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Well i am just saying that the impact is kinda lacking and at that point maybe the powerup wouldn't need to be big to begin with. Reasonable "small" steps might actually be more interesting, especially because you also don't write yourself as easily in a corner that way.
Also sure it would be actually pretty cool if the increased energy would have negative impacts on his surroundings, etc. Dealing with such ideas would surely improve the depth, but i understand that it's probably the wrong anime to do that 
That's all more or less nitpicky though, but let's be real does anyone really care about the ssj god transformation besides it looking different? There is no impact to it, it's boring. SSJ was amazing in dbz (even though you certainly can argue that the scaling of "power levels" began to be stupid at that point), even ssj2 to some extent (moreso because it actually wasn't goku but his son). I am sure we will get new forms in super as well, it will look shiny but i doubt that there will be any gravitas to it. /end rant i guess
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On March 16 2017 12:55 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2017 04:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:
People in dragonball are as strong as they need to be at any given moment, there is hardly any consistency to it Idk if you have watched it recently, but rewatch Dragonball or DBZ and tell me when you are confused on how much stronger x is than y. There is very little confusion about who's stronger at which time. Then look at Super and you have no idea who's stronger at which times. For example, during the black arc Vegeta should have been way stronger than Goku. Goku got his ass kicked by Black in an episode or 2 previously and did not train when going back (he practiced the containment wave). Vegeta kicked blacks ass. Forward along to fused Zamasu and somehow, Goku by himself was able to push back fused Zamasu's beam. This is just one example, the power of each character changes with no reason. DBZ had reasons when a character would be stronger than another.
Trunks was the biggest wtf theres no way he should have even been able to touch zamasu
Slightly unrelated but the ssj transformation where u bulk up in power but those muscles hinder ur movement was great when trunks thought his father was being stupid but then it turns out vegeta had realised this fault and thus stayed away from it vs cell
That was awesome
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On March 16 2017 14:38 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2017 12:55 blade55555 wrote:On March 15 2017 04:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:
People in dragonball are as strong as they need to be at any given moment, there is hardly any consistency to it Idk if you have watched it recently, but rewatch Dragonball or DBZ and tell me when you are confused on how much stronger x is than y. There is very little confusion about who's stronger at which time. Then look at Super and you have no idea who's stronger at which times. For example, during the black arc Vegeta should have been way stronger than Goku. Goku got his ass kicked by Black in an episode or 2 previously and did not train when going back (he practiced the containment wave). Vegeta kicked blacks ass. Forward along to fused Zamasu and somehow, Goku by himself was able to push back fused Zamasu's beam. This is just one example, the power of each character changes with no reason. DBZ had reasons when a character would be stronger than another. Trunks was the biggest wtf theres no way he should have even been able to touch zamasu Slightly unrelated but the ssj transformation where u bulk up in power but those muscles hinder ur movement was great when trunks thought his father was being stupid but then it turns out vegeta had realised this fault and thus stayed away from it vs cell That was awesome
Trunks in the future, being half saiyan and half human, had the same potential as Gohan. Goten can probably achieve it too. But essentially they can tap into a power that far surpasses the pure blooded Saiyans. It was evident when Gohan became Mystic. Why not give that to Goku or Vegeta?
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On March 16 2017 16:23 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2017 14:38 Shock710 wrote:On March 16 2017 12:55 blade55555 wrote:On March 15 2017 04:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:
People in dragonball are as strong as they need to be at any given moment, there is hardly any consistency to it Idk if you have watched it recently, but rewatch Dragonball or DBZ and tell me when you are confused on how much stronger x is than y. There is very little confusion about who's stronger at which time. Then look at Super and you have no idea who's stronger at which times. For example, during the black arc Vegeta should have been way stronger than Goku. Goku got his ass kicked by Black in an episode or 2 previously and did not train when going back (he practiced the containment wave). Vegeta kicked blacks ass. Forward along to fused Zamasu and somehow, Goku by himself was able to push back fused Zamasu's beam. This is just one example, the power of each character changes with no reason. DBZ had reasons when a character would be stronger than another. Trunks was the biggest wtf theres no way he should have even been able to touch zamasu Slightly unrelated but the ssj transformation where u bulk up in power but those muscles hinder ur movement was great when trunks thought his father was being stupid but then it turns out vegeta had realised this fault and thus stayed away from it vs cell That was awesome Trunks in the future, being half saiyan and half human, had the same potential as Gohan. Goten can probably achieve it too. But essentially they can tap into a power that far surpasses the pure blooded Saiyans. It was evident when Gohan became Mystic. Why not give that to Goku or Vegeta?
what i meant was trunks fought against ssjblue and was so overmatched he almost gave up on the fight, later on we find that black and zamasu are slightly above ssjblue and yet in a short amount of time (with no hyperbolic time chamber like goku and gohan did for the cell games or mystic power through the elder kai) trunks is able to close the gap considerably which makes no sense. outside of fanservice.
Even gohan's hidden power was teased all the back when goku met raditz, with his scouter telling him "how could this little kid have so much power" ~or something along those lines.
The kids, gohan, goku and vegeta have had constant challenges arising from cell to the tournament preparation, into buu. So they've had hard opponents and trained and fought like their lives depended on it.
While aside from trunks lvling up so to speak by travelling into the past of the cell saga and then going back to obliterate the androids and cell hes done nothing training wise (compared to everyone in the buu saga) with no guidance since everyone else is dead.
Hes not even battlesmart like vegeta who worked out the bulky muscle ssj vs cell and with whis labbeling vegeta as the "better" fighter compared to goku.
Imo the solo reason that power creeps are so confusing in super are because of future trunks....
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I don't think that's the sole reason. Gohan got stomped by Freeza in his first form after he came back to earth. Only just now did he redeem himself a bit. The writers for the anime just aren't very consistent at the moment.
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On March 16 2017 19:55 RvB wrote:
I don't think that's the sole reason. Gohan got stomped by Freeza in his first form after he came back to earth. Only just now did he redeem himself a bit. The writers for the anime just aren't very consistent at the moment.
Didnt they explain that with Freiza saying he trained his ass off for the first time in his life, and goku acknowledging that freiza is much stronger than the last time they met. While gohan hasnt fought anyone in years, forgoing all training to study/work/be a parent.
Not im upset that trunks is strong, but rather how there was no explaination to why he got so strong.
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On March 16 2017 20:18 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2017 19:55 RvB wrote:
I don't think that's the sole reason. Gohan got stomped by Freeza in his first form after he came back to earth. Only just now did he redeem himself a bit. The writers for the anime just aren't very consistent at the moment. Didnt they explain that with Freiza saying he trained his ass off for the first time in his life, and goku acknowledging that freiza is much stronger than the last time they met. While gohan hasnt fought anyone in years, forgoing all training to study/work/be a parent. Not im upset that trunks is strong, but rather how there was no explaination to why he got so strong.
well, they did say that Trunks still had to fight Babidi and his henchman (no Buu though) but I agree, Trunks got stronger from the last time we saw him but that power-up, while really interesting to watch, came out of the blue! Trunks holding his own against Zamasu and Black was ridiculous regardless if you are a fan of him or not (I love future Trunks, so badass lol).
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Hasn't trunks been on the run after having lots of mini-fights with black? Saiyan repeatedly getting its ass kicked is gonna sky rocket. Remember Vegeta vs Zarbon?
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The manga will have a chance to perform the necessary retcon for this series and maybe it will be good afterwards. My current theory is simply that Trunks had a lot of experience with god ki and started to get used to it, while being a pretty strong fighter before - so the training with Vegeta helped unlock god ki power.
Remember, Black was weaker before, as he still had to learn how to unlock the power of his new body.
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On March 17 2017 01:11 Mohdoo wrote:
Hasn't trunks been on the run after having lots of mini-fights with black? Saiyan repeatedly getting its ass kicked is gonna sky rocket. Remember Vegeta vs Zarbon?
Yeah but you don't go from getting your ass kicked by a SSJ3 Goku to stronger than SSB. That's an insane powerup to get by anger. To give perspective, Beerus barely had to try and could 1 tap a SSJ3 Goku.
I would have rather they had an episode in the time chamber and Vegeta trains Trunks in there, that would have made his power up make so much more sense.
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The mitigating factor here is that Trunks is clearly very strong as-is and while he couldn't quite keep up with Goku in SSJ3, he put up a reasonably good fight and was clearly at least as strong as the protagonists in the Buu saga. I would say he's reached the threshold for being strong enough to tap into god powers the way Goku did in BoG.
His form was a smidge less refined than that of SSB but it did have power. Surely there could be more to it but it's not that bad. And it gets lots of mitigating cool points. The people who wrote the ending should be shot though - and they had better make it right when they Kai this series.
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I think what people are trying to figure out is how did he tap into God Ki? He hasn't been around it that long. Wouldn't Black need to be in SSJR and in constant contact for Trunks to leech it? Goku and Vegeta had a ton of training to reach that level. Trunks just picked it up on the fly? I'm throwing the flag on that one.
As for the ending, I agree. They should perform seppuku. That was horrendous. I'm also over Goku and his idiotic nature. It's run his course. This is why the dubs are better for DBS. They change the dialog enough to not make Goku seem like an idiot (at least I hope they will. I will seriously drop this if they don't when I pick up the dub around the 7 vs 9 tournament.)
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On March 17 2017 11:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I think what people are trying to figure out is how did he tap into God Ki? He hasn't been around it that long. Wouldn't Black need to be in SSJR and in constant contact for Trunks to leech it? Goku and Vegeta had a ton of training to reach that level. Trunks just picked it up on the fly? I'm throwing the flag on that one.
As for the ending, I agree. They should perform seppuku. That was horrendous. I'm also over Goku and his idiotic nature. It's run his course. This is why the dubs are better for DBS. They change the dialog enough to not make Goku seem like an idiot (at least I hope they will. I will seriously drop this if they don't when I pick up the dub around the 7 vs 9 tournament.)
Yeah... I tried to be lenient towards Goku's DBS personality, but then I decided to rewatch some DBZ eps and was astonished at the level of personality change. It'd make a lot more sense if someone else was inhabiting DBS Goku's body like Black Goku.
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One thing I find interesting about DBS is that it is more of a continuation of the original dragon ball series than it is a continuation of DBZ. While the timeline may start from the end of DBZ, the way characters interact and the general nature of a lot of the stories feel more like DB than DBZ. Goku also feels a lot more like DB goku than DBZ goku. The general mood of DBS just isn't DBZ. It's DB.
But then there are things like Goku having this whole fucking illuminati thing going where he pays for his own assassination. And Goku mastering blue kaioken. It feels more like he is continuing to apply himself in ways that are meaningful while also aging to the point of becoming a lot more relaxed and casual.
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On March 18 2017 00:36 Mohdoo wrote:
One thing I find interesting about DBS is that it is more of a continuation of the original dragon ball series than it is a continuation of DBZ. While the timeline may start from the end of DBZ, the way characters interact and the general nature of a lot of the stories feel more like DB than DBZ. Goku also feels a lot more like DB goku than DBZ goku. The general mood of DBS just isn't DBZ. It's DB.
But then there are things like Goku having this whole fucking illuminati thing going where he pays for his own assassination. And Goku mastering blue kaioken. It feels more like he is continuing to apply himself in ways that are meaningful while also aging to the point of becoming a lot more relaxed and casual.
Exactly why it doesn't make sense! Goku isn't his DB self anymore, sure they can keep some comedy but Goku at the end of DBZ had a better overall mindset (adult wise) than he does in Super. Like, this tourney arc, he still can't see how he condemned a lot of other people to their death all because of his stupid desire to get stronger. There's no more "I want to protect my friends", it's now "I want to get stronger for myself".
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On March 18 2017 00:53 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 00:36 Mohdoo wrote:
One thing I find interesting about DBS is that it is more of a continuation of the original dragon ball series than it is a continuation of DBZ. While the timeline may start from the end of DBZ, the way characters interact and the general nature of a lot of the stories feel more like DB than DBZ. Goku also feels a lot more like DB goku than DBZ goku. The general mood of DBS just isn't DBZ. It's DB.
But then there are things like Goku having this whole fucking illuminati thing going where he pays for his own assassination. And Goku mastering blue kaioken. It feels more like he is continuing to apply himself in ways that are meaningful while also aging to the point of becoming a lot more relaxed and casual. Exactly why it doesn't make sense! Goku isn't his DB self anymore, sure they can keep some comedy but Goku at the end of DBZ had a better overall mindset (adult wise) than he does in Super. Like, this tourney arc, he still can't see how he condemned a lot of other people to their death all because of his stupid desire to get stronger. There's no more "I want to protect my friends", it's now "I want to get stronger for myself".
He's shown this selfishness many times in the past and has actively allowed opponents to become more powerful for the sake of fighting someone stronger. As an example, Buu. Goku has shown willingness to not only risk his own life, but the lives of others for the sake of fighting someone more powerful.
Goku also asked Krillin not to kill Vegeta for the sake of fighting him again, not spare his life. The way I have interpreted Goku's perspective on the whole erasure thing is that he has absolutely no choice anyway.
Similar to my point regarding the "evil" nature of Whis' dad, the importance of strength and growth can not be understated for both Saiyans and gods. Universe 7 appears to be an exception rather than the norm, relative to the multiverse as a whole. I think the entire overarching philosophy of the importance of life and how it relates to the importance of strength is very specific to universe 7 and is not shared on a larger scale.
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Speaking of DBZ vs DB, which of the two do you folk like more? I know that among the "hardcore fanbase" DB is more well-liked but also that DBZ is the larger success. And frankly though I think that DB is the one that's "supposed" to be more deep and lovable, it was severely diminished by a proliferation of stupid sex jokes, redundant plot points, and general staleness. I find it difficult to bring myself to rewatch DB but DBZ is always a fine choice for sinking away a week or two of utter boredom.
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On March 18 2017 00:36 Mohdoo wrote:
But then there are things like Goku having this whole fucking illuminati thing going where he pays for his own assassination..
That was filler.
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Anyone read the manga? It's going full crazy lately.
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On March 18 2017 01:17 LegalLord wrote:
Speaking of DBZ vs DB, which of the two do you folk like more? I know that among the "hardcore fanbase" DB is more well-liked but also that DBZ is the larger success. And frankly though I think that DB is the one that's "supposed" to be more deep and lovable, it was severely diminished by a proliferation of stupid sex jokes, redundant plot points, and general staleness. I find it difficult to bring myself to rewatch DB but DBZ is always a fine choice for sinking away a week or two of utter boredom.
Not sure, I like both quite a bit. However, what I really liked in DB was the importance of techniques, and I also liked the level of involvement from the rest of the cast and how they grew as martial artists and as people.
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