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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
On June 04 2014 08:38 shin_toss wrote: found this . "This might help for those are still recovering from last episode" .....is it too late to cast Pedro Pascal for Episode VII? | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On June 04 2014 08:38 shin_toss wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwPvGezWrVY found this . "This might help for those are still recovering from last episode" Cool video. Is it me or did they repeat the footage of Oberyn grinning at the crowd 3 times in a 30 second video? Nah, my mistake, it was only 2 times. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On June 04 2014 08:36 cosine wrote: Does anyone know the faux-medieval legality of Roose legitimizing Ramsay? Can you do that? If so, why didn't Ned legitimize Jon? Did it come up at all in season one? Doing so would mean Jon would have inheritance rights over any younger true-born children, something Catelyn wouldn't have allowed. They didn't say if Roose did this with his own power, or got the paperwork signed by the king, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was also required. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24419 Posts
On June 04 2014 10:48 karazax wrote: Doing so would mean Jon would have inheritance rights over any younger true-born children, something Catelyn wouldn't have allowed. They didn't say if Roose did this with his own power, or got the paperwork signed by the king, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was also required. Yeah pretty sure a king would have to at least give the nod to something like that. Still a good chance when it comes to bequeathing time, someone else mysteriously comes up with a claim also. However, pretty sure by then Ramsey will have built quite the reputation. Only someone seeking some sort of revenge would likely challenge him as he is clearly not the type of person you want to get captured by. | ||
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Axxis
United States133 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On June 04 2014 08:36 cosine wrote: Does anyone know the faux-medieval legality of Roose legitimizing Ramsay? Can you do that? If so, why didn't Ned legitimize Jon? Did it come up at all in season one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror It is unclear if William would have been supplanted in the ducal succession if Robert had had a legitimate son. Earlier dukes had been illegitimate, and William's association with his father on ducal charters appears to indicate that William was considered Robert's most likely heir I don't know how formal the "legitimization" process was for bastards, but this bastard inherited a bunch of land, then went on to conquer England. From the wiki article, I gather it's mostly a matter of leadership and support. Enough people vouched for William that he was able to claim Normandy after his father, despite trouble being made over his legitimacy. Like Ramsey, the lack of a "legitimate" claim kind of makes him the default inheritor. Ramsey "Bolton" might have a piece of paper, but the fact that he is a bastard could be a problem if people want to question his authority. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
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My reaction to Oberyn's demise: On June 04 2014 05:39 Snotling wrote: Huge dude without a shield? Just let any half skilled archer do the job and be don with it^^ What other people said, but also, no shield? Just fucking stick him and be done with it. The advantage of spears and halberds is their reach. Gregor is a poor swordsman regardless. He swings through with every single attack, a great way to leave yourself open. Also, what the Mountain has in the strength of his strikes, he lacks in their speed. An armored fighter with a shield could parry his blows (he telegraphs them so much), and then thrust at him. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On June 04 2014 09:56 GwSC wrote: .....is it too late to cast Pedro Pascal for Episode VII? Oberyn would never make it as a Jedi, the emperor would sense an UNUSUAL amount of hate and anger in him. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On June 04 2014 13:41 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Oberyn is quite literally the classic movie villain. Talk your ass off until the other guy has a chance to escape or strike back. He should have killed Gregor right then and there. My reaction to Oberyn's demise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CS7j5I6aOc&feature=kp What other people said, but also, no shield? Just fucking stick him and be done with it. The advantage of spears and halberds is their reach. Gregor is a poor swordsman regardless. He swings through with every single attack, a great way to leave yourself open. Also, what the Mountain has in the strength of his strikes, he lacks in their speed. An armored fighter with a shield could parry his blows (he telegraphs them so much), and then thrust at him. An average sized person would probably have his arm broken from the impact of the Mountain's massive sword hitting his shield. The dude is 420 pounds of muscle, he's basically a half-ogre. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Deleted User 183001
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On June 04 2014 14:47 MattBarry wrote: An average sized person would probably have his arm broken from the impact of the Mountain's massive sword hitting his shield. The dude is 420 pounds of muscle, he's basically a half-ogre. Yeah, the Mountain is a rare super heavyweight. I imagine the Mountain is supposed to be a skilled fighter for something other than his size (we haven't seen that in the show, so idk). But regardless, here's a few things to consider. The dampening of kinetic energy that armor and shields have is significant. Given the slow speed of his blows though (this is important to take into account), I doubt it would crush someone shielded and armored arm, especially if they block properly, it would stagger them though. Also, it's hard to tell because the camera jumps around a lot but the Mountain looks like he swings his sword a lot more sluggishly and "club-like" than any other characters. More importantly, the point of parrying is not to take a blow, but to actively deflect it, a classic medieval tactic of opening a clean window to strike your opponent. You're not just meeting the strike when it's low in force, but putting your own force to deflect it as well. If you've ever done any boxing/fighting, hits aren't even a fraction as hard when you aren't struck at the full extension of a punch. Could all of this be effective against the Mountain? If he's as slow and as unskilled as in the show, then probably. If the Mountain was a sharp and swift fighter, not at all. But in any case, that's a moot point. The terrible slowness and poor swordsmanship of the Mountain in the show (he looks like an oaf that got handed a sword) against the reach of a spear and a fast and very skilled spearman practically makes Oberyn an easy winner. A "realistic" fight even if they both had their gear as shown in the show would have been a no-contest. With that said, however, in a "realistic" fight, the Mountain would probably be smart enough to use a large tower shield (think of the Roman scutum). | ||
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staceymarie123
Australia59 Posts
The Sansa plot line is getting good. She used to annoying me with how naive she always seemed but now she is totally badass. Arya and the Hound are probably another plot that heaps like as well. Daenry's plot is getting annoying as hell with how boring it is and how psycho her dragons are. I also like the Bolton and Reek story and the fact that he looks like a complete psychopath with his demented pet named Reek. Tyrion's bug speech was awesome, I really loved it and the fact that it was just between him and Jaimee. I feel so sad for Tyrion and being stuck in the prison  | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On June 04 2014 15:38 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Yeah, the Mountain is a rare super heavyweight. I imagine the Mountain is supposed to be a skilled fighter for something other than his size (we haven't seen that in the show, so idk). But regardless, here's a few things to consider. The dampening of kinetic energy that armor and shields have is significant. Given the slow speed of his blows though (this is important to take into account), I doubt it would crush someone shielded and armored arm, especially if they block properly, it would stagger them though. Also, it's hard to tell because the camera jumps around a lot but the Mountain looks like he swings his sword a lot more sluggishly and "club-like" than any other characters. More importantly, the point of parrying is not to take a blow, but to actively deflect it, a classic medieval tactic of opening a clean window to strike your opponent. You're not just meeting the strike when it's low in force, but putting your own force to deflect it as well. If you've ever done any boxing/fighting, hits aren't even a fraction as hard when you aren't struck at the full extension of a punch. Could all of this be effective against the Mountain? If he's as slow and as unskilled as in the show, then probably. If the Mountain was a sharp and swift fighter, not at all. But in any case, that's a moot point. The terrible slowness and poor swordsmanship of the Mountain in the show (he looks like an oaf that got handed a sword) against the reach of a spear and a fast and very skilled spearman practically makes Oberyn an easy winner. A "realistic" fight even if they both had their gear as shown in the show would have been a no-contest. With that said, however, in a "realistic" fight, the Mountain would probably be smart enough to use a large tower shield (think of the Roman scutum). Well that is a 66 inch blade(according to the making of), the spear doesn't have a huge range advantage like it does against short/medium sized swords. Granted there is the leverage and speed advantage, but the mountain swings as fast as most people would swing it with both hands(in full armor too), and if you get caught with him having both hands on the blade, you're probably a dead man shield or not. I would agree though that the mountain actor looked a bit unskilled with a sword, although I'm not sure how much of it was due to having to wield a greatsword in one hand because lore. I'd wager a fair number of people couldn't swing it as fast with 2 hands as he could with one, it's 5-8lbs(according to my google skills). In practice he would probably slaughter most swordsman before they could close simply because he can swing that thing with so much force he'd cleave people in half through a shield while retaining a massive range advantage, and he has the reach to even make people with spears think twice. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
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On June 04 2014 17:19 Amui wrote: Well that is a 66 inch blade(according to the making of), the spear doesn't have a huge range advantage like it does against short/medium sized swords. Granted there is the leverage and speed advantage, but the mountain swings as fast as most people would swing it with both hands(in full armor too), and if you get caught with him having both hands on the blade, you're probably a dead man shield or not. I would agree though that the mountain actor looked a bit unskilled with a sword, although I'm not sure how much of it was due to having to wield a greatsword in one hand because lore. I'd wager a fair number of people couldn't swing it as fast with 2 hands as he could with one, it's 5-8lbs(according to my google skills). In practice he would probably slaughter most swordsman before they could close simply because he can swing that thing with so much force he'd cleave people in half through a shield while retaining a massive range advantage, and he has the reach to even make people with spears think twice. The blade is 66 inches? Jesus.. I was thinking more along the lines of actual medieval greatswords where the blade only topped at 40-50ish inches like Zweihanders and Claymores, which were apparently even usable against halberdier lines. Pikes however are a lot longer (10-20+ feet). A swordsman of any sword length doesn't have the reach advantage by any means. However, pikes are heavy and are mostly used in lines against cavalry. Nonetheless, despite surviving all types of battles and skirmishes, it's odd to see the Mountain fall so easily to a single guy :S. I'm certainly happy about it as he was beyond savage, but one tends to have a much higher chance of dying in battle due to all sorts of random things going on and flying through the air. Yeah, I agree the Mountain could hack away easily against a standard infantryman in a duel (and he apparently likes slaughtering prisoners for fun). Viper struck faster though. However, what's the implications back in the Dorne? I'm sure they'll be up in arms that their prince died. The Lannister-installed peace through sleazy assassinations and betrayal (such as Robb Stark's army) is probably going to be broke up again if the Dorne gets angry about the duel. It could mean a potential ally for Stannis, although Stannis was convinced last season he should eventually go to the North. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
The mountain weighs 30 stone of muscle. Which means if he connects... you die. Simple as. But the Red Viper is armed with a long spear, which he famously knows how to use exceptionally well. Real outcome: Mountain dies in first seven seconds of engagement. Spear thrusts to feet, hamstring, fist, then moving past him to finish the job with the spear in the back of the neck they never show thrusts to feet and hands in film as it dosn't look cool. But seriously... spear guy duels sword guy... spear guy stabs hands and feet. Pinprick raids that stop the enemy from fighting too hard. Also, The Mountain is wearing some kind of wierd maille and leather plates affair. This, in a time where steel plate exists is like hanging a sign around your neck saying 'kill me now'. Bigman has a massive sword, that's really cool, butsits balance is mega off whack. Yeah you might be the strongest motherfucker out there, but balance works in weird ways. Bend the spear around his guard and just take him apart piece by piece. I love asking him about this sort of stuff. I have seen him destroy people with a spear (it's his weapon of choice). It's hilarious how easily he can hit people's necks from a long range. Pic of him for reference  + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/9021_251993010646_6754968_n.jpg) | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On June 04 2014 17:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: The blade is 66 inches? Jesus.. I was thinking more along the lines of actual medieval greatswords where the blade only topped at 40-50ish inches like Zweihanders and Claymores, which were apparently even usable against halberdier lines. Just as an experiment, for everybody to try, grab a rod that's fairly light, hang 5lbs somewhere between 28 and 30inches(where the balance of the greatsword would probably be), and then try to lift it with one hand(I couldn't lift it, not enough wrist strength). That's pretty much the absolute minimum that thing would weigh(even as a realistic prop sword). Now imagine how strong somebody would have to be to swing that thing around with one hand. | ||
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