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On July 10 2017 02:33 HolydaKing wrote:Obviously not Zeno, but the Grand Priest will return all the Universes to their original state. He's a Priest, after all.  In any case it serves for more tenseness that they get eliminated as the fighters will, in theory, take it more seriously.
Predictable answer is the winner of the tournament will use the super dragon balls to save the other universes.
I hope thats not the case and we get something else like merging the twelve universes and somehow overthrow Zeno.
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On July 10 2017 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2017 03:05 Nakajin wrote:On July 10 2017 01:52 GoTuNk! wrote:On July 10 2017 00:34 Cricketer12 wrote:On July 09 2017 23:07 HKTPZ wrote:
Surely, Zeno is able to un-undo Universe 9 ...god fucking dammnit... Can he? I would believe erasing a universe takes a lot less power than re creating it exactly like it was before. Also, on the plan of angels ganging up on the Zeno's, how could they? Zeno's seem to be incredibly OP, and we don't even know about the guards. It looks like they could raise their hands and wipe them out of existence. Did they create the universes that actually exist? I mean I guess he could, depend how the writers feel. The whole creation thing is pretty vague, I mean the gods were suppose to create the worlds, but they don't seem to ever do shit. Goku goes on to be god of creation of a universe? Zenoh likes Goku and it kind of gives Goku a reason to not be the primary good guy. Gohan's time to ascend while Goku fosters talent to make a universe have a higher power?
That would be kind of dumb. That is something Goku would never do and has declined such positions in the past (Guardian of Earth). He's not the kind of character to accept that ever.
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^ pretty much.
Even though I feel like the angels are up to something, I have to agree with the general consensus that that's outside of DBS lol. I mean, sure, Cell avoiding the fighters as he searched for the androids or appealing to Vegeta's weak side to absorb 18 or Majin Buu faking his own death to buy time then egging Gotenks on in order to absorb him are examples of what I would consider 'smart' moments but I think we're reading too much into this. I think all the universes will be restored. I hope it's not by the dragon balls because we can see that coming from a mile away. Would much prefer something else, not sure what though.
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On July 10 2017 06:40 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2017 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:On July 10 2017 03:05 Nakajin wrote:On July 10 2017 01:52 GoTuNk! wrote:On July 10 2017 00:34 Cricketer12 wrote:On July 09 2017 23:07 HKTPZ wrote:
Surely, Zeno is able to un-undo Universe 9 ...god fucking dammnit... Can he? I would believe erasing a universe takes a lot less power than re creating it exactly like it was before. Also, on the plan of angels ganging up on the Zeno's, how could they? Zeno's seem to be incredibly OP, and we don't even know about the guards. It looks like they could raise their hands and wipe them out of existence. Did they create the universes that actually exist? I mean I guess he could, depend how the writers feel. The whole creation thing is pretty vague, I mean the gods were suppose to create the worlds, but they don't seem to ever do shit. Goku goes on to be god of creation of a universe? Zenoh likes Goku and it kind of gives Goku a reason to not be the primary good guy. Gohan's time to ascend while Goku fosters talent to make a universe have a higher power? That would be kind of dumb. That is something Goku would never do and has declined such positions in the past (Guardian of Earth). He's not the kind of character to accept that ever.
I'm not so sure he'll be given a choice. Goku and Vegeta as supreme Kai and God of destruction would be funny, as their lives would become conjoined. It may prove to be a good method of fostering a universe with a strong emphasis on fighting power improvement. Goku and Vegeta being rival saiyans would surely encourage a culture of martial arts competitions
Edit: I could imagine it being a part of an agreement to bring s universe back. Goku and Vegeta being transferred to u9 to be it's gods kind of fits after they were the ones to wipe the whole team.
Jiren and Toppo could be the same gods of a universe that they take out too.
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Color me pleasantly surprised. I thought they would drag this out more. Getting rid of a joke universe in one episode is faster pacing than I expected from Dragon Ball. In DBZ, it takes almost that long for somebody to do a constipated power-up. That U9 angel's smirk is obviously shady. The second half of the episode is awesome with Goku and Vegeta getting rid of them so fast.
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On July 10 2017 11:47 andrewlt wrote:
Color me pleasantly surprised. I thought they would drag this out more. Getting rid of a joke universe in one episode is faster pacing than I expected from Dragon Ball. In DBZ, it takes almost that long for somebody to do a constipated power-up. That U9 angel's smirk is obviously shady. The second half of the episode is awesome with Goku and Vegeta getting rid of them so fast.
I think they did the general power scaling lore/retcon well in this episode. SSJ1 Goku rolling over people was appropriate. Blue honestly seemed like overkill to me but I guess you could say it is justified if it means 100% guaranteed elimination of that whole team.
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Wait. So the Final Kamehameha. Isn't that a Vegito move? They retain those memories and sensations?
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Finishing strikes at full power is a necessity in DBZ. You hold nothing back on that final decisive blow. And the wolf bros certainly weren't weak.
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They weren't weak at all. But it's kinda suspect that Bergamo never transformed from fighting Goku. Wasn't that his thing in the exhibition match?
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On July 10 2017 14:00 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
They weren't weak at all. But it's kinda suspect that Bergamo never transformed from fighting Goku. Wasn't that his thing in the exhibition match?
I'm inclined to agree but maybe there was a reason for it? After all, keep in mind that they were ganging up on Goku and Vegeta so he probably decided he didn't need it then they got caught offguard and were being pushed around and all over. Once they decided to push back, aka that triple beam, it was too late to use then.
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On July 10 2017 14:07 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2017 14:00 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
They weren't weak at all. But it's kinda suspect that Bergamo never transformed from fighting Goku. Wasn't that his thing in the exhibition match? I'm inclined to agree but maybe there was a reason for it? After all, keep in mind that they were ganging up on Goku and Vegeta so he probably decided he didn't need it then they got caught offguard and were being pushed around and all over. Once they decided to push back, aka that triple beam, it was too late to use then.
Makes sense. I'll give you that.
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Im thinking all of universe 9 was sent to another universe and universe 9 itself went bye bye.
I also think its understandable that the angel would smile after his universe is gone since he can finally get a day off.
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On July 10 2017 13:53 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Wait. So the Final Kamehameha. Isn't that a Vegito move? They retain those memories and sensations?
"Big-Bang Kamehameha" was their move when fused I think.
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That was Gogeta's move. Vegito had Final Kamehameha. A clever callback for sure.
Not sure how you could look at that U9 angel's smile and see anything other than malice in it.
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Ever since the first time I saw the Grand Priest smile at the beginning of the arc, he was #1 on the "here's the next boss fight" list.
Final Kamehameha was used against Zamasu. That's why I remembered it.
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I'm still not 100% sold on U9 angel being evil. I can't help but feel like Whis would give zero shits if our universe was erased.
Edit: To me, it could just be blatant disappointment or an end to what was probably essentially suffering. I think it can be safely assumed that when a universe struggles, it is because of the gods, not the angels. The angels are guides, but they never seem particularly motivated to make sure their gods are as good as they can be. Whis will mock and tease Beerus for being lazy, but it never feels like Whis actually gives a shit whether Beerus is successful or not.
Watching that universe be erased may have been a simple "finally" moment for him. I can't help but feel like universes can sometimes end up restored or reborn or something. The angels don't seem surprised to hear of universe erasure.
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Yeah i doubt the angels are evil. Like if anything the whole action of deleting universes and thus life simply because a few fighters cannot win in a tournament, that is evil as fuck. At least from our moral perspective.
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On July 11 2017 01:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Yeah i doubt the angels are evil. Like if anything the whole action of deleting universes and thus life simply because a few fighters cannot win in a tournament, that is evil as fuck. At least from our moral perspective.
I get the impression universes have been wiped before. Maybe I am stretching here, but I think it is possible that once universes are wiped, new universes are birthed in angel staffs. Maybe with accelerated time? Once a universe is fully big-banged or some shit, it becomes a "real time" universe and is given a set of gods.
We could be talking billions of universes each with billions or trillions of years of life. It would explain why every single thing just downright does not matter at all to any angels. That smirk at the end of U9 being erased could just be a simple "and so ends another chapter".
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It has been mentioned that there used to be 18 universes.
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On July 11 2017 01:23 LegalLord wrote:
It has been mentioned that there used to be 18 universes.
Right, but I'm not convinced it is as simple as that. It might be that other universes are just dormant or being remade at this point.
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