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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46450 Posts
On December 03 2017 12:07 Cricketer12 wrote: + Show Spoiler + well i'm expecting freeza's plan is to have goku eliminate jiren in UI form, then golden can take out the fatigued goku, making him essentially the strongest as I'm sure he is absolutely confident he can beat Vegeta + Show Spoiler + It would be amazing if UI Vegeta defeated a backstabbing Frieza. Think of how long Vegeta has wanted that revenge O.O | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
Vegeta basically losing all the sayians again is also a good reason for him to go into attack ultra instinct. Before this ep i was wondering if they would throw a curve ball and give ultra instinct to freeza with him being a prodigy and constantly observing goku in UI form then vegeta gets something different. It was a overall decent ep, kinda wish gohan and picolo's plan wasnt just defend me till i charge up the special beam cannon... | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 03 2017 11:50 Cricketer12 wrote: That was the best episode in awhile, special beam cannon, namekian fusion, u2 AND u6 gone, father son kamehameha, AND we finally getting the invis fighters next episode + Show Spoiler + also vegeta doesn't ring out, toriyama tweeted he gets a new form in January + Show Spoiler + Do you by chance of a link or anything towards that tweet? Seems like a huge spoiler and something that hasn't shown up yet in my usual future spoiler threads I see  . | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On December 03 2017 13:35 Zooper31 wrote: Best episode since we first saw Goku go UI and his fight with Kefla once he finally got UI again. The farewell from both universes actually got me in the feels a little. Really wanted Champa to say something to Beerus gdi! Yeah, that farewell moment was a little unexpectedly poignant. Just admit you have feelings other than snark, Champa! | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 04 2017 09:16 NewSunshine wrote: Yeah, that farewell moment was a little unexpectedly poignant. Just admit you have feelings other than snark, Champa! I think it was the most real and "them" thing he could have said/done. I cried lmao. This episode was insane. Very good fights and also just so many feels. Man. I was not ready for that. I need a drink. Edit: here's how I think Vegeta gets attack UI: The suit guy uses some thing that makes him take no damage, so Vegeta goes blue. Still not enough and Vegeta gets more and more frustrated and finally gets super mad and lets out his u6 rage on going UI and attacks him in this insane barrage until he straight up punches him off the stage. I could also see a UI ki attack being like an extremely condensed beam, similar to what Frieza uses. But it feels more likely Vegeta would just have an insane beam. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On December 04 2017 12:21 Mohdoo wrote: I think it was the most real and "them" thing he could have said/done. I cried lmao. This episode was insane. Very good fights and also just so many feels. Man. I was not ready for that. I need a drink. Edit: here's how I think Vegeta gets attack UI: The suit guy uses some thing that makes him take no damage, so Vegeta goes blue. Still not enough and Vegeta gets more and more frustrated and finally gets super mad and lets out his u6 rage on going UI and attacks him in this insane barrage until he straight up punches him off the stage. I could also see a UI ki attack being like an extremely condensed beam, similar to what Frieza uses. But it feels more likely Vegeta would just have an insane beam. Just made me think I want the "tournament" to "end' with someone going nuts and accidentally erasing zen-oh and everyone standing around like "uhhh....." | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 04 2017 14:34 GreenHorizons wrote: Just made me think I want the "tournament" to "end' with someone going nuts and accidentally erasing zen-oh and everyone standing around like "uhhh....." I am forgetting when it happened, but I remember there being a time when Zenoh would have taken damage from some event and he was clearly just straight up invincible. I don't think he can be harmed in any way. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On December 05 2017 01:17 Mohdoo wrote: I am forgetting when it happened, but I remember there being a time when Zenoh would have taken damage from some event and he was clearly just straight up invincible. I don't think he can be harmed in any way. Well he did destroyed a reality and looked pretty ok with it. It's pretty vague what he is exactly espcially because he seems to have no idea how the reality he is suppose to have created work. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 05 2017 01:42 Nakajin wrote: Well he did destroyed a reality and looked pretty ok with it. It's pretty vague what he is exactly espcially because he seems to have no idea how the reality he is suppose to have created work. For some reason I thought what I am thinking of happened early in the tournament of power arc. Hmmm... | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On December 05 2017 05:36 NewSunshine wrote: I'm just gonna say, I don't think Vegeta obtains Ultra Instinct in this tournament. While he's shown that, even if he always lags behind a little bit, he can do anything Goku can, there's 13 minutes left, believe it or not, and from their early talk with Whis, Goku was clearly closer to fighting instinctively, he was always going to achieve UI first. Vegeta likely has a small ways to go yet, and will probably attain it, just not in time to beat Jiren. That's my opinion. I think Vegeta could obtains the offensive UI with is rage and pride, a bit like when he hit Berus that time he slapped Bulma, maybe he can attack without having to think about it. Also time is relative in DB  Gohan went from losing to Krillin to beating goku in like 10 hours or something. So it's mostly just the number of episode that is important. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 05 2017 05:36 NewSunshine wrote: I'm just gonna say, I don't think Vegeta obtains Ultra Instinct in this tournament. While he's shown that, even if he always lags behind a little bit, he can do anything Goku can, there's 13 minutes left, believe it or not, and from their early talk with Whis, Goku was clearly closer to fighting instinctively, he was always going to achieve UI first. Vegeta likely has a small ways to go yet, and will probably attain it, just not in time to beat Jiren. That's my opinion. Time to go get angry on some remote planet, I guess. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:51 Mohdoo wrote: Time to go get angry on some remote planet, I guess. Picking a fight with a cosmic storm never doesn't sound badass. Especially if doing so awakens something called Ultra Instinct. Also, as for offensive/defensive UI, while I think that could be a good way to meaningfully differentiate Goku and Vegeta, it wouldn't jive with what we've already heard on the subject. The reason Goku hasn't mastered it, the reason even Beerus hasn't mastered it, is because using UI for attack is fundamentally so much harder than it is to use on defense. In and of itself, I like this as a development, because it establishes a limitation on this seemingly god-like mode, and gives some room for progression. But it leaves a conflict where Vegeta is concerned. I know DBS has no problems with gaping plot holes and power level conflicts, but if Vegeta were to, for some reason, master offensive UI before anything else, this would pretty much undermine all the exposition on UI we've gotten thus far. And as a plot point goes, UI is pretty much the best thing we've gotten since GoD's and alternate universes were introduced. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On December 05 2017 08:21 NewSunshine wrote: Picking a fight with a cosmic storm never doesn't sound badass. Especially if doing so awakens something called Ultra Instinct. Also, as for offensive/defensive UI, while I think that could be a good way to meaningfully differentiate Goku and Vegeta, it wouldn't jive with what we've already heard on the subject. The reason Goku hasn't mastered it, the reason even Beerus hasn't mastered it, is because using UI for attack is fundamentally so much harder than it is to use on defense. In and of itself, I like this as a development, because it establishes a limitation on this seemingly god-like mode, and gives some room for progression. But it leaves a conflict where Vegeta is concerned. I know DBS has no problems with gaping plot holes and power level conflicts, but if Vegeta were to, for some reason, master offensive UI before anything else, this would pretty much undermine all the exposition on UI we've gotten thus far. And as a plot point goes, UI is pretty much the best thing we've gotten since GoD's and alternate universes were introduced. Well if someone could master a technique that requires you to attack without thinking I'd say Vegeta's the best contender. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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TheEmulator
28103 Posts
On another note Whis and Beerus are easily my favorite additions to the cast. Will be interesting to see how Whis develops once I catch up to the current arc | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10953 Posts
On December 05 2017 10:03 Dark_Chill wrote: Did they explain why moving without thinking can't be done with Blue, or why it gives you a new form, or why it seemingly makes you stronger? I just go with: Normal Super Sayan is wasting energy because it generates excess power that can't be used. Blue uses KI control to stop "leaking" power and using it, therefore ist stronger than ss, but it still puts a strain on the user and requires much concentration. UI means the KI control is perfect and they no longer have to think/concentrate on controlling their form/power and therefore can focus everything on the actual fighting. Or some mumbojumbo like this, for sure a better explanation than "moving before thinking/reacting"... | ||
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