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Elentos
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Mohdoo
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On March 22 2017 01:52 BigFan wrote: Interesting theory 17Sphynx17. Not sure if I fully agree. Sure, I agree that the grand priest has a hand and reason for everything but Zeno's growth is being stalled by lower-leveled universes? That seems a bit odd to me. I mean, sure, maybe if he destroyed things, he'll get a little more grasp on his power but still, I don't agree. Nice catch with the two Zeno's bit, always thought it was future Zeno following suit. However, you can also explain it as current Zeno just likes to follow future Zeno as a friend. Basically, liking the same things etc... 1) I'm thinking it's probably not about power but interest. I do find it a bit funny that you said that justice/love/compassion is part of being GoD. Beerus doesn't display much of those imo lol. Well, maybe justice but I don't seem the other two much lol. 2) hmm maybe you're reading too much into it. He probably figured that the tournament would be much better if both Goku and Toppo were at full strength if they participated. After all, 40 hours is all the time left before it starts. Unless Universe 11 has senzu beans, Toppo would be out of luck compared to Goku in that case. Also, maybe there are repercussions to them going all out at that moment and he didn't fully plan for it either. 1) My thought is something along the lines of "in order to be trusted to destroy what need be destroyed, you must show complete compassion first" sorta deal. But you're right that certain personality holes throw my theory out the window. So then I would ask: What makes someone qualified to be the new GoD? 2) I still just can't help but think the grand priest was surprised and worried. The zoom in on his face right before he calls it showed some kinda fear. | ||
BigFan
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On March 22 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote: 1) My thought is something along the lines of "in order to be trusted to destroy what need be destroyed, you must show complete compassion first" sorta deal. But you're right that certain personality holes throw my theory out the window. So then I would ask: What makes someone qualified to be the new GoD? 2) I still just can't help but think the grand priest was surprised and worried. The zoom in on his face right before he calls it showed some kinda fear. 1) good question, not sure. Maybe a combination of being powerful and acceptance? 2) maybe, I dunno but I still think you're reading too much into it. | ||
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LegalLord
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Zeno is something similar but without a sense of proportion. He's like a "terrorism? Nuke the entire region!" type of guardian. | ||
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Mohdoo
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/m6Dr4Tv.jpg) Blew my mind though. | ||
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17Sphynx17
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On March 22 2017 02:29 BigFan wrote: 1) good question, not sure. Maybe a combination of being powerful and acceptance? 2) maybe, I dunno but I still think you're reading too much into it. 1) what if the requirement is you have some sort of purity of form. Meaning show no malice, regardless of what else you actually display. Beerus has it as well as champa is how they act. One sided to fault but no malice. Goku has that purity of form but he just loves to fight strong people regardless of the consequences. Toppo has it but it his expression of 'justice'. So in that sense, i would think the nimbus would actually be a good measure of who has that minimum requirement to be a GoD. If you are not that strong, the angel can train you if he needs you to be stronger. As it stands, mortal level is not purely about strength and a specific universe might not need its GoD to be 'that' strong. But you need to have enough power as GoD to destroy planets. Zamasu had malice, but no angel was selecting him for being a GoD, however a kai did select him and he did admit he made a mistake in his choice as he was old and didnt notice it or maybe didnt choose to see it and believed he could train it out of him. So even a supreme kai may need that purity of form, but the successor is trained by the current supreme kai chosen from his pool of kais that remain. As supreme kai or GoD you simply have to serve a greater purpose which we now know as grow the mortal level of your universe. Destruction is given the role to the GoD because an angel is always with them if and when they destroy. And should a GoD destroy a wrong planet, they have the 3minute reset skill, enough time to bring back the planet but not too drastic that it would create it own time ring. And the could disable the erring GoD at that point, as angels are shown to be stronger than their GoD. The time rings real purpose is for use by supreme kais to observe the future and go back to their current timeline and influence that future to what they deem is proper. But using the rings to back to the past to prevent destruction is not allowed as that would create a split in the timeline and its own timering. That is a task for the angels not the supreme kais. 2) as for why the grand priest stopped the fight between toppo and goku. What if because the level of their fight might be enough to satisfy the omni kings and they might lose interest in the actual tournament of power, hence no need for the removal of universes anymore. They are kids and goku was still an unknown in how he could interact with the omni kings. The fight could have been an out where goku or any kai could propose that such a display of power is something they could regularly show the omni king at his request, as long he doesnt remove the universes, the kais are more than willing to make sure such a spectacle could be shown to him at his request. Just a guess. As for why the need to destroy the lower level universes, well as i previously theorized, they are on a different level, an omniversal level. The universal level is simply just like an education toy or kit to them as marbles in a sand box. Losing 6 universes as you grow for the toys that couldnt keep up is insignificant to them as they exist for a greater purpose. As to what the omni king could possibly be growing into. Well my theory depends on how high the mortal levels of the remaining universes could keep up with his growth. Assuming he reaches a certain prime point, say mortal level 18 for one remaining universe to the omnikings age being that of an 18year old or adult. At that point, the omni king himself has grown to become his own grand priest and he is now given a new charge, his own young omniking to grow as well with 18 universes that go along wih him. And the cycle repeats itself. What happens to our current grand priest, well in the new balance of power, he becomes the mentor of the new grand priest should he chose to, or maybe it is also like the arrangements between GoD and the angels, the angel will switch off as his charge no longer exist thus serving no purpose. | ||
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17Sphynx17
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Before goku met the omni king, no one really was interacting with him other than the grand priest. And the omni king simply plays with this 'toys' as their time moves forward. We know the omni king looks at the universes and watches them. The main case being that he found out about the tournament of universe 6 and 7 for the super dragon balls and he had so much fun that just had to go in and let them know he had fun with what they did. All was well and good which is why the grand priest wasnt with them when they teleported in. Everyone is normally afriad to approach or interact with the omni king. But should someone attempt it, he normally had his 2 guards with him. The problem was goku wasnt you normal character, and he just lept forward and interacted with the omniking and became his first 'friend' since he existed. That says a lot to me. Eventually goku said he would introduce a new friend or playmate to the omniking, and that is something the angels wanted to see because no one could normally handle interaction with the omniking. So it was something even the grand priest was ok with but was unlikely as goku was an anomaly to begin with. Problem was goku did find someone, another omni king. I also wondered before why they needed to add that 'i want a playmate' request. As no one would surely be able to keep up and handle interaction with the omni king. Not even goku as he wants to fight strong opponents and could be locked down to being the omni kings playmate. Who could possibly be up to the task. Then goku shows us the future trunks omni king was different from our omniking. Not too different, but still different nonetheless. We even have trouble identifying who is who now except through dialogue. But now we know, our omniking is the one on the left and the one goku brought is the omni king on the right. So that shows us that eventhough the flow of time is different between where the omni king and grand priest reside to where we are or the universes are. But time still moved forward for both regardless. Goku getting the future trunks omniking was already okay given that in the anime zamasu did say he did destroy all mortals already and only universe 7 earth mortals were left. So gokus action didnt really have any penalty anymore in plucking that omniking. The future omniking also stayed in the nothingness after he deleted future trunks universe 7 because he really had nothing left in all his universes or toys basically. Nothing to observe to learn from and grow. Was that omniking watching as zamasu kileed mortals in 12 universes then, my guess is yes. The only reason he went into universe 7 because goku had the button to call a omni king. Goku just thought it would be the same omniking who knew him. But he was different as goku didnt exist in that omniking growth or development timeline. And that is why the 2 omnikings are slightly different. And the grand priest knows this and the animators show us that difference with the hand raising bit/gag. Those of the omniversal level can tell, but we cant. Even goku couldnt tell when he met them both at the same time. Again just a continuation of my theory. | ||
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Shock710
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17Sphynx17
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Toppo knows Jiren is stronger than him and sees him as his best friend or a friend. What if their relationship is someone like Vegeta and Goku. Goku/Jiren is stronger than Vegeta/Toppo. check. Whis sees Goku and Vegeta as potential GoD replacements for Beerus but only Toppo for Universe 11. What if Jiren is some twisted "form" of Goku. It is acknowledged that Goku is the strongest mortal in U7 and Vegeta wants Goku around so that as goku grows, vegeta also can grow. Whis and Beerus and vegeta even didnt want goku to know he was the strongest as it would drain his drive to grow any further. What if Jiren found out he was the strongest in U11, did lose interest to interact with most of u11. He remains to acknowledge Toppo as Toppo is his Vegeta and Toppo meets his minimum strength requirement. And this lost of interest is what twisted jiren enough to make him ineligible for GoD. Take note, this twisting of Jiren when compared to Goku does not make him evil, just makes Jiren lose his "purity of form". That is why Whis was also against Goku finding out he was the strongest in u7 as goku could lose his "purity of form" and thus ineligible as candidate for u7 GoD replacement of Beerus. Again just another theory. | ||
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Disengaged
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Just because Jiren is the strongest in U11 as well as the Pride Troopers doesn't mean he has to be the leader. He could just not want to be the leader and/or doesn't have the qualities of a leader and is perfectly fine with following Toppo in fighting and defeating evil. Also, just because Toppo is a candidate for being the next God of Destruction doesn't mean Jiren wasn't/isn't a candidate. If I remember correctly, both Vegeta and Goku were offered the position. Goku is stronger but doesn't want the position. I just see it as the samething when it comes to Jiren and Toppo. | ||
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17Sphynx17
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On March 22 2017 09:50 Disengaged wrote: I think your just looking too much into it as people usually tend to do. Just because Jiren is the strongest in U11 as well as the Pride Troopers doesn't mean he has to be the leader. He could just not want to be the leader and/or doesn't have the qualities of a leader and is perfectly fine with following Toppo in fighting and defeating evil. Also, just because Toppo is a candidate for being the next God of Destruction doesn't mean Jiren wasn't/isn't a candidate. If I remember correctly, both Vegeta and Goku were offered the position. Goku is stronger but doesn't want the position. I just see it as the samething when it comes to Jiren and Toppo. Yup, just a theory I wanted to share. The way the translation went, it felt like Jiren was an unknown to U11 S Kai and GoD eventhough they are aware of the Pride Troopers. I dont mind that Toppo is the leader of the pride troopers eventhough Jiren is stronger. Kind of how Goku is pushing Gohan to be their leader/strategist for u7 10 man team eventhough Vegeta and Goku are stronger. But Jiren being unknown to S Kai and GoD of U11 could be a showing that they do not have complete Universal awareness of what they preside over. However, the angels that watch over them may have it. U6 Angel already told Champa that he lacks imagination of who they can use to participate in the tournament of power. U7 Whis seems to know more than what he lets on every time and he simply chooses to act when he needs to. In the Tournament of Power though, Whis has initially projected that he doesn't lose anything whether or not u7 wins or losses. So the picks goku makes, whis would not meddle with as he also wants to see how far their mortal "potential"/level can take them with having GoD power level in their team (Goku and Vegeta). | ||
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Darpa
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LegalLord
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Mohdoo
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On March 23 2017 01:24 Darpa wrote: Hey guys, just catching up on this thread.. Is there an english Dub yet? Dont mind the sub versions, but the change in voices always bothers me. haha wtf do you read this thread before even watching the show?!?! | ||
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BigFan
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On March 23 2017 01:43 Mohdoo wrote: wtf do you read this thread before even watching the show?!?! maybe he's not bothered by spoilers? A bit odd, sure but who knows. | ||
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LegalLord
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Mohdoo
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On March 23 2017 02:25 BigFan wrote: Darpa, yes, there is a dub but it's still has only several episode available. 3 last time I checked, probably 4-5 now. maybe he's not bothered by spoilers? A bit odd, sure but who knows. Being someone who doesn't even watch trailers for fear of spoilers, I struggle to understand this concept. | ||
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