EPTEven looking aside the trunks jump up in power, there is no way that krillian can ever be explained (par some dragon ball wish) to matchup to goku past ssj form 1, let alone something that forces him to go to blue.
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Shock710
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Even looking aside the trunks jump up in power, there is no way that krillian can ever be explained (par some dragon ball wish) to matchup to goku past ssj form 1, let alone something that forces him to go to blue. | ||
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LegalLord
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But yea, Krillin might push Goku to SSB just for kicks but he wouldn't be there as a serious opponent. | ||
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Disengaged
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Shock710
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On March 26 2017 13:23 Disengaged wrote: Thought I read in the preview that Goku said that its a fight at full power so I don't think Krillin is forcing anything. ur right, krillin is going to die lol | ||
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sashkata
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edit Almost forgot. Universe 7 has only 28 planets with mortal life on them? What? That can't be right. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On March 26 2017 15:04 sashkata wrote: I like how Goku has faith in Krillin. Also the Yamcha bits are hilarious. Can't wait to see his face when he realizes Master Roshi got an invite over him. edit Almost forgot. Universe 7 has only 28 planets with mortal life on them? What? That can't be right. frezia stuff maybe...but iirc frezia didnt destroy planets often rather just the people who opposed him on the planets | ||
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MoneyHypeMike
Canada305 Posts
And lol Yamcha thinking he's still relevant... | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Yamcha is relevant to baseball filler and not much else. But to be fair that was a really good filler episode so he's not worthless. | ||
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sashkata
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17Sphynx17
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What if the 28 planets that remain are just those that are taken note of by the kaioshin. I mean he is sort of lax about his job to let things play out on their own so what if those 28 remaining planets are just those he actually watches with his crystal ball. So it is what his knowledge is limited to. Now, what about who frieza actually sells the planets to. It wont make sense if its not part of the 28 that are of note. So why didnt kaioshin alert goku and z fighters about them as well? Well, what if like universe 6, the client is actually the leader if the galaxy patrol who 'maintain peace and order'. That is their cover and of course they recruit lots of people who dont know what the dark side of the organization is. So what they maintain peace and order is mainly over the planets and any of the 28 they work with. they actually bought from frieza and if needed a show of force that they fight against friezas weaker forces. Jako is none the wiser here in this scenario. He just thinks he is doing good. Plus jako is not a patrolman for earth sector and he just makes a detour to earth for the most part. So that would give this idea a bit of leeway maybe What then of the other planets sold to them not part of the 28 monitored by supreme kai. Well, they could be planets that are now mined for resources thus no longer able to support mortal life on its own even if left after being mined out. So no mortal life to be taken note of eventhough it could have developed it but was rooted out basically. Resources are then for universal trade between any of the 28 planets and that basically makes the boss of galaxy patrol a business man at the end of it all. They can also manipulate price. Again, not saying im right, just made a theory that could maybe work wih more info later. | ||
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Mohdoo
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Xarles
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On March 28 2017 00:50 Mohdoo wrote: No matter how you slice it, our kaioshin blows ass. Only 28 planets in the entire universe? What does he even do? Jesus Prolly why Zamasu came to U7. Less work for him in U7 than U10. So considering the stakes, is there anything that really prevents Whis from bringing Trunks back to this timeline? | ||
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RvB
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Mohdoo
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On March 28 2017 03:25 Xarles wrote: Prolly why Zamasu came to U7. Less work for him in U7 than U10. So considering the stakes, is there anything that really prevents Whis from bringing Trunks back to this timeline? A lack of incentive for one. Whis has no stake in our universe. Whis persists whether our universe is eliminated or not. | ||
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LegalLord
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Mohdoo
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On March 28 2017 04:53 RvB wrote: 28 planets makes no sense. It's a retcon by the writers. Frieza was supposed to be dealing in planets, his family was supposed to control 100s, the saiyans conquered multiple planets for him and Buu was a menace because he destroyed a whole load of them. This is just poorly written. It's as if they didn't even watch Dbz. What I don't understand is why even say 28. I mean seriously wtf. I have to admit that I am getting a little nervous we may have another GT on our hands. I'd say I have been fairly flexible regarding what I could broadly call "changes" to the lore. But 28 planets in the universe? Shit, we've encountered more beings from more planets in the otherworld martial arts tournament where Goku fights that green dude who likes to make tornados. NOW, let me bring up one possibility that would leave me screaming in anticipation, and forgive how predictable I must be at this point: Broly has been bringing hell down across the galaxy while all this other shit has been going on. Still a total non-threat compared to blue goku, but certainly decking dudes left and right. Now I would also like to bring up 2 things that I see making zero sense so far: 1. Trunks doesn't seem to ever train. Vegeta was disgusted seeing how docile Gohan was at one point and insisted that Gohan was a disgrace and needed to improve. And yet I am supposed to believe that Vegeta is totally cool with Trunks being anything besides a highly disciplined warrior? He just runs around doing jack shit when Saiyans are sent to planets for conquering as *babies*. 2. Dudes, hit up the fucking time chamber. Why are they not in the new time chamber? Everyone should be training there. The complete and total neglect of the time chamber is frustrating. | ||
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LegalLord
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Goten and Trunks are really not shining in DBS, that much is true. Like fuck, it's time to train, you can't just be children forever. | ||
BigFan
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On March 28 2017 05:17 Mohdoo wrote: What I don't understand is why even say 28. I mean seriously wtf. I have to admit that I am getting a little nervous we may have another GT on our hands. I'd say I have been fairly flexible regarding what I could broadly call "changes" to the lore. But 28 planets in the universe? Shit, we've encountered more beings from more planets in the otherworld martial arts tournament where Goku fights that green dude who likes to make tornados. NOW, let me bring up one possibility that would leave me screaming in anticipation, and forgive how predictable I must be at this point: Broly has been bringing hell down across the galaxy while all this other shit has been going on. Still a total non-threat compared to blue goku, but certainly decking dudes left and right. Now I would also like to bring up 2 things that I see making zero sense so far: 1. Trunks doesn't seem to ever train. Vegeta was disgusted seeing how docile Gohan was at one point and insisted that Gohan was a disgrace and needed to improve. And yet I am supposed to believe that Vegeta is totally cool with Trunks being anything besides a highly disciplined warrior? He just runs around doing jack shit when Saiyans are sent to planets for conquering as *babies*. 2. Dudes, hit up the fucking time chamber. Why are they not in the new time chamber? Everyone should be training there. The complete and total neglect of the time chamber is frustrating. 1) Only thing I can think off is that Vegeta is losing his touch. He's had a lot of development and the fact that he wanted to avoid participating due to his child's birth and wanting to support Bulma shows this. I'm sure he still cares about training but I don't think he'll enforce it on Trunks tbh. 2) yes, yes, yes! I keep thinking they'll go train there considering that Goku is on par with Toppo and needs to somehow beat the biggest threat yet who is supposed to be much stronger. Maybe they'll go once they get all the fighters decided on? That's me being optimistic though. | ||
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Darpa
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On March 23 2017 01:43 Mohdoo wrote: wtf do you read this thread before even watching the show?!?! Because i have already watched the subbed versions? was just asking about the dub... lol | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 28 2017 06:03 BigFan wrote: On the earlier topic of Krillin, no way in hell he can match Saiyan Blue. Like, no. Goku saying that Krillin would be alright, he's training again and has new tricks etc... no, just no! Krillin wasn't even relevant back after the Namek saga and couldn't hold a candle to SSJ and now, all of a sudden, he's going to match or get Goku into Saiyan Blue? BS! The show is hyping this up but much like a bullet grazing Goku for lack of training etc... it falls flat to anyone who gives it a quick thought. 1) Only thing I can think off is that Vegeta is losing his touch. He's had a lot of development and the fact that he wanted to avoid participating due to his child's birth and wanting to support Bulma shows this. I'm sure he still cares about training but I don't think he'll enforce it on Trunks tbh. 2) yes, yes, yes! I keep thinking they'll go train there considering that Goku is on par with Toppo and needs to somehow beat the biggest threat yet who is supposed to be much stronger. Maybe they'll go once they get all the fighters decided on? That's me being optimistic though. The only context where Krillin being remotely capable in a world of blue is if he was to join the saiyans for a year in the time chamber and he is completely wrecked every day the entire time. And even if that happened, by definition, Krillin would never be on par with the saiyans. It has already been shown in great detail that no race grows from training as rapidly as saiyans except for whatever the fuck frieza is. Frieza is still the only character besides Cell (which kind of doesn't count due to being part saiyan) which has shown the capability to advance as quickly as saiyans. Best case scenario for Krillin is he goes time chambering with saiyans and comes out a rock star, yet still way below the saiyans. It is important to keep in mind that they have already made it clear Goku and Vegeta are on a completely different level at this point, relative to ALL universes. Actually, that depends. Do we agree that it is likely GoD are similar in power across the various universes? The way things have been described, it sounded like there is a certain peak that GoDs hit and this was elaborated on a bit when they talk about how if Goku and Beerus punched each other too many times, the entire universe would collapse. And this point is why I am saying Goku and Vegeta are going to likely be taking on more than 1 opponent at a time in this tournament. There really isn't that far to go once you're at a point that your punches being canceled out be an equal punch so and so many times destroys a universe. I'm not convinced Goku needs all that much training to take on Jiren. There was no sign of Goku slowing down against Toppo. And they've been so careful to always say "average power". I'm just totally unconvinced that the other universes are THAT far ahead of Goku and Vegeta. If we take Beerus to be a good normalizing factor for comparing the universes, it is somewhat impossible for Jiren to be way beyond Goku. | ||
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