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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
July 12 2017 02:28 GMT
#1801
On July 12 2017 11:17 Slaughter wrote:
I don't see why Hit wouldn't destroy Jiren tbh. Unless he somehow already knows about Hits ability. Hit destroys people especially when they don't know about his ability.

Didn't they say time works differently? I get the feeling hit's technique doesn't work.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9025 Posts
July 12 2017 02:28 GMT
#1802
Remember when Jiren was behind Goku all of a sudden? Goku didn't even see it. I have a feeling Jiren moves faster than anyone besides Whis or a GoD.

+ Show Spoiler +
I think Goku solidifies SSB into his base form. He's supposed to get a new transformation.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-12 03:40:01
July 12 2017 03:39 GMT
#1803
On July 12 2017 11:02 BigFan wrote:
^ The dub is going to take at least another year to catch up lol.

I too hope that Jiren faces off against Hit. I'd rather Hit doesn't get destroyed though, a close competition early on where Jiren dominates towards the end. Also, Freiza trashing Toppo would be awesome! It won't happen though, I think.


I think it'll be 2 years minimum if there is a break after the ROF arc (which I am assuming there is as no announcement of the next arc by Funimation yet). I really can't wait until the new arc gets dubbed.


Also wonder which universe is going to be erased next... 6? 4?
When I think of something else, something will go here
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9025 Posts
July 12 2017 03:47 GMT
#1804
Probably 4. U6 is Champa and the other Saiyans. Not going to kick them out until the very end.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 12 2017 04:10 GMT
#1805
On July 12 2017 12:39 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2017 11:02 BigFan wrote:
^ The dub is going to take at least another year to catch up lol.

I too hope that Jiren faces off against Hit. I'd rather Hit doesn't get destroyed though, a close competition early on where Jiren dominates towards the end. Also, Freiza trashing Toppo would be awesome! It won't happen though, I think.


I think it'll be 2 years minimum if there is a break after the ROF arc (which I am assuming there is as no announcement of the next arc by Funimation yet). I really can't wait until the new arc gets dubbed.


Also wonder which universe is going to be erased next... 6? 4?

Ya, good point. I'm watching dubs as they come out.

Universe 4 most likely. U6 and 11 will likely stay till the end.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
MyLovelyLurker
Profile Joined April 2007
France756 Posts
July 12 2017 07:09 GMT
#1806
Is U4 Murichim and the Protein Shake guys ? Yeah, at least the Trio de Dangers didn't need juice and a yoga mat before fighting, so those won't last long either.
"I just say, it doesn't matter win or lose, I just love Starcraft 2, I love this game, I love this stage, just play like in practice" - TIME/Oliveira
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
July 12 2017 09:14 GMT
#1807
On July 12 2017 16:09 MyLovelyLurker wrote:
Is U4 Murichim and the Protein Shake guys ? Yeah, at least the Trio de Dangers didn't need juice and a yoga mat before fighting, so those won't last long either.

Murichim is 10. 4 are the guys working for the mouse GoD (e.g. that guy who tried to eliminate himself along with Goku in the first minute of the tournament).
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
July 12 2017 14:08 GMT
#1808
I like the dubs alot actually, that goku and vegeta voice is the one i grew up with watching cartoons every morning. So for me personally super was the first actual watching experience with subs (even tho i think 99% of all anime i watch with subs).
Goku's personality i think does differ within sub vs dub, i feel like the dubbed version is way more mature/badass and this goku (at least from super) seems just clownly and immature (ofc super seems to be the main problem of this)

Watching the dubbed super version goku feels more right tho i have to say i think i skipped alot of the freiza arc due to just watching the movie cause man does the anime drag that fight out. But he has this way of switching from a serious voice to a more laughing joking voice which i dislike how the japanese voice actor does it, it just doesnt seem to do it for me. All my personal opinions tho.
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
July 12 2017 16:16 GMT
#1809
On July 12 2017 23:08 Shock710 wrote:
I like the dubs alot actually, that goku and vegeta voice is the one i grew up with watching cartoons every morning. So for me personally super was the first actual watching experience with subs (even tho i think 99% of all anime i watch with subs).
Goku's personality i think does differ within sub vs dub, i feel like the dubbed version is way more mature/badass and this goku (at least from super) seems just clownly and immature (ofc super seems to be the main problem of this)

Watching the dubbed super version goku feels more right tho i have to say i think i skipped alot of the freiza arc due to just watching the movie cause man does the anime drag that fight out. But he has this way of switching from a serious voice to a more laughing joking voice which i dislike how the japanese voice actor does it, it just doesnt seem to do it for me. All my personal opinions tho.


I think that part of this is just the fact that as a country, Japan is just way more goofy and silly than the US. It's weird. In Japan, my feeling is that you have designated things that are important. Then things that are NOT important. When the Japanese let loose, they do so with great conviction. It makes sense to me that for a given show, the dialogue would get skewed towards a bit more serious when trying to entertain an American audience.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 12 2017 21:41 GMT
#1810
Personally I'd prefer not to see Hit get Worfed just because we need to show that Jiren is strong. That would be stupid.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
July 12 2017 22:16 GMT
#1811
On July 13 2017 06:41 LegalLord wrote:
Personally I'd prefer not to see Hit get Worfed just because we need to show that Jiren is strong. That would be stupid.


Yeah, I think so too. I would love to see Hit actually take out Jiren after some sort of insane training. Gotta keep in mind this dude was undefeated for 1000 years and he talked about what an enormous difference it made to fight someone as strong as Goku. He got dealt, even while fucking stopping time.

I think there is a fair story to write about this 1000 year old killing machine being body slammed and having his fighting spirit enhanced.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-12 22:38:50
July 12 2017 22:38 GMT
#1812
I want Freeza to be the main guy who gets used to build up Jiren before the Goku fight. Simply because Freeza is the big 'evil' in the arena and the Pride Troopers are forces of 'good'. A confrontation should be inevitable if they see his strength and brutality.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
July 12 2017 22:50 GMT
#1813
On July 13 2017 07:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 06:41 LegalLord wrote:
Personally I'd prefer not to see Hit get Worfed just because we need to show that Jiren is strong. That would be stupid.


Yeah, I think so too. I would love to see Hit actually take out Jiren after some sort of insane training. Gotta keep in mind this dude was undefeated for 1000 years and he talked about what an enormous difference it made to fight someone as strong as Goku. He got dealt, even while fucking stopping time.

I think there is a fair story to write about this 1000 year old killing machine being body slammed and having his fighting spirit enhanced.

I thought Hit and his power was actually cool and interesting, my problem comes from how they introduced his power, and then over the course of 1 fight, his ability to stop time gets like 100 times stronger. It felt like a massive asspull just to make the fight longer and more "tense". The point of establishing limits and boundaries on a character is to give you a baseline from which you can appreciate what they can do, when they stretched his power all the way out like that the baseline was destroyed, and now I have 0 idea where he really fits in the overall power level scheme. He was scary strong at the end of his fight with Goku, but then I saw Roshi hold his own with Goku during the buildup arc, so anything can happen. And it probably will.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
July 12 2017 22:56 GMT
#1814
Just realised there are a lot of characters I'm way more interested in than Goku, to the point where I hope they get enough episode time to flesh them out.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 12 2017 23:18 GMT
#1815
On the dub: especially since Kai, Funimation has been doing good work. But I ain't waiting a year and a half for the dub to catch up. I'll save it for a later binge rerun.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
July 13 2017 01:03 GMT
#1816
On July 13 2017 07:50 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 07:16 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 13 2017 06:41 LegalLord wrote:
Personally I'd prefer not to see Hit get Worfed just because we need to show that Jiren is strong. That would be stupid.


Yeah, I think so too. I would love to see Hit actually take out Jiren after some sort of insane training. Gotta keep in mind this dude was undefeated for 1000 years and he talked about what an enormous difference it made to fight someone as strong as Goku. He got dealt, even while fucking stopping time.

I think there is a fair story to write about this 1000 year old killing machine being body slammed and having his fighting spirit enhanced.

I thought Hit and his power was actually cool and interesting, my problem comes from how they introduced his power, and then over the course of 1 fight, his ability to stop time gets like 100 times stronger. It felt like a massive asspull just to make the fight longer and more "tense". The point of establishing limits and boundaries on a character is to give you a baseline from which you can appreciate what they can do, when they stretched his power all the way out like that the baseline was destroyed, and now I have 0 idea where he really fits in the overall power level scheme. He was scary strong at the end of his fight with Goku, but then I saw Roshi hold his own with Goku during the buildup arc, so anything can happen. And it probably will.


My impression of this was to show that Goku was pushing this 1000 year old killing machine to his limit and that this particular killing machine has basically breezed through his work for the past very long time. This guy has become utterly bored and can't seem to find thrill in anything anymore. To the point of where he wasn't even pushing himself for hundreds of years. Suddenly, this freakishly strong dude shows up and is even predicting his movements early enough to counter the technique. At that point, he is forced to see how far he can go. I don't see it as him suddenly being stronger as much as he has never needed to power up or push his limits before.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
July 13 2017 01:48 GMT
#1817
On July 13 2017 10:03 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 07:50 NewSunshine wrote:
On July 13 2017 07:16 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 13 2017 06:41 LegalLord wrote:
Personally I'd prefer not to see Hit get Worfed just because we need to show that Jiren is strong. That would be stupid.


Yeah, I think so too. I would love to see Hit actually take out Jiren after some sort of insane training. Gotta keep in mind this dude was undefeated for 1000 years and he talked about what an enormous difference it made to fight someone as strong as Goku. He got dealt, even while fucking stopping time.

I think there is a fair story to write about this 1000 year old killing machine being body slammed and having his fighting spirit enhanced.

I thought Hit and his power was actually cool and interesting, my problem comes from how they introduced his power, and then over the course of 1 fight, his ability to stop time gets like 100 times stronger. It felt like a massive asspull just to make the fight longer and more "tense". The point of establishing limits and boundaries on a character is to give you a baseline from which you can appreciate what they can do, when they stretched his power all the way out like that the baseline was destroyed, and now I have 0 idea where he really fits in the overall power level scheme. He was scary strong at the end of his fight with Goku, but then I saw Roshi hold his own with Goku during the buildup arc, so anything can happen. And it probably will.


My impression of this was to show that Goku was pushing this 1000 year old killing machine to his limit and that this particular killing machine has basically breezed through his work for the past very long time. This guy has become utterly bored and can't seem to find thrill in anything anymore. To the point of where he wasn't even pushing himself for hundreds of years. Suddenly, this freakishly strong dude shows up and is even predicting his movements early enough to counter the technique. At that point, he is forced to see how far he can go. I don't see it as him suddenly being stronger as much as he has never needed to power up or push his limits before.

It's been a bit since I saw it, so my abiding memory might be inaccurate. That would work better for the purposes of keeping him relevant in the tournament.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9025 Posts
July 13 2017 03:18 GMT
#1818
I rewatched this fight last night. What I took from it was that Hit was like Freeza in the sense that he was insanely good from the beginning and didn't need to train. The difference between Hit, Freeza, and Goku, is that Hit improves on the spot, dramatically. Whereas Freeza can reach SSB in 6 months of training hardcore, Hit reached it in the course of one fight. I think they OP'd Hit and then had to OP Jiren because they messed it up.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
July 13 2017 04:06 GMT
#1819
On July 13 2017 12:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I rewatched this fight last night. What I took from it was that Hit was like Freeza in the sense that he was insanely good from the beginning and didn't need to train. The difference between Hit, Freeza, and Goku, is that Hit improves on the spot, dramatically. Whereas Freeza can reach SSB in 6 months of training hardcore, Hit reached it in the course of one fight. I think they OP'd Hit and then had to OP Jiren because they messed it up.

Well Jiren is looking to be that fighter they mentioned that not even Beerus could beat, so... yup.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9025 Posts
July 13 2017 04:24 GMT
#1820
On July 13 2017 13:06 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 12:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I rewatched this fight last night. What I took from it was that Hit was like Freeza in the sense that he was insanely good from the beginning and didn't need to train. The difference between Hit, Freeza, and Goku, is that Hit improves on the spot, dramatically. Whereas Freeza can reach SSB in 6 months of training hardcore, Hit reached it in the course of one fight. I think they OP'd Hit and then had to OP Jiren because they messed it up.

Well Jiren is looking to be that fighter they mentioned that not even Beerus could beat, so... yup.

That seems like the way they want to set it up, but I can't believe it. There are still 4 other universes out there.
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