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sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 14:45:28
June 07 2014 14:44 GMT
#24681
On June 07 2014 23:36 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2014 22:52 PrinceXizor wrote:
On June 07 2014 22:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:


Indeed, the ruler can't be good if he kills his own younger brother to claim the iron throne. Tywin fits perfectly, but all those crimes he made before...I can't symphatize him aswell.

not to mention he brought the country so far into debt knowing he didn't and wouldn't have the funds to pay it back. thats not exactly good leadership.


Technically it was Littlefinger under Robert who brought the country into debt, which Tywin was okay with when a lot of the money was lent by him. But the mines have now emptied (unexpectedly, I assume) so he's SoL.

Is the thing about Littlefinger being named Lord Paramount of the Riverlands true? I could swear it was the creepy Twins guy who was in charge now (from the conversation between him and Bolton.)

It is, Baelish was promised the Riverlands long before the war ended. Walder Frey got Riverrun, the old Tully seat, but not all their lands.

But the riverlands are in turmoil, and being lord paramount in name only means nothing if you cant convince the lesser noble houses and bannermen to support you.
you no take candle
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
June 07 2014 14:51 GMT
#24682
so with his marriage to lysa arryn, he's acting lord of the vale and the riverland ?
I like starcraft
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
June 07 2014 15:02 GMT
#24683
On June 07 2014 23:51 oGoZenob wrote:
so with his marriage to lysa arryn, he's acting lord of the vale and the riverland ?


No.
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
June 07 2014 15:08 GMT
#24684
On June 07 2014 23:51 oGoZenob wrote:
so with his marriage to lysa arryn, he's acting lord of the vale and the riverland ?


De facto of the Vale, but not acting in any capacity. He might be the official regent, if he was smart enough to get Lysa to put anything in writing before he killed her.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 07 2014 15:14 GMT
#24685
On June 07 2014 21:27 Acertos wrote:
Dany is a completely dumb spoiled brat with retarded views on what's good or bad so she would never be able to conquer Westeros totally and even less rule it.
Stannis would be the best ruler by far. The first thing he would do is clean the court and behead alot of corrupted people, something the others (except for dany) would never do. The others would have problems of legitimacy so it won't be possible for them to unite Westeros. Stannis holds his promises and he would repay Bravoos, The only problem I see with him is his successor, he doesn't have one and probably won't have one so in the long run the situation could get worse if he becomes king.


Are we forgetting that Stannis has this mental red woman at his side? No matter how good of a person/ruler he is or could be, she will always be there to fuck shit up with her insane religion and burning people which would create huge instability.
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
June 07 2014 15:25 GMT
#24686
On June 08 2014 00:08 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2014 23:51 oGoZenob wrote:
so with his marriage to lysa arryn, he's acting lord of the vale and the riverland ?


De facto of the Vale, but not acting in any capacity. He might be the official regent, if he was smart enough to get Lysa to put anything in writing before he killed her.

But he was given regency of the riverland with harrenahll, and now, with robin arryn being to young to mak his own decision, he has authority over both region ? Or am I missing something ?
I like starcraft
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 15:33:00
June 07 2014 15:29 GMT
#24687
On June 08 2014 00:25 oGoZenob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 00:08 Yoav wrote:
On June 07 2014 23:51 oGoZenob wrote:
so with his marriage to lysa arryn, he's acting lord of the vale and the riverland ?


De facto of the Vale, but not acting in any capacity. He might be the official regent, if he was smart enough to get Lysa to put anything in writing before he killed her.

But he was given regency of the riverland with harrenahll, and now, with robin arryn being to young to mak his own decision, he has authority over both region ? Or am I missing something ?

Regency in name means nothing if the bannermen/houses arent loyal to you (see what happened to the starks and tullys) i doubt Baelish, who has no men yet, has any practical influence in the Riverlands. A title alone doesnt get you far if you cant inspire men to die for you.
you no take candle
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
June 07 2014 15:44 GMT
#24688


Fatality...
I like words.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 07 2014 15:52 GMT
#24689
On June 07 2014 23:36 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2014 22:52 PrinceXizor wrote:
On June 07 2014 22:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:


Indeed, the ruler can't be good if he kills his own younger brother to claim the iron throne. Tywin fits perfectly, but all those crimes he made before...I can't symphatize him aswell.

not to mention he brought the country so far into debt knowing he didn't and wouldn't have the funds to pay it back. thats not exactly good leadership.


Technically it was Littlefinger under Robert who brought the country into debt, which Tywin was okay with when a lot of the money was lent by him. But the mines have now emptied (unexpectedly, I assume) so he's SoL.

Is the thing about Littlefinger being named Lord Paramount of the Riverlands true? I could swear it was the creepy Twins guy who was in charge now (from the conversation between him and Bolton.)

Tywin told cersei a few episodes that the mines dried up more than a few years ago. that tywin has been borrowing the whole time from the iron bank. Tywin loaned money he borrowed to robert to fund the rebellion and the kingdom presumably in order to put the debt on the crown instead of the lannister's so he can get the other houses to pay his own debt.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 16:07:38
June 07 2014 16:05 GMT
#24690
On June 08 2014 00:52 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2014 23:36 Yoav wrote:
On June 07 2014 22:52 PrinceXizor wrote:
On June 07 2014 22:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:


Indeed, the ruler can't be good if he kills his own younger brother to claim the iron throne. Tywin fits perfectly, but all those crimes he made before...I can't symphatize him aswell.

not to mention he brought the country so far into debt knowing he didn't and wouldn't have the funds to pay it back. thats not exactly good leadership.


Technically it was Littlefinger under Robert who brought the country into debt, which Tywin was okay with when a lot of the money was lent by him. But the mines have now emptied (unexpectedly, I assume) so he's SoL.

Is the thing about Littlefinger being named Lord Paramount of the Riverlands true? I could swear it was the creepy Twins guy who was in charge now (from the conversation between him and Bolton.)

Tywin told cersei a few episodes that the mines dried up more than a few years ago. that tywin has been borrowing the whole time from the iron bank. Tywin loaned money he borrowed to robert to fund the rebellion and the kingdom presumably in order to put the debt on the crown instead of the lannister's so he can get the other houses to pay his own debt.

The rebellion happened 17-18 years ago, and Tywin didnt fund Roberts rebellion. He was neutral during the war...
you no take candle
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 16:34:30
June 07 2014 16:33 GMT
#24691
On June 08 2014 01:05 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 00:52 PrinceXizor wrote:
On June 07 2014 23:36 Yoav wrote:
On June 07 2014 22:52 PrinceXizor wrote:
On June 07 2014 22:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:


Indeed, the ruler can't be good if he kills his own younger brother to claim the iron throne. Tywin fits perfectly, but all those crimes he made before...I can't symphatize him aswell.

not to mention he brought the country so far into debt knowing he didn't and wouldn't have the funds to pay it back. thats not exactly good leadership.


Technically it was Littlefinger under Robert who brought the country into debt, which Tywin was okay with when a lot of the money was lent by him. But the mines have now emptied (unexpectedly, I assume) so he's SoL.

Is the thing about Littlefinger being named Lord Paramount of the Riverlands true? I could swear it was the creepy Twins guy who was in charge now (from the conversation between him and Bolton.)

Tywin told cersei a few episodes that the mines dried up more than a few years ago. that tywin has been borrowing the whole time from the iron bank. Tywin loaned money he borrowed to robert to fund the rebellion and the kingdom presumably in order to put the debt on the crown instead of the lannister's so he can get the other houses to pay his own debt.

The rebellion happened 17-18 years ago, and Tywin didnt fund Roberts rebellion. He was neutral during the war...

In the scene between tywin and cersei, tywin says that robert had him funding him and that wars swallowed gold like a pit. the only war we know of with robert is the rebellion right? the implication is the lannisters funded robert while remaining neutral publicly.and in exchange robert married a lannister.

and then there are the season 1 references robert makes to cersei going something like: "i needed your fathers gold"
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
June 07 2014 16:50 GMT
#24692
Tywin could have easily been referring to the current war, and Robert was supposed to marry Ned's sister Lyanna. She died after the sack of King's Landing, so Tywin's support didn't start before that. I'm pretty sure Robert needed gold to reimburse his war debts and rebuild the country, which is why he then married Cersei.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 07 2014 17:15 GMT
#24693
The war in question was the rebellion of Balon Greyjoy.
Remember that Theon Greyjoy was given to Ned Stark? That happened after Robert was already king.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
June 08 2014 02:05 GMT
#24694
With those old people who were talking to sansa at littlefingers interview, who are they exact i got that they were relatives to lysa but like are like lords of different bits of the vale?
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43278 Posts
June 08 2014 02:12 GMT
#24695
On June 08 2014 11:05 Shock710 wrote:
With those old people who were talking to sansa at littlefingers interview, who are they exact i got that they were relatives to lysa but like are like lords of different bits of the vale?

It's a feudal system, you have a bunch of lords answering to one top lord. Back when the 7 kingdoms were 7 kingdoms there would have been king's of the Vale and lords beneath them. After it was unified you instead get 7 top lords and a bunch of lesser ones.
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Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
June 08 2014 03:18 GMT
#24696
They're the Vale's stockholders.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
June 08 2014 04:18 GMT
#24697
On June 07 2014 00:30 freelander wrote:

I literally LOLD
Fuck this is why I love the internet
MIRACLE IS YOUR TI7 CHAMP
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
June 08 2014 06:16 GMT
#24698
i was just rewatching some of jorahs scenes, and there was one where he was talking to one of the dothraki boys about the curved blade vs the boardsword, what happened to this guy? wasnt he pretty loyal to danny and drogo and like friends with jorah where is he now, did he go with the other dothraki went they left danny? Also we havnt seen dothraki in ages surely when dannys marching around with her army some of the dothraki are gonna try and raid them at night?
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
June 08 2014 06:18 GMT
#24699
I'm pretty sure he died in one of the episodes.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
June 08 2014 06:19 GMT
#24700
On June 08 2014 15:18 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I'm pretty sure he died in one of the episodes.


I think he was one of the guys who rode out into the desert to find the nearest city where they would live. Came back dead on his horse I believe.
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