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blade55555
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BigFan
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On July 13 2017 23:12 blade55555 wrote: Yeah I don't think Jiren is the mortal that they talked about. He might be, but it sounds like Beerus knew who that mortal was. I figure he would say it if it was Jiren, but maybe he doesn't know. Guess we'll see sometime in the next month or so. I think it is worth pointing out that hit squads were sent against Frieza, not Jiren. It may be a giant plot hole, but I am still deeply entertaining the idea that U7 really is king here and that it may not even be a difficult tournament. At this point, U7 has 3 fighters who are capable of at the very least sparring with a GoD. That is clearly insanely unique. If we assume that Android 17 is also very strong, but likely below Frieza, or perhaps even above, that brings us to 4. From the pride troopers, the only one worth thinking about is Jiren. Toppo seemed to be #2 and he got blown the fuck up by SSB kaio ken. Are we really to assume Jiren is 4x as strong as Goku, Vegeta, Frieza and 17? My gut tells me that if there is some legit badass in this tourney, it is not Jiren. But I also think it is possible that while Jiren is strong, Goku has an ace far beyond SSBKK up his sleeve and it ultimately ends with Goku outclassing Jiren. And from there, the true antagonist is revealed. Whether that is someone else in the tournament or someone totally unrelated, I don't know. I just can't help but feel like Jiren is somewhat of a red herring. | ||
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Velr
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NewSunshine
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On July 14 2017 01:13 Velr wrote: Did draonball ever do something like that before? No? I hope your right but its very unlikely. Well first, Goku getting straight up railed by Beerus. Then Frieza winning. Things went well in the U6/U7 tourney. And then Zamasu totally won and took over the universe until Zenoh was like "lol nope". Point being, I think DBS is a lot less predictable than DBZ. | ||
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BigFan
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On July 14 2017 01:30 LegalLord wrote: I'm kind of taking a "I'll believe it when I see it" approach to particularly heavy Jiren hype. He needs to do something first. While I agree overall, he's been hyped like mad and Goku even wondering how Jiren got behind him and then Jiren avoiding those blocks from several episodes ago. Given, Goku has a tendency to say this stuff then power up and do just as well usually lol so take it with a grain of salt I guess. | ||
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Mohdoo
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On July 14 2017 01:45 BigFan wrote: While I agree overall, he's been hyped like mad and Goku even wondering how Jiren got behind him and then Jiren avoiding those blocks from several episodes ago. Given, Goku has a tendency to say this stuff then power up and do just as well usually lol so take it with a grain of salt I guess. My impression is that super classic SSJ lore is back in play. Goku was base form, which we now know to be significantly weaker than SSJ1, based on how Goku handled those U9 guys. So I think we are back to the whole idea that going SSJ is like your classic Zarbon:Vegeta dynamic. From getting shit on to being the one doing the shitting in a single transformation. SSJ is across the board strength and speed. If we think of base-->SSJ-->SSJ2-->SSJ3-->SSJB, SSJ2 Goku would freely toss around base form Goku like a frisbee. Jiren being godly in the eyes of base form Goku is very reasonable based on what a difference it made for Goku to briefly go SSJ1, and then later go SSJB. | ||
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On July 14 2017 02:48 [Phantom] wrote: What I've been wondering is why he goes straight to SSJB from base form or SS1 and never goes to SS3 or two. For example against the wolf brothers he seemed to be able to match them with SS1, why not go to two and defeat them without using a lot of energy to go blue? From what I've seen, SSJ3 is probably as much of a drain as Blue. Doesn't make sense to use it. | ||
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TMG26
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Shouldn't Goku and Vegeta be considered gods now that they use God Ki? | ||
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RvB
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On July 14 2017 01:57 Mohdoo wrote: My impression is that super classic SSJ lore is back in play. Goku was base form, which we now know to be significantly weaker than SSJ1, based on how Goku handled those U9 guys. So I think we are back to the whole idea that going SSJ is like your classic Zarbon:Vegeta dynamic. From getting shit on to being the one doing the shitting in a single transformation. SSJ is across the board strength and speed. If we think of base-->SSJ-->SSJ2-->SSJ3-->SSJB, SSJ2 Goku would freely toss around base form Goku like a frisbee. Jiren being godly in the eyes of base form Goku is very reasonable based on what a difference it made for Goku to briefly go SSJ1, and then later go SSJB. I disagree. I'm sure Goku already took into account the fact that he's in his base form. Jiren also didn't break a sweat. Jiren is quite clearly being hyped as the strongest opponent in the tournament. Sure it's possible that there's a villain behind him in this arc (the angels being obvious candidates) but I doubt anyone in the tournament is stronger than Jiren/Goku/Vegeta. Part of the reason Goku couldn't sustain ssj3 against buu was that he wasn't used to his alive body. He'd been dead for a while and never used ssj3 when he was alive. It was hard for him to sustain Ssj1 as well untill he trained to get used to it in the hyperbolic time chamber. I think between the end of dbz and the start of dbs should've been enough for him to get used to it and for the form not to be as big a drain on him. Not nearly as much as ssj blue anyway. | ||
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BigFan
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On July 14 2017 02:48 [Phantom] wrote: What I've been wondering is why he goes straight to SSJB from base form or SS1 and never goes to SS3 or two. For example against the wolf brothers he seemed to be able to match them with SS1, why not go to two and defeat them without using a lot of energy to go blue? I figure that the transformation eats up a lot of energy. No point in going to SSJ2 if SSJ1 is more than good enough and helps him conserve for the most part. On July 14 2017 03:21 MoonfireSpam wrote: Hmm the more this has been mentioned the more I could see Jiren being the Mr Satan of the Pride troopers, Toriyama is goofy enough to do it. I would like to say yes to this but I don't think so. We've been shown multiple times that Jiren is the real deal unlike Monaka. | ||
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On July 14 2017 04:05 LegalLord wrote: Freeza is an underappreciated wild card here. He's clearly plotting something to take advantage of the situation. Eh, kind of. I don't think he has any illusion that he would be capable of taking on any angels or Zenoh or anything. Then again, I guess he doesn't know how strong angels are? Does he have any reason to know Whis makes Beerus look like trash? At best, I could imagine him trying to kill a GoD, but the U9 one is already gone. | ||
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On July 14 2017 04:05 LegalLord wrote: Freeza is an underappreciated wild card here. He's clearly plotting something to take advantage of the situation. And unlike Goku and Vegeta, no clear trouble with any opponent yet. To be fair, I would imagine that to brutalize his opponents the way he does, he holds back way less than Goku and Vegeta. | ||
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