On May 20 2015 03:33 Gorsameth wrote: Ross Bolton explained it the previous (I think) episode. With Tywin dead he has lost his Lannister backed power. The north kinda hates him for betraying the Starks so without their backing his position is precarious. Add in Stannis to the north of him requiring him to get an army together as big as he can. Binding Sansa to his line is probably a bit to get some of the other northerners to aid him against Stannis. I doubt he considered Cersei would be willing to go to war over Sansa.
Unlikely. While it may get some of the larger houses to be a bit more accepting of their legitimacy, the average person would still see them as usurpers.
After all, the North remembers.
Remembers what? Remembers loyalty to the Starks? The Stark dynasty has been wiped out except for Sansa. There is no going back and the way forwards is through Sansa.
They remember the Starks are the true rulers of the north. Did you forget the cleaning lady that kept saying Sansa had allies and that the north remembers?
She can still rule the north alone if the Boltons are kicked out, so there's no reason for everyone to accept them for real.
You expect the North to kick out Sansa's family so she can rule alone?
... What?
No one considers the Boltons to be her family, lol.
Ramsey is her husband and soon to be the father of her children. Roose and potato wife are Sansa's father and mother in law respectively. They're family now.
On May 20 2015 03:33 Gorsameth wrote: Ross Bolton explained it the previous (I think) episode. With Tywin dead he has lost his Lannister backed power. The north kinda hates him for betraying the Starks so without their backing his position is precarious. Add in Stannis to the north of him requiring him to get an army together as big as he can. Binding Sansa to his line is probably a bit to get some of the other northerners to aid him against Stannis. I doubt he considered Cersei would be willing to go to war over Sansa.
Unlikely. While it may get some of the larger houses to be a bit more accepting of their legitimacy, the average person would still see them as usurpers.
After all, the North remembers.
Remembers what? Remembers loyalty to the Starks? The Stark dynasty has been wiped out except for Sansa. There is no going back and the way forwards is through Sansa.
They remember the Starks are the true rulers of the north. Did you forget the cleaning lady that kept saying Sansa had allies and that the north remembers?
She can still rule the north alone if the Boltons are kicked out, so there's no reason for everyone to accept them for real.
You expect the North to kick out Sansa's family so she can rule alone?
... What?
No one considers the Boltons to be her family, lol.
Then who is? She's a woman in the GoT world. Her use is her name and her womb. Boltons bought those off of Littlefinger.
Gender roles aren't as straightforward as you make them out to be. House Lannister and Tyrell are de facto run by women, so was the Vale, and don't forget Daenerys. I don't see any reason why the North wouldn't rally behind Sansa if she somehow gets rid of the Boltons.
On May 20 2015 04:54 Frolossus wrote: i've always hated sansa the most of the cast. everyone wants to feel sorry for her but she's just been a whiny, spoiled kid since season 1 who magically escaped all trouble that met her until last episode.
Hope you dont mean the actress though since you refer to the cast. Sophie Turner is really good, especially considering it was her first role.
On May 20 2015 03:33 Gorsameth wrote: Ross Bolton explained it the previous (I think) episode. With Tywin dead he has lost his Lannister backed power. The north kinda hates him for betraying the Starks so without their backing his position is precarious. Add in Stannis to the north of him requiring him to get an army together as big as he can. Binding Sansa to his line is probably a bit to get some of the other northerners to aid him against Stannis. I doubt he considered Cersei would be willing to go to war over Sansa.
Unlikely. While it may get some of the larger houses to be a bit more accepting of their legitimacy, the average person would still see them as usurpers.
After all, the North remembers.
Remembers what? Remembers loyalty to the Starks? The Stark dynasty has been wiped out except for Sansa. There is no going back and the way forwards is through Sansa.
They remember the Starks are the true rulers of the north. Did you forget the cleaning lady that kept saying Sansa had allies and that the north remembers?
She can still rule the north alone if the Boltons are kicked out, so there's no reason for everyone to accept them for real.
You expect the North to kick out Sansa's family so she can rule alone?
... What?
No one considers the Boltons to be her family, lol.
Then who is? She's a woman in the GoT world. Her use is her name and her womb. Boltons bought those off of Littlefinger.
Gender roles aren't as straightforward as you make them out to be. House Lannister and Tyrell are de facto run by women, so was the Vale, and don't forget Daenerys. I don't see any reason why the North wouldn't rally behind Sansa if she somehow gets rid of the Boltons.
Who is the woman who runs house Lannister? It's currently run by Kevan who gave Cersei a big "fuck you" when he left.
The army that went south was not only made of Stark's men, it was also constituted by other lords or their sons/generals. That means Bolton has a good amount of enemies in the North, and with Tywin dead, he is trying to maintain that power by having a Stark at his side.
Ugh those religious crazies really turn me off. It made no sense to give them so much power (like wtf happened to the townguards in kingslanding? Driven away by a bunch of scrubs). Cersie doesn't even hold any sort of power over them and she just sets them loose... The whole trial thing makes no sense whatsoever. Ooh the squire knows he has a birthmark! Because you'd never see the lord you serve naked... because they always wear swimpants when bathing and stuff. Better lock up the queen, who has held supreme power to do whatever the fuck she wants in this series, until this episode -_-. Oh and the mighty house Tyrell surely doesn't have knights to chase off these cloaked dudes, no no. Lets agree to a trial. Such a crappy storyline.
Also the assassin girlies are really pathetic. They wanted to kill Myrcella but chose to go fight Bronn. Just stab her and run away, come on.
Tyrion and Stannis/John are the only good storylines left :x
On May 20 2015 07:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Ugh those religious crazies really turn me off. It made no sense to give them so much power (like wtf happened to the townguards in kingslanding? Driven away by a bunch of scrubs). Cersie doesn't even hold any sort of power over them and she just sets them loose... The whole trial thing makes no sense whatsoever. Ooh the squire knows he has a birthmark! Because you'd never see the lord you serve naked... because they always wear swimpants when bathing and stuff. Better lock up the queen, who has held supreme power to do whatever the fuck she wants in this series, until this episode -_-. Oh and the mighty house Tyrell surely doesn't have knights to chase off these cloaked dudes, no no. Lets agree to a trial. Such a crappy storyline.
Also the assassin girlies are really pathetic. They wanted to kill Myrcella but chose to go fight Bronn. Just stab her and run away, come on.
Tyrion and Stannis/John are the only good storylines left :x
Also no one wants internal war with Stannis on the doorstep, the Tyrells have to at least appear to respect the law, the trial was supposed to be for show as the general demeanor of the Tyrells indicated up until the trap snapped.
Anyone else notice how the leader didn't carve stupid shit into his head? Leads me to believe this all might just be a play. Cersie granted him power because he had her cousin lover thingy guy, and it helped her get what she wanted over the Tyrells.
On May 20 2015 07:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Ugh those religious crazies really turn me off. It made no sense to give them so much power (like wtf happened to the townguards in kingslanding? Driven away by a bunch of scrubs). Cersie doesn't even hold any sort of power over them and she just sets them loose... The whole trial thing makes no sense whatsoever. Ooh the squire knows he has a birthmark! Because you'd never see the lord you serve naked... because they always wear swimpants when bathing and stuff. Better lock up the queen, who has held supreme power to do whatever the fuck she wants in this series, until this episode -_-. Oh and the mighty house Tyrell surely doesn't have knights to chase off these cloaked dudes, no no. Lets agree to a trial. Such a crappy storyline.
The townguard has been chased off by scrubs before. Remember when they rioted against Joffrey? Ordering your guards to kill a bunch of people doesn't always work out well.
Also the assassin girlies are really pathetic. They wanted to kill Myrcella but chose to go fight Bronn. Just stab her and run away, come on.
Tyrion and Stannis/John are the only good storylines left :x
They aren't assassin grills, they're Oberyn's bastards. You're also assuming their intent was to kill, rather than capture. At one point one of the snakes grabbed Mycella and said 'you're cumming with me.' Not only was that pretty hot, it also suggests that their intent was to capture, rather than kill.
On May 20 2015 07:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Ugh those religious crazies really turn me off. It made no sense to give them so much power (like wtf happened to the townguards in kingslanding? Driven away by a bunch of scrubs). Cersie doesn't even hold any sort of power over them and she just sets them loose... The whole trial thing makes no sense whatsoever. Ooh the squire knows he has a birthmark! Because you'd never see the lord you serve naked... because they always wear swimpants when bathing and stuff. Better lock up the queen, who has held supreme power to do whatever the fuck she wants in this series, until this episode -_-. Oh and the mighty house Tyrell surely doesn't have knights to chase off these cloaked dudes, no no. Lets agree to a trial. Such a crappy storyline.
Also the assassin girlies are really pathetic. They wanted to kill Myrcella but chose to go fight Bronn. Just stab her and run away, come on.
Tyrion and Stannis/John are the only good storylines left :x
Also no one wants internal war with Stannis on the doorstep, the Tyrells have to at least appear to respect the law, the trial was supposed to be for show as the general demeanor of the Tyrells indicated up until the trap snapped.
It's a religious law. The royalty in kingslanding have used religion to their own benefit as they saw fit, not to serve or pay penance. It just doesn't feel right at all that all of a sudden the queen has to pay so much attention to it. She should have just summoned to release Loras or have their heads on a pike (or whatever tyrell equivalent to that). Everyone's fighting for the throne but the throne apparently isn't worth anything.
Also the assassin girlies are really pathetic. They wanted to kill Myrcella but chose to go fight Bronn. Just stab her and run away, come on.
Tyrion and Stannis/John are the only good storylines left :x
They aren't assassin grills, they're Oberyn's bastards. You're also assuming their intent was to kill, rather than capture. At one point one of the snakes grabbed Mycella and said 'you're cumming with me.' Not only was that pretty hot, it also suggests that their intent was to capture, rather than kill.
Well ok I guess I missed that. But there was so much foreshadowing of 'we must have revenge for oberyn' 'let's start a war' so I thought they'd want to kill her. Kidnapping doesn't seem very useful as she is already practically kidnapped to Dorne.
I really miss Oberyn and Tywin . We need more awesome characters
they don't mean to kill Mycella just like that ofc.. lol. They(girlies) of course wanted the Lannisters to know that Dorne as a whole got Mycella so a war would start. Because if they kill Mycella just like that without any witnesses, Dorne can just say that she was killed by an assasin or something. In that case Oberyn's waifus plan to make war wil just fail.
On May 20 2015 07:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Ugh those religious crazies really turn me off. It made no sense to give them so much power (like wtf happened to the townguards in kingslanding? Driven away by a bunch of scrubs). Cersie doesn't even hold any sort of power over them and she just sets them loose... The whole trial thing makes no sense whatsoever. Ooh the squire knows he has a birthmark! Because you'd never see the lord you serve naked... because they always wear swimpants when bathing and stuff. Better lock up the queen, who has held supreme power to do whatever the fuck she wants in this series, until this episode -_-. Oh and the mighty house Tyrell surely doesn't have knights to chase off these cloaked dudes, no no. Lets agree to a trial. Such a crappy storyline.
The townguard has been chased off by scrubs before. Remember when they rioted against Joffrey? Ordering your guards to kill a bunch of people doesn't always work out well.
Also the assassin girlies are really pathetic. They wanted to kill Myrcella but chose to go fight Bronn. Just stab her and run away, come on.
Tyrion and Stannis/John are the only good storylines left :x
They aren't assassin grills, they're Oberyn's bastards. You're also assuming their intent was to kill, rather than capture. At one point one of the snakes grabbed Mycella and said 'you're cumming with me.' Not only was that pretty hot, it also suggests that their intent was to capture, rather than kill.
Just thought I'd mention Myrcella's actress is 17. I think you were talking about the other actress, but thought I'd mention it.
On May 20 2015 07:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Ugh those religious crazies really turn me off. It made no sense to give them so much power (like wtf happened to the townguards in kingslanding? Driven away by a bunch of scrubs). Cersie doesn't even hold any sort of power over them and she just sets them loose... The whole trial thing makes no sense whatsoever. Ooh the squire knows he has a birthmark! Because you'd never see the lord you serve naked... because they always wear swimpants when bathing and stuff. Better lock up the queen, who has held supreme power to do whatever the fuck she wants in this series, until this episode -_-. Oh and the mighty house Tyrell surely doesn't have knights to chase off these cloaked dudes, no no. Lets agree to a trial. Such a crappy storyline.
The townguard has been chased off by scrubs before. Remember when they rioted against Joffrey? Ordering your guards to kill a bunch of people doesn't always work out well.
Also the assassin girlies are really pathetic. They wanted to kill Myrcella but chose to go fight Bronn. Just stab her and run away, come on.
Tyrion and Stannis/John are the only good storylines left :x
They aren't assassin grills, they're Oberyn's bastards. You're also assuming their intent was to kill, rather than capture. At one point one of the snakes grabbed Mycella and said 'you're cumming with me.' Not only was that pretty hot, it also suggests that their intent was to capture, rather than kill.
Just thought I'd mention Myrcella's actress is 17. I think you were talking about the other actress, but thought I'd mention it.
with all the talk of the trail, im now wondering why the guy who said loras was gay didnt get in trouble himself? Surely with this reglion it isnt a "if u just admitt it, it will be okay" why isnt he getting thrown into a dungeon or even beaten to death like we saw happen to the guys in the brothel. Unless he made a deal with cersi and the leader guy? but if the leader guy is so righteous about no gay sex why would he agree and just not kill both of them? That being said atm i feel like magergy and loras are gonna get out some how with lady onnea being the mastermind she is, probably like a huge conflict in kings landing? where the tyrell army just smashes through everything at this rate by the time danny comes to westros its gonna be easy winnings even with a dragon missing (assuming she gets the other two undercontrol) Lanister and tyrell would be left weak after their battle (or maybe the other tywin wont even come to help cersi), peter, boltens and stansis would clash and im not even sure which side peter is on (is he lying to cersi when he says he wants warden of the north through that method?) no ones going to be left to fight danny, like alot of people predicted too the dragons probably counter the whitewalkers GG danny lol
On May 20 2015 07:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Ugh those religious crazies really turn me off. It made no sense to give them so much power (like wtf happened to the townguards in kingslanding? Driven away by a bunch of scrubs). Cersie doesn't even hold any sort of power over them and she just sets them loose... The whole trial thing makes no sense whatsoever. Ooh the squire knows he has a birthmark! Because you'd never see the lord you serve naked... because they always wear swimpants when bathing and stuff. Better lock up the queen, who has held supreme power to do whatever the fuck she wants in this series, until this episode -_-. Oh and the mighty house Tyrell surely doesn't have knights to chase off these cloaked dudes, no no. Lets agree to a trial. Such a crappy storyline.
The townguard has been chased off by scrubs before. Remember when they rioted against Joffrey? Ordering your guards to kill a bunch of people doesn't always work out well.
Also the assassin girlies are really pathetic. They wanted to kill Myrcella but chose to go fight Bronn. Just stab her and run away, come on.
Tyrion and Stannis/John are the only good storylines left :x
They aren't assassin grills, they're Oberyn's bastards. You're also assuming their intent was to kill, rather than capture. At one point one of the snakes grabbed Mycella and said 'you're cumming with me.' Not only was that pretty hot, it also suggests that their intent was to capture, rather than kill.
Just thought I'd mention Myrcella's actress is 17. I think you were talking about the other actress, but thought I'd mention it.
Speaking of which, Sophie Turner is 19, and I'm pretty sure that's the silhouette of Sansa's bare tits in the trailer.
Reminds me of this Ramsay breaking the fourth wall:
On May 20 2015 07:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Ugh those religious crazies really turn me off. It made no sense to give them so much power (like wtf happened to the townguards in kingslanding? Driven away by a bunch of scrubs). Cersie doesn't even hold any sort of power over them and she just sets them loose... The whole trial thing makes no sense whatsoever. Ooh the squire knows he has a birthmark! Because you'd never see the lord you serve naked... because they always wear swimpants when bathing and stuff. Better lock up the queen, who has held supreme power to do whatever the fuck she wants in this series, until this episode -_-. Oh and the mighty house Tyrell surely doesn't have knights to chase off these cloaked dudes, no no. Lets agree to a trial. Such a crappy storyline.
The townguard has been chased off by scrubs before. Remember when they rioted against Joffrey? Ordering your guards to kill a bunch of people doesn't always work out well.
Also the assassin girlies are really pathetic. They wanted to kill Myrcella but chose to go fight Bronn. Just stab her and run away, come on.
Tyrion and Stannis/John are the only good storylines left :x
They aren't assassin grills, they're Oberyn's bastards. You're also assuming their intent was to kill, rather than capture. At one point one of the snakes grabbed Mycella and said 'you're cumming with me.' Not only was that pretty hot, it also suggests that their intent was to capture, rather than kill.
Just thought I'd mention Myrcella's actress is 17. I think you were talking about the other actress, but thought I'd mention it.
Speaking of which, Sophie Turner is 19, and I'm pretty sure that's the silhouette of Sansa's bare tits in the trailer.
Reminds me of this Ramsay breaking the fourth wall:
is it still considered breaking the 4th wall even though he was talking directly to theon?
On May 20 2015 07:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Ugh those religious crazies really turn me off. It made no sense to give them so much power (like wtf happened to the townguards in kingslanding? Driven away by a bunch of scrubs). Cersie doesn't even hold any sort of power over them and she just sets them loose... The whole trial thing makes no sense whatsoever. Ooh the squire knows he has a birthmark! Because you'd never see the lord you serve naked... because they always wear swimpants when bathing and stuff. Better lock up the queen, who has held supreme power to do whatever the fuck she wants in this series, until this episode -_-. Oh and the mighty house Tyrell surely doesn't have knights to chase off these cloaked dudes, no no. Lets agree to a trial. Such a crappy storyline.
The townguard has been chased off by scrubs before. Remember when they rioted against Joffrey? Ordering your guards to kill a bunch of people doesn't always work out well.
Also the assassin girlies are really pathetic. They wanted to kill Myrcella but chose to go fight Bronn. Just stab her and run away, come on.
Tyrion and Stannis/John are the only good storylines left :x
They aren't assassin grills, they're Oberyn's bastards. You're also assuming their intent was to kill, rather than capture. At one point one of the snakes grabbed Mycella and said 'you're cumming with me.' Not only was that pretty hot, it also suggests that their intent was to capture, rather than kill.
Just thought I'd mention Myrcella's actress is 17. I think you were talking about the other actress, but thought I'd mention it.
Speaking of which, Sophie Turner is 19, and I'm pretty sure that's the silhouette of Sansa's bare tits in the trailer.
Reminds me of this Ramsay breaking the fourth wall:
is it still considered breaking the 4th wall even though he was talking directly to theon?
I think Theon's close enough to the camera where you could argue they were going for a lean on the 4th wall
Honestly I don't really get why a lot of people seem to be outraged by that rape scene... Sure it's tough, but GoT has plenty of those moments where you really have to choke and that's probably because it's closer to reality in that department than people like it to be.
On May 20 2015 11:44 Creager wrote: Honestly I don't really get why a lot of people seem to be outraged by that rape scene... Sure it's tough, but GoT has plenty of those moments where you really have to choke and that's probably because it's closer to reality in that department than people like it to be.
Me either tbh. It's like, have people been watching this show?
Knowing that Ramsay is a total asshole and Sansa was of course expected to consummate the marriage (the whole point...) is it any surprise that Ramsay isn't gentle nor that he cares for Sansa's consent? Ramsay himself says it best...
Considering the whole thing was off-camera I'd say this isn't even the worst thing involving Ramsay. The whole transformation of Theon into Reek was way worse.
On May 20 2015 11:44 Creager wrote: Honestly I don't really get why a lot of people seem to be outraged by that rape scene... Sure it's tough, but GoT has plenty of those moments where you really have to choke and that's probably because it's closer to reality in that department than people like it to be.
Me either tbh. It's like, have people been watching this show?
Knowing that Ramsay is a total asshole and Sansa was of course expected to consummate the marriage (the whole point...) is it any surprise that Ramsay isn't gentle nor that he cares for Sansa's consent? Ramsay himself says it best...
Considering the whole thing was off-camera I'd say this isn't even the worst thing involving Ramsay. The whole transformation of Theon into Reek was way worse.
Haha, yeah, but I guess since Theon betrayed Winterfell audiences haven't been in sympathy with him which deems his "surgerey" less cruel than an off-scene rape of Sansa.
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