrong (not a super expert in history and war tacticts from the past) but I seem to remember that also flying fire-breathing dragons wer ealso not a thing at any point in warfare..

Again - maybe I'm just not recalling


Yeah what's history say about a spear line facing off against something like 1:10 odds with a fire breathing dragon overhead.

It's a bit silly, to charge like that, but the Dothraki do have a lot at their side (mounted archers too) and an established disregard for their own safety.
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