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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 03 2014 12:32 GMT
#24341
My money is on Oberyn. Spears are pretty destructive against swords when you don't use a shield to defend yourself.
Spykiller
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway87 Posts
June 03 2014 12:38 GMT
#24342
So im fine with Obryn dying, ven tho i lovd that character, what really pissed me of was Sansa, but it seems you dont interpret what happened the same way I did. When she says she knows what Littlefinger wants, she means herself right? So after the camera cuts, I was thinkin he gave her the D. And i dont like that. Sansa, whiny as she was, was a pure character, so innocent and "lawful good" Now she turns to chaos or neutrality in the blink of an eye, plz DM have a talk with her about that alignment change.

But most of you guys seem to think she only grew up and is now a strong, grown woman, ready to fight for what she wants, and that Littlefinger wants the Iron Throne. I hope you are right cause i dont like someone changing personality in an instant.

So tell me. Is she with Littlfinger now or can I look forward to the next episode again?

RIP Oberyn most awesome char season 4
Dont worry about what you miss, be happy for what you experience
RedFury
Profile Joined September 2011
Italy85 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-03 12:41:13
June 03 2014 12:40 GMT
#24343
I think the show put some hints on fighters value here and there.

I'd say ritght now the best fighters are the Hound (Mountain to lesser extent), Bronn (dare to fight the Hound and he admit he could have beaten the Mountain with some luck) and probably that Daario guy (which has showed to be quit badass so far).

Also Brienne has showed to be on par with 2 handed Jamie who, in turn, said only 3 or so people could beat him back then.

Barristan is also very respected but I don't know how to read the fact that he didn't fight yet in the show.

Ramsay seems quite fearless but it doesn't mean he is a great fighter.

Loras and Jon Snow are a bit overrated imo. Loras lost to Brienne in Renly's guard fight and Jon Snow was losing to the guy at Kraster's keep (who may have been OP tho).
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
June 03 2014 12:47 GMT
#24344
Brienne beat a bruised, starved and tortured (for MONTHS) jaime who had his hands tied.

Bronn's entire speech was "fuck that i am NOT fighting him (the mountain)" he didn't "admit" he could beat the mountain with a bit of luck, he said "maybe i could" in the most unconvincing way possible, he did not believe it at all, it was just for theories sake.
Useless wet fish.
Erinyes
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany104 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-03 13:01:45
June 03 2014 12:59 GMT
#24345
On June 03 2014 21:38 Spykiller wrote:
So im fine with Obryn dying, ven tho i lovd that character, what really pissed me of was Sansa, but it seems you dont interpret what happened the same way I did. When she says she knows what Littlefinger wants, she means herself right? So after the camera cuts, I was thinkin he gave her the D. And i dont like that. Sansa, whiny as she was, was a pure character, so innocent and "lawful good" Now she turns to chaos or neutrality in the blink of an eye, plz DM have a talk with her about that alignment change.

But most of you guys seem to think she only grew up and is now a strong, grown woman, ready to fight for what she wants, and that Littlefinger wants the Iron Throne. I hope you are right cause i dont like someone changing personality in an instant.

So tell me. Is she with Littlfinger now or can I look forward to the next episode again?

RIP Oberyn most awesome char season 4


Honestly I am not sure if she *knows* what Littlefinger wants or rather *thinks* that she knows. I remember him saying that he never wants to be figured out because it would make him predictable - that's the last thing he wants.

The motivation behind Sansa's character change is a very interesting thing for me too.

Either she really wants kind of a new "father figure" / protector and thus adopts more of his traits ( being manipulative, lying for her own needs, etc. ). The scene where she walks down the staircase definitely points out Littlefinger is truely impressed / infatuated with her.

Or she simply uses him to her ends - getting revenge on the Lannisters for example - because she figures he's one of the only people with enough brains and connections to make that happen. This would suggest she really has grown up and learned a lot from previous experiences.

Obviously we do not know her true intentions though. Hopefully we get more details about that in a later episode.
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
June 03 2014 13:03 GMT
#24346
Loras, I think, is a great honorable fighter and jouster. He'd probably lose to Bronn if lives were at stake though. And Brienne beat him (Loras) in an honorable fight, but she wouldn't go "dirty" either, so would probably lost to Bronn as well.

Barristan used to be great, but now is old. He still could hold his own, but I don't think he is on par with the youngest one anymore.

Daario is a bit of a wild card, he has shown great skills but has yet to face a worthy opponent;

Mountain is a beast unmatched in pure strength, but has shown weakness againt technical fighters. I'd say he'll beat the Hound because of similar styles but more muscles. Bronn maybe could beat him, we have yet to see the full extent of his skills. Most likely not, most likely it will never happen.

Oberyn was the greatest of them all I think, but got his head smashed in, so, there's that. I think the look on Jaime's face was half happiness for his brother getting out (lol), and half awe, like "look at this fucking guy playing with the mountain". Not that easy to impress Jaime, even though he's a shit fighter now, he still knows what a great one looks like.

So, Mountain > Hound > Brienne > Loras, with somewhere Bronn and Daario. I feel Daario could match the Mountain, Bronn maybe Brienne, less likely the Hound.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
June 03 2014 13:07 GMT
#24347
This is game of thrones. If anyone gave anyone else the D we'd get scenes. So no i don't think he boned her.
RedFury
Profile Joined September 2011
Italy85 Posts
June 03 2014 13:09 GMT
#24348
Yes Bronn was clearly afraid of the Mountain but I think the fact he said he "could" beat him was there for a purpose (maybe the author wanted to point out that Bronn is quite a strong fighter despite backing down).

About Jamie I thought the hands tied thing was kind of an excuse from him when he realized he couldn't defeat her. If you notice from that point he starts to respect her (ok he loses the hand but still). Anyway I think that the whole Brienne story is about that despite being a woman she's one of best fighters.

Also Jorah may be a contender. Perhaps what happened with Daenerys in the last episode is just a narrative trick to let him fight someone in westeros (assuming he's going there).
way2mash4u
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany183 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-03 13:16:34
June 03 2014 13:16 GMT
#24349
I agree that Oberyn is pretty much the best out of the bunch. He confirmed his reputation for everyone to see, and I mean everybody. Stories of the Red Viper will go through all of Westeros. The warrior from Dorne who (apparantly) killed the mountain that rides.
He could probably walk through the kingsguard without a scratch. If you ask me.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14899 Posts
June 03 2014 13:18 GMT
#24350
Jaime was in chains for months, underfed not worked out, and was fighting with tied hands, it was hardly a fair fight in any way
Spykiller
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway87 Posts
June 03 2014 13:19 GMT
#24351
On June 03 2014 21:38 Spykiller wrote:
So im fine with Obryn dying, ven tho i lovd that character, what really pissed me of was Sansa, but it seems you dont interpret what happened the same way I did. When she says she knows what Littlefinger wants, she means herself right? So after the camera cuts, I was thinkin he gave her the D. And i dont like that. Sansa, whiny as she was, was a pure character, so innocent and "lawful good" Now she turns to chaos or neutrality in the blink of an eye, plz DM have a talk with her about that alignment change.

But most of you guys seem to think she only grew up and is now a strong, grown woman, ready to fight for what she wants, and that Littlefinger wants the Iron Throne. I hope you are right cause i dont like someone changing personality in an instant.

So tell me. Is she with Littlfinger now or can I look forward to the next episode again?

RIP Oberyn most awesome char season 4


LOL need a new "E" key it seems
Dont worry about what you miss, be happy for what you experience
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
June 03 2014 13:20 GMT
#24352
Why does no one ever bring up Jon Snow when it comes to good fighters?
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 03 2014 13:22 GMT
#24353
On June 03 2014 22:20 urboss wrote:
Why does no one ever bring up Jon Snow when it comes to good fighters?

Cause he isn't
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
fartosis77
Profile Joined February 2013
Belgium461 Posts
June 03 2014 13:25 GMT
#24354
he got pwned by that dualwielding scrub, doubt he'd make it anywhere close to the top10
IM NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-03 13:34:48
June 03 2014 13:26 GMT
#24355
On June 03 2014 22:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 22:20 urboss wrote:
Why does no one ever bring up Jon Snow when it comes to good fighters?

Cause he isn't

Well, he is good, better than most for sure, but still far from being one of the best. Remember he's supposed to be 16, so almost no experience. Sure he looks great against rapers and thieves, but Qorin let him win, and that guy that cut Jaime's hand wrecked him. Same for the rogue crow in craster's keep. He'd be dead if it wasn't for the girl.

Edit : Oh, actually Jon and the-guy-that-cut-jaime's-hand (what's his name damnit) never fought, nevermind that. At least not when I thought they did
Sverigevader
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden388 Posts
June 03 2014 13:31 GMT
#24356
What about Aryas homie, the shape shifter? He might be a good fighter. He's definitely the greatest assassin. Right?
"I can answer this, you're just a god damn sexy mofo." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147829&currentpage=7#139
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 03 2014 13:35 GMT
#24357
On June 03 2014 22:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 22:20 urboss wrote:
Why does no one ever bring up Jon Snow when it comes to good fighters?

Cause he isn't


rip dude.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
June 03 2014 13:35 GMT
#24358
On June 03 2014 21:38 Spykiller wrote:
So im fine with Obryn dying, ven tho i lovd that character, what really pissed me of was Sansa, but it seems you dont interpret what happened the same way I did. When she says she knows what Littlefinger wants, she means herself right? So after the camera cuts, I was thinkin he gave her the D. And i dont like that. Sansa, whiny as she was, was a pure character, so innocent and "lawful good" Now she turns to chaos or neutrality in the blink of an eye, plz DM have a talk with her about that alignment change.

But most of you guys seem to think she only grew up and is now a strong, grown woman, ready to fight for what she wants, and that Littlefinger wants the Iron Throne. I hope you are right cause i dont like someone changing personality in an instant.

So tell me. Is she with Littlfinger now or can I look forward to the next episode again?

RIP Oberyn most awesome char season 4


I mean it is all guessing at this point, but after watching the scene I wasn't under the impression that she and Littlefinger made a night out of it.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9407 Posts
June 03 2014 13:36 GMT
#24359
On June 03 2014 22:26 Cynry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 22:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On June 03 2014 22:20 urboss wrote:
Why does no one ever bring up Jon Snow when it comes to good fighters?

Cause he isn't

Well, he is good, better than most for sure, but still far from being one of the best. Remember he's supposed to be 16, so almost no experience. Sure he looks great against rapers and thieves, but Qorin let him win, and that guy that cut Jaime's hand wrecked him. Same for the rogue crow in craster's keep. He'd be dead if it wasn't for the girl.

Edit : Oh, actually Jon and the-guy-that-cut-jaime's-hand (what's his name !@#$%^&*) never fought, nevermind that. At least not when I thought they did


He is older now.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=24355&topic_id=82188

Like 4 years has passed since season 1.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 03 2014 13:36 GMT
#24360
On June 03 2014 22:35 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 22:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On June 03 2014 22:20 urboss wrote:
Why does no one ever bring up Jon Snow when it comes to good fighters?

Cause he isn't


rip dude.

what is dead may never die!
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