EPTBut that's too much theoretical philosophy for me ;P... i would still put my money on Oberyn for a rematch
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dohgg
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But that's too much theoretical philosophy for me ;P... i would still put my money on Oberyn for a rematch | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On June 03 2014 23:26 shin_toss wrote: Found some site that doing some rankings about fighters who can beat The Mountain here is their list: 10. Robert Baratheon (young) 9. Daario Naharis 8. Jaqen H'ghar 7. Sandor "The Hound" Clegane 6. Oberyn "Red Viper" Martell 5. Syrio Forel 4. Jamie Lannister (before chopped hand) 3. Khal Drogo <-- I kinda disagree with this one 2. Baristan Selmy 1. Arthur Dayne ( he is dead tho) http://whatculture.com/tv/10-game-thrones-warriors-defeat-mountain.php/4 That list is a little ridiculous. Daario doesn't belong in it for one, I agree. Also, young Robert would be way up. Arthur Dayne, not really going to comment, that's sort of a book-only character so far... He's had exactly one mention in the show. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
By the way guys - Oberyn beat the Mountain in the duel, but only because someone tossed him a 2nd spear. In a strict 1v1 where you bring you weapon and gear, Oberyn would be fighting with a broken spear head. I'm not sure his odds in that case would be so good, since you really don't want to get close to the Mountain... I'm not saying Oberyn isn't a better / more rounded fighter. Once he learned the Mountain's patterns he won handedly. However, you don't get to fight against the likes of a Mountain very often, and I doubt he leaves many survivors or gives people time to figure him out. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
On June 04 2014 00:12 Sandster wrote: By the way guys - Oberyn beat the Mountain in the duel, but only because someone tossed him a 2nd spear. In a strict 1v1 where you bring you weapon and gear, Oberyn would be fighting with a broken spear head. I'm not sure his odds in that case would be so good, since you really don't want to get close to the Mountain... In that case, I would just fight Bronn style, running away until he gets tired. Also, a wooden spear is probably not the best choice against a guy that uses a two-hander with one hand. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
The mountain is the personification of rock, emotionless and unbreakable. Oberyn was chasing a fairy tale, he let his own rage blind him in this futile task... ugh. How could Oberyn's hubris be so strong that he thought he could not only beat the mountain in combat, but break him as a man? It was NEVER, EVER, going to happen. The best he was ever going to get was to kill the mountain, that's it. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On June 04 2014 00:33 urboss wrote: In that case, I would just fight Bronn style, running away until he gets tired. Also, a wooden spear is probably not the best choice against a guy that uses a two-hander with one hand. It's the only weapon that can realistically match the Mountain's reach while still being light/mobile enough to not simply get battered aside. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On June 04 2014 00:47 crms wrote: the worst part about the red vipers death is that he was chasing a scenario that was NEVER going to happen. He wanted a confession, an admission of guilt, he wanted the mountain to bow before him and name Tywin and admit to his atrocities. Oberyn could have had the mountain tied in a dungeon, starving, beaten and tortured and the mountain wouldn't give Oberyn the pleasure. The mountain is the personification of rock, emotionless and unbreakable. Oberyn was chasing a fairy tale, he let his own rage blind him in this futile task... ugh. How could Oberyn's hubris be so strong that he thought he could not only beat the mountain in combat, but break him as a man? It was NEVER, EVER, going to happen. The best he was ever going to get was to kill the mountain, that's it. Except he did actually confess. | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
Only because he knew he had him, though. It was the ultimate rub in the face before... well, removing his face. | ||
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Roswell
United States250 Posts
On June 04 2014 01:01 TheFish7 wrote: Grey Worm so underrated. He spent his whole life training, and survived what killed many other boys. He's skinny only from lack of testosterone. Testosterone is so underrated. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On June 04 2014 02:25 Yoav wrote: Fighting the Mountain is like playing Dark Souls lol I've heard that sentiment echoed. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On June 04 2014 00:33 urboss wrote: In that case, I would just fight Bronn style, running away until he gets tired. Also, a wooden spear is probably not the best choice against a guy that uses a two-hander with one hand. The mountain doesn't tire as easily as you'd expect from what characters say. Especially given his massive size & strength makes his armor and weapon less heavy by comparison. In terms of fighting I think it'd be safe to say that no one facing the mountain is given. No matter how skilled, when someone has such a huge reach on you with such strength it's always going to be a huge risk. The Red Viper being skilled with the Spear really makes a good difference since he could at least equalize the range (or have an advantage). Any of the more traditional knights (or other mentioned characters) could pull off a victory maybe, but I don't think any of the match-ups would be 10-0 against the Mountain. At best you're probably getting 6-4 or 7-3 odds in your favor for the most skilled fighters. I think the camera work is set to imply the Viper doing better than he actually did given the choreography (and just story in general). There are a lot of somewhat close misses for the Viper, but the show plays up the Viper to setup the audience for the final outcome. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On June 04 2014 02:46 Logo wrote: The mountain doesn't tire as easily as you'd expect from what characters say. Especially given his massive size & strength makes his armor and weapon less heavy by comparison. In terms of fighting I think it'd be safe to say that no one facing the mountain is given. No matter how skilled, when someone has such a huge reach on you with such strength it's always going to be a huge risk. The Red Viper being skilled with the Spear really makes a good difference since he could at least equalize the range (or have an advantage). Any of the more traditional knights (or other mentioned characters) could pull off a victory maybe, but I don't think any of the match-ups would be 10-0 against the Mountain. At best you're probably getting 6-4 or 7-3 odds in your favor for the most skilled fighters. Which is an important point. The skill gap that has to exist between two fencers for one to get 9/10 of the points against another is enormous. In a proper duel it has to be even greater. The better duelist will win most of the time, but not always. There are lot of factors that go into it, some very hard to detect. | ||
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[]Phase[]
Belgium927 Posts
About that. Wouldn't castrating them reduce their muscle growth, and ultimately making them weaker, which contradicts the masters trying to create a super fighting force? | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On June 04 2014 00:08 LaNague wrote: its funny how the "viper" won in straight combat and died due to a simple trick. (play dead, oldest trick in the world, literally) The mountain did not play dead, he is (was) badly injured. He was hurt on multiple spots and if you watch closer you can see that Oberyns spear even pierced through his chest and came out at the back. So never ever he´s been playing dead. Plus look at the way the mountain is lying next to oberyns body... | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On June 04 2014 02:59 []Phase[] wrote: About that. Wouldn't castrating them reduce their muscle growth, and ultimately making them weaker, which contradicts the masters trying to create a super fighting force? pretty sure he still has his balls. Which is why he enjoyed looking at boobs. Also provides him strength. If they fully castrated him, he would develop breasts and lose a large chunk of his muscle mass. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On June 04 2014 02:59 []Phase[] wrote: About that. Wouldn't castrating them reduce their muscle growth, and ultimately making them weaker, which contradicts the masters trying to create a super fighting force? The purpose of the unsullied isn't to have amazing single combat fighters, they have to work as a whole, kinda like the zerg (just with more strategy instead of pure mass^^) | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On June 04 2014 03:06 The_Red_Viper wrote: The purpose of the unsullied isn't to have amazing single combat fighters, they have to work as a whole, kinda like the zerg (just with more strategie instead of pure mass^^) You're probably thinking more of Spartan/Greek formations than the zerg. | ||
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