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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
December 03 2014 06:16 GMT
#1341
On December 02 2014 04:17 Foblos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 03:57 Plansix wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:53 Foblos wrote:
Can I offer nerd science? The lightsabre has a power up period when you turn it on (the blade slides out, isn't instant), but at some point the sabre has to stabilize the length and maintain the energy level. The guard does kind of look like exhaust, so maybe it's a way of overclocking the lightsabre to add defense as well as offense. Seems legit?

I would be willing to buy that it is an old lightsaber from an era where they were much crappier, or a home made one that didn't work until he put the exhaust in.


My suggestion was more of an intentional modern iteration, but archaic technology could work as well. It makes sense given that Sith succession is the killing of the master by the pupil, and they do seem to be painting this one as a true Sith master, maybe even more powerful (in sheer force) than Palpatine. Maybe the weapon is inheritance passed down through the centuries as well.


I disagree, I think the guy in the forest is probably a young, self-taught Sith who had to figure out how to make his own lightsaber. No one told him a crossguard was a stupid idea because he has no master since Vader and Palpy are dead.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 03 2014 06:24 GMT
#1342
On December 03 2014 15:16 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 04:17 Foblos wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:57 Plansix wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:53 Foblos wrote:
Can I offer nerd science? The lightsabre has a power up period when you turn it on (the blade slides out, isn't instant), but at some point the sabre has to stabilize the length and maintain the energy level. The guard does kind of look like exhaust, so maybe it's a way of overclocking the lightsabre to add defense as well as offense. Seems legit?

I would be willing to buy that it is an old lightsaber from an era where they were much crappier, or a home made one that didn't work until he put the exhaust in.


My suggestion was more of an intentional modern iteration, but archaic technology could work as well. It makes sense given that Sith succession is the killing of the master by the pupil, and they do seem to be painting this one as a true Sith master, maybe even more powerful (in sheer force) than Palpatine. Maybe the weapon is inheritance passed down through the centuries as well.


I disagree, I think the guy in the forest is probably a young, self-taught Sith who had to figure out how to make his own lightsaber. No one told him a crossguard was a stupid idea because he has no master since Vader and Palpy are dead.

I don't know... if I had to build a gun using only instructions left behind (let's say everyone who knew how to operate a gun is dead at this point), there's no scenario where I'd install a pair of knives pointing towards me from the stock.

Because that's basically what this is.
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Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1963 Posts
December 03 2014 06:27 GMT
#1343
Eh? It'd be more like attaching a shield to your gun.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
December 03 2014 11:06 GMT
#1344
On December 03 2014 15:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2014 15:16 Cheren wrote:
On December 02 2014 04:17 Foblos wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:57 Plansix wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:53 Foblos wrote:
Can I offer nerd science? The lightsabre has a power up period when you turn it on (the blade slides out, isn't instant), but at some point the sabre has to stabilize the length and maintain the energy level. The guard does kind of look like exhaust, so maybe it's a way of overclocking the lightsabre to add defense as well as offense. Seems legit?

I would be willing to buy that it is an old lightsaber from an era where they were much crappier, or a home made one that didn't work until he put the exhaust in.


My suggestion was more of an intentional modern iteration, but archaic technology could work as well. It makes sense given that Sith succession is the killing of the master by the pupil, and they do seem to be painting this one as a true Sith master, maybe even more powerful (in sheer force) than Palpatine. Maybe the weapon is inheritance passed down through the centuries as well.


I disagree, I think the guy in the forest is probably a young, self-taught Sith who had to figure out how to make his own lightsaber. No one told him a crossguard was a stupid idea because he has no master since Vader and Palpy are dead.

I don't know... if I had to build a gun using only instructions left behind (let's say everyone who knew how to operate a gun is dead at this point), there's no scenario where I'd install a pair of knives pointing towards me from the stock.

Because that's basically what this is.


There are sith horocruxes or whatevr you may call them all around the galaxy i read once, many a sith have been taught by these and also taught how to make lightsabers from these. Just a though.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
December 03 2014 11:51 GMT
#1345
On December 03 2014 13:24 el_dawg wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

God, his parody is so epic.

On December 01 2014 05:13 zoLo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Dat lightsaber :D
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
December 03 2014 14:15 GMT
#1346
On December 03 2014 20:06 unkkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2014 15:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On December 03 2014 15:16 Cheren wrote:
On December 02 2014 04:17 Foblos wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:57 Plansix wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:53 Foblos wrote:
Can I offer nerd science? The lightsabre has a power up period when you turn it on (the blade slides out, isn't instant), but at some point the sabre has to stabilize the length and maintain the energy level. The guard does kind of look like exhaust, so maybe it's a way of overclocking the lightsabre to add defense as well as offense. Seems legit?

I would be willing to buy that it is an old lightsaber from an era where they were much crappier, or a home made one that didn't work until he put the exhaust in.


My suggestion was more of an intentional modern iteration, but archaic technology could work as well. It makes sense given that Sith succession is the killing of the master by the pupil, and they do seem to be painting this one as a true Sith master, maybe even more powerful (in sheer force) than Palpatine. Maybe the weapon is inheritance passed down through the centuries as well.


I disagree, I think the guy in the forest is probably a young, self-taught Sith who had to figure out how to make his own lightsaber. No one told him a crossguard was a stupid idea because he has no master since Vader and Palpy are dead.

I don't know... if I had to build a gun using only instructions left behind (let's say everyone who knew how to operate a gun is dead at this point), there's no scenario where I'd install a pair of knives pointing towards me from the stock.

Because that's basically what this is.


There are sith horocruxes or whatevr you may call them all around the galaxy i read once, many a sith have been taught by these and also taught how to make lightsabers from these. Just a though.


There are Horcruxes? So Emperor Palpatine isn't actually dead yet, because we have to go kill the horcruxes. I bet Luke Skywalker is the last horcrux.
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Foblos
Profile Joined September 2011
United States426 Posts
December 03 2014 17:38 GMT
#1347
On December 03 2014 20:06 unkkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2014 15:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On December 03 2014 15:16 Cheren wrote:
On December 02 2014 04:17 Foblos wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:57 Plansix wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:53 Foblos wrote:
Can I offer nerd science? The lightsabre has a power up period when you turn it on (the blade slides out, isn't instant), but at some point the sabre has to stabilize the length and maintain the energy level. The guard does kind of look like exhaust, so maybe it's a way of overclocking the lightsabre to add defense as well as offense. Seems legit?

I would be willing to buy that it is an old lightsaber from an era where they were much crappier, or a home made one that didn't work until he put the exhaust in.


My suggestion was more of an intentional modern iteration, but archaic technology could work as well. It makes sense given that Sith succession is the killing of the master by the pupil, and they do seem to be painting this one as a true Sith master, maybe even more powerful (in sheer force) than Palpatine. Maybe the weapon is inheritance passed down through the centuries as well.


I disagree, I think the guy in the forest is probably a young, self-taught Sith who had to figure out how to make his own lightsaber. No one told him a crossguard was a stupid idea because he has no master since Vader and Palpy are dead.

I don't know... if I had to build a gun using only instructions left behind (let's say everyone who knew how to operate a gun is dead at this point), there's no scenario where I'd install a pair of knives pointing towards me from the stock.

Because that's basically what this is.


There are sith horocruxes or whatevr you may call them all around the galaxy i read once, many a sith have been taught by these and also taught how to make lightsabers from these. Just a though.


SWTOR did introduce holocubes or whatever as common lore items. They have a lot of data on a lot of old technologies and ancient force info etc so maybe you're not too far off.
But at what cost ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
December 03 2014 19:06 GMT
#1348
Holocrons.

And they way predate SWTOR. Old EU stuff that provided a way for old lore to show up in new lore. Originally used as a way to pass on Jedi/Sith teachings, iirc.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8602 Posts
December 03 2014 22:06 GMT
#1349
On December 04 2014 02:38 Foblos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2014 20:06 unkkz wrote:
On December 03 2014 15:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On December 03 2014 15:16 Cheren wrote:
On December 02 2014 04:17 Foblos wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:57 Plansix wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:53 Foblos wrote:
Can I offer nerd science? The lightsabre has a power up period when you turn it on (the blade slides out, isn't instant), but at some point the sabre has to stabilize the length and maintain the energy level. The guard does kind of look like exhaust, so maybe it's a way of overclocking the lightsabre to add defense as well as offense. Seems legit?

I would be willing to buy that it is an old lightsaber from an era where they were much crappier, or a home made one that didn't work until he put the exhaust in.


My suggestion was more of an intentional modern iteration, but archaic technology could work as well. It makes sense given that Sith succession is the killing of the master by the pupil, and they do seem to be painting this one as a true Sith master, maybe even more powerful (in sheer force) than Palpatine. Maybe the weapon is inheritance passed down through the centuries as well.


I disagree, I think the guy in the forest is probably a young, self-taught Sith who had to figure out how to make his own lightsaber. No one told him a crossguard was a stupid idea because he has no master since Vader and Palpy are dead.

I don't know... if I had to build a gun using only instructions left behind (let's say everyone who knew how to operate a gun is dead at this point), there's no scenario where I'd install a pair of knives pointing towards me from the stock.

Because that's basically what this is.


There are sith horocruxes or whatevr you may call them all around the galaxy i read once, many a sith have been taught by these and also taught how to make lightsabers from these. Just a though.


SWTOR did introduce holocubes or whatever as common lore items. They have a lot of data on a lot of old technologies and ancient force info etc so maybe you're not too far off.


Wait, didn't they say SWTOR wasn't canon?
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
December 03 2014 22:07 GMT
#1350
On December 03 2014 05:47 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 05:13 zoLo wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng&feature=youtu.be

HAHAHAHAHAHA

this is so fucking good
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
December 03 2014 22:38 GMT
#1351
On December 04 2014 07:06 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2014 02:38 Foblos wrote:
On December 03 2014 20:06 unkkz wrote:
On December 03 2014 15:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On December 03 2014 15:16 Cheren wrote:
On December 02 2014 04:17 Foblos wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:57 Plansix wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:53 Foblos wrote:
Can I offer nerd science? The lightsabre has a power up period when you turn it on (the blade slides out, isn't instant), but at some point the sabre has to stabilize the length and maintain the energy level. The guard does kind of look like exhaust, so maybe it's a way of overclocking the lightsabre to add defense as well as offense. Seems legit?

I would be willing to buy that it is an old lightsaber from an era where they were much crappier, or a home made one that didn't work until he put the exhaust in.


My suggestion was more of an intentional modern iteration, but archaic technology could work as well. It makes sense given that Sith succession is the killing of the master by the pupil, and they do seem to be painting this one as a true Sith master, maybe even more powerful (in sheer force) than Palpatine. Maybe the weapon is inheritance passed down through the centuries as well.


I disagree, I think the guy in the forest is probably a young, self-taught Sith who had to figure out how to make his own lightsaber. No one told him a crossguard was a stupid idea because he has no master since Vader and Palpy are dead.

I don't know... if I had to build a gun using only instructions left behind (let's say everyone who knew how to operate a gun is dead at this point), there's no scenario where I'd install a pair of knives pointing towards me from the stock.

Because that's basically what this is.


There are sith horocruxes or whatevr you may call them all around the galaxy i read once, many a sith have been taught by these and also taught how to make lightsabers from these. Just a though.


SWTOR did introduce holocubes or whatever as common lore items. They have a lot of data on a lot of old technologies and ancient force info etc so maybe you're not too far off.


Wait, didn't they say SWTOR wasn't canon?


If i remember correctly only episodes 1 to 6 matter for the movies. Which is bad in my opinion because i like the "cold warish" theme of the old republic time periode much more.

I know this was asked recently for sure and its a bit off topic but there is something that bothered me after revenge of the sith: Why didnt Obi-Wan and Yoda go for a second run on fighting Palpatine?
Like the situation was Obi Wan won and Yoda lost just barely so why not get some days of rest and fight the old guy together. Or wait some months, find some surviveing jedis and gang up on Vader.
Is there some reason or just bad writing with "na fuck it lets retire these newborn will do it in 20 years after the bad guys murdered billions"?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-03 23:13:19
December 03 2014 23:12 GMT
#1352
It's George Lucas so it's probably bad writing. Anyways, I hope most of the Extended Universe if not all of it is declared void, and not canon. Most of the stuff in the extended universe, that isn't in the movies and possibly the cartoon series that looks like dexters lab, and some of the games are mostly crap.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17450 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-04 00:14:23
December 04 2014 00:12 GMT
#1353
On December 04 2014 07:38 Micro_Jackson wrote:
If i remember correctly only episodes 1 to 6 matter for the movies. Which is bad in my opinion because i like the "cold warish" theme of the old republic time periode much more.

I know this was asked recently for sure and its a bit off topic but there is something that bothered me after revenge of the sith: Why didnt Obi-Wan and Yoda go for a second run on fighting Palpatine?
Like the situation was Obi Wan won and Yoda lost just barely so why not get some days of rest and fight the old guy together. Or wait some months, find some surviveing jedis and gang up on Vader.
Is there some reason or just bad writing with "na fuck it lets retire these newborn will do it in 20 years after the bad guys murdered billions"?


Palpatine was able to consolidate his power, clones were hunting the Jedi who were outlawed etc. They got to fight Palpatine because they were "already at the scene" as the plot unraveled and could get near him. After escaping they most likely had to flee the planet or go on a lam somewhere. With a couple of days rest they would have to traverse Coruscant with all the patrols and kill-teams in there (and probably angry populace as we can assume that Palpatine swayed their opinion on the Jedi too), storm the senate (palace?) and then fight Palpatine, if he would even still be there because nothing prevented him from leaving (as we can see him on board of a starship with Vader at the end).

At least that's how I explain it to myself. I'm not an expert on the matter so I might be completely wrong.
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Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
December 04 2014 00:24 GMT
#1354
Let's just go with "George Lucas sucks". It's easier and has an equally high - or higher - chance of being accurate.
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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
December 04 2014 04:52 GMT
#1355
So what do you all think, is the Sith in the teaser played by Gwendoline Christie?
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RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-04 07:05:41
December 04 2014 07:04 GMT
#1356
On December 04 2014 08:12 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's George Lucas so it's probably bad writing. Anyways, I hope most of the Extended Universe if not all of it is declared void, and not canon. Most of the stuff in the extended universe, that isn't in the movies and possibly the cartoon series that looks like dexters lab, and some of the games are mostly crap.

I liked most of the stuff that wasn't a direct continuation of the herp derp light vs dark side (young jedi knights garbage through yuuzhan vong) that "ended" with + Show Spoiler +
jacen getting killed off
. The thrawn, x wing, bounty hunter etc. series that were more about space fights and quick thinking than throwing Force blobs at each other were decent enough. I did enjoy the Corran Horn stuff too though.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4552 Posts
December 04 2014 07:38 GMT
#1357
I was hoping they'd make a new trilogy about Jacen Solo, that storyline always looked good to me, though I never actually read the books.

As for 1-3 vs 4-6, some other user pointed out it probably depends on which ones you saw first, and I agree. I watched them from 1 to 6 after buying a full DVD set and found 1-3 to be great, whereas the last 3 where pretty boring and I had to force myself to continue watching.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
December 04 2014 17:29 GMT
#1358
On December 01 2014 03:56 TokO wrote:
I actually loved Naboo. Their starfighters are my favourite ones, and I actually like Jar Jar too. But maybe that's because I hate conforming to popular opinion. Also, if the argument is that it's in for the 'kiddie' appeal, I might be a victim of that as I was a kiddie back when I watched those movies.

I don't really think there's a good reason for the hate towards ep. I-III, it just seems to be some kind of hatetrain originating in some elitist nerds a decade ago or so.


The RedLetterMedia reviews never fully brought me aboard the hate train; they're overrated and long-winded, but when that very first point was made when people were asked to describe the characters' traits and they drew blanks for all the prequel characters, I knew the guy was right about some things. But I still figured I'd watch them for fun in the future, and I knew after first watching them that they lacked what I called the "Han Solo element." The fun of the cantina scenes was sorely lacking (death stix wtf? I mean, funny, but this isn't a video we watch in school).

However, not until recently when I finished the Clone Wars on Netflix, did I find episode III and the prequels in general personally disappointing. I loved Ahsoka Tano's character, but I knew that was not going to be there. I was okay with the line about them meeting General Grievous for the first time in the movie, since the movie couldn't have known a ton of backstory would be filled in afterward. Grievous grew on me a lot in The Clone Wars.

The real disappointment was the contrast between Anakin in the Clone Wars and Anakin in the movies. The Clone Wars version may or may not have translated well to movies, but it was so much better; the guy playing him felt happy to be doing it. Hayden Christiansen looked as uncomfortable in his skin as Richard Nixon, like the pressure to be the main character was eating him alive.

Other performances were somewhere from bland to okayish, but Yoda looked completely wrong, when here I was thinking he only looked wrong in Phantom Menace and was fixed for episodes II and III. Whatever that fix was, it was clearly not enough.

Palpatine was definitely a bright spot, but he can't carry the movie all by himself.

TL:DR The Clone Wars' Rex was a better character than 90% of the prequels' characters, and Clone Wars Anakin>>>>prequel one.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
December 04 2014 17:33 GMT
#1359
The problem with the prequels can be summed up by saying they had horrible character development. Out of all three films, the only character you ever cared about was Jar Jar Binks... and that's only because you kept wanting him to die. It's sad when the only character that isn't forgettable... is a comic relief character that you hate infinitely more than the actual bad guys in the movie.

To make it worse, a lot of the shallow characters in the movies were actually great characters in books. Darth Maul, General Grievous... both of them got shafted hard in the movies.
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Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
December 04 2014 17:35 GMT
#1360
On December 04 2014 09:12 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2014 07:38 Micro_Jackson wrote:
If i remember correctly only episodes 1 to 6 matter for the movies. Which is bad in my opinion because i like the "cold warish" theme of the old republic time periode much more.

I know this was asked recently for sure and its a bit off topic but there is something that bothered me after revenge of the sith: Why didnt Obi-Wan and Yoda go for a second run on fighting Palpatine?
Like the situation was Obi Wan won and Yoda lost just barely so why not get some days of rest and fight the old guy together. Or wait some months, find some surviveing jedis and gang up on Vader.
Is there some reason or just bad writing with "na fuck it lets retire these newborn will do it in 20 years after the bad guys murdered billions"?


Palpatine was able to consolidate his power, clones were hunting the Jedi who were outlawed etc. They got to fight Palpatine because they were "already at the scene" as the plot unraveled and could get near him. After escaping they most likely had to flee the planet or go on a lam somewhere. With a couple of days rest they would have to traverse Coruscant with all the patrols and kill-teams in there (and probably angry populace as we can assume that Palpatine swayed their opinion on the Jedi too), storm the senate (palace?) and then fight Palpatine, if he would even still be there because nothing prevented him from leaving (as we can see him on board of a starship with Vader at the end).

At least that's how I explain it to myself. I'm not an expert on the matter so I might be completely wrong.


That seems good enough to me, plus Obi-Wan always gets conked out leaving his partner to 1v1 with maybe an extra lightsaber.
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