EPTwell technically speaking of course, but only after he was killing oberyn as a final, 'fuck you'. At that point, Oberyn likely wasn't even aware the mountain was talking lol, his screams and the crunching noise of his skull probably muted the world.
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crms
United States11933 Posts
well technically speaking of course, but only after he was killing oberyn as a final, 'fuck you'. At that point, Oberyn likely wasn't even aware the mountain was talking lol, his screams and the crunching noise of his skull probably muted the world. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On June 04 2014 03:06 The_Red_Viper wrote: The purpose of the unsullied isn't to have amazing single combat fighters, they have to work as a whole, kinda like the zerg (just with more strategie instead of pure mass^^) Their strength is also in not reacting to pain, not fearing death (though not seeking it either), and having nothing to gain/lose by surrendering or fleeing in a fight. In terms of combat ability they probably have more technical skill than many people since they fight & train almost 100% of the time growing up, but I don't think they're known overwhelmingly for their individual skill. It's not even clear that Greyworm is more skilled than the other Unsullied. | ||
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
On June 04 2014 03:11 crms wrote: well technically speaking of course, but only after he was killing oberyn as a final, 'fuck you'. At that point, Oberyn likely wasn't even aware the mountain was talking lol, his screams and the crunching noise of his skull probably muted the world. Really though he was going after an admission that Tywin gave the order, which the mountain never gave. It was pretty common knowledge that the mountain was the one who killed Elia/the baby. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On June 04 2014 03:05 biology]major wrote: pretty sure he still has his balls. Which is why he enjoyed looking at boobs. Also provides him strength. If they fully castrated him, he would develop breasts and lose a large chunk of his muscle mass. Strength doesn't help you when it comes down to weapons that's all. The only advantage having a strong build give you is range but strength doesn't rly make a difference when every blow can kill you. I guess it's the same as in kick boxing, the most annoying bastards are the tall and thin ones who are both agile and long ranged (them fast and long kicks). I would even say that when using long range weapons like the spear Greyworm uses, being small is even better than being tall and thin because the range is mostly nullified and the target is smaller (Syrio Forrell lesson). The thing where strength or basic muscular development might be helpful is endurance but even then, endurance can be acquired through training. No for his fast and long weapon I think Greyworm has the perfect build. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On June 04 2014 03:19 GwSC wrote: Really though he was going after an admission that Tywin gave the order, which the mountain never gave. It was pretty common knowledge that the mountain was the one who killed Elia/the baby. Right but Oberyn seemed to have some desire to hear the Mountain say it himself, I'm not sure why but it seemed to be something cathartic that Oberyn needed to properly 'avenge' his sister in his mind. Ultimately, it cost him his own life. ~_~ | ||
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
On June 04 2014 04:05 Assault_1 wrote: can anyone explain the relevance of tyrion/jamie's beatle story? He was saying you can't always know why people do stuff. Sometimes people just want to do bad things for no reason. I think he was hinting towards Cersei and/or Joffrey. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
On June 04 2014 04:05 Assault_1 wrote: can anyone explain the relevance of tyrion/jamie's beatle story? I'm afraid that it cannot be explained without subjecting yourself to hazardous mind-fuckery. | ||
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RCMDVA
United States708 Posts
Mountain = Orson Oberyn's head = beetle | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On June 04 2014 03:22 Scorch wrote: On the TV show, the Mountain was portrayed as a slow, inept fighter. Oberyn easily danced around him and totally toyed with him. I can't imagine him being such a legend and having survived hundreds of fights with the lack of skill he displayed here. After seeing this duel, I'm confident Bronn could have taken him (and actually finished him off). It's certainly a matter of fighting style though. Due to the force of his strikes, you can't ordinarily cross swords with the Mountain and you can't really block him with a shield. You'd be thrown to the ground, disarmed or just have your block broken through. But any competent fighter with an alternative fighting style, dodging, unusual weapons, mobility or dirty fighting would have a chance against him. I dont believe Bronn could of had a chance against him. Don't forget that Bronn uses sword while Oberyn uses a spear which has more reach. Even with that reach, he came close to dying a few time. It pretty evident that the Mountain can endure a lot of punishment so Bronn would have to get within death range many time to ensure a kill which would be very risky when he is using a sword. It was like Bronn said, one mistake will cost him the fight and that exactly what happen to Oberyn. | ||
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JimboBluejay
United States9 Posts
On June 04 2014 04:05 Assault_1 wrote: can anyone explain the relevance of tyrion/jamie's beatle story? I was listening to a podcast, and they were saying the beatle story is reference to George RR Martin by the current showrunners. As Martain would be cousin Olsen and the showrunners would be Tyrion trying understand the meaning of all of this death. | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On June 04 2014 03:49 crms wrote: Right but Oberyn seemed to have some desire to hear the Mountain say it himself, I'm not sure why but it seemed to be something cathartic that Oberyn needed to properly 'avenge' his sister in his mind. Ultimately, it cost him his own life. ~_~ When you look at him when the Mountain is faking death you see can what Oberyn was hiding within him, his extreme mad obsession for revenge. Imo it was not cathartic, he didn't want to calm his drive but to simply make justice (to kill everyone involved in his sister death and make them admit it). He had totally embraced his own justice and he appeared mad. But he was not a cold blooded bastard, he was warm, the embodiment of passion, of his own justice. The character stayed true to himself to the end and maybe died because of that. He only lasted one season but god the character was well done. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
Right before he goes on to talk about their mentally retarded cousin smashing beetles they are talking about the Mountain and how trial by combat is a stupid way to find someone's guilt and how "God" decides who dies and lives. I took it as the cousin being God and the beetles being everyone else alive in the world. As much as you want to explain and understand why God chooses which people live and die there's just no reason to it sometimes and you have to not obsess over it and move on and just accept it. The cousin also could've been Oberyn and the beetles were his obsession over killing the Mountain and having him confess. So obsessed with one thing his whole life and then senselessly killed in a blink of an eye. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Bronn is good, but, if I remember correctly, he relied on blocking a couple of times in that fight. That is something that he would not be able to do against the Mountain. Bronn uses light armor, I guess leather, which also means he is less agile than Oberyn who was fighting without any armor. And remember the trial by combat Sandor Clegane fought. He fucking destroyed a blade that was raised to block and cut deep into that guy's shoulder. And the Hound is just "Mountain light". If Sandor can strike through a block and kill a guy, than the Mountain surely can strike a block and cleave a guy in two. To me it makes the most sense that the Mountain is a pure strength type fighter. The ability to kill a man in one strike even of they block would mean in every large battle the mountain would kill a guy with every strike. Other more skillful, agile fighters(like Oberyn, Bronn etc.) would need to avoid enemy defenses and wait for an opportune moment to strike. Since only few people specialize in duels(like Jaime) and most of the fighting is in big battles with thousands of soldiers, the Mountain has the most fearsome reputation(since he kills a lot of people in a short amount of time). The fact that Oberyn had a similar reputation, as an agile, technical fighter, is reason to be amazed. We can only guess if he gained that reputation in large battles or if he got it in duels. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23957 Posts
On June 04 2014 04:27 Mataza wrote: Consider that Ser Bronn fought Ser Vardis Ergan(or whatever his name was). Bronn is good, but, if I remember correctly, he relied on blocking a couple of times in that fight. That is something that he would not be able to do against the Mountain. Bronn uses light armor, I guess leather, which also means he is less agile than Oberyn who was fighting without any armor. And remember the trial by combat Sandor Clegane fought. He fucking destroyed a blade that was raised to block and cut deep into that guy's shoulder. And the Hound is just "Mountain light". If Sandor can strike through a block and kill a guy, than the Mountain surely can strike a block and cleave a guy in two. Just to clear up a few things, Oberyn did wear leather, the steel is weakened by heating with the fire. That being said I don't think it's ridiculous to think the mountain could of struck through any standard blade and delivered a killing blow. I don't know if bronn could of won but 2 things he would of done differently is he would not have fought in a remotely 'fair' way and he would of taken his kill and moved on, not tried to showboat or humiliate/extract a confession from the mountain. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On June 04 2014 04:38 Sandster wrote: The Mountain cut off the head of his horse with 1 stroke. I'm pretty sure contact with his blade is certain death (or at least dismemberment). Even if it didn't cut through your armor, shield, or weapon presumably the force of such a blow would break at least one joint or bone in your body and probably knock you to the ground. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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