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On May 24 2015 14:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Yeah I struggled with the AM vs meepo thing a bit. You need to itemize to murder him. Even with a well timed heart, he will still kill you a bfly/bkb should rape him pretty hard. Generally do the normal, treads/bfury/vlads then butterfly/bkb in either order. Bkb lets you survive, butterfly lets you kill. Change the order depending on if you are far enough a head. I think you need stats over mana break against the meepo until you have both items. But I always found it awkward and haven't played it enough to really be confident, but in the few games I found building to murder him is the best way to survive, don't waste your time with a heart.
That TP out thing is really interesting, but I think he should have a .5 second window where you can get netted still.
I think you can usually cancel the tp and blink out in that 0.5 second window though.
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when should i buid vlad on am
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On June 30 2015 16:59 soilcow wrote:
when should i buid vlad on am
after battlefury, it ensures you are always at full health, especially when farming ancients and stacks. this means you are always ready to tp and help your team, and it also opens up more "riskier" farm routes as you have full health.
as beesa said earlier, if you farm well, getting vlads only delays your manta by about 2 minutes because of the extra opportunities it gives you.
vlads is the default after bfury imo, if you are under a lot of pressure and can't openly farm on the map, for example ur behind against a storm or qop who has orchid, you will want the manta asap and it's worth skipping or at least delaying vlads.
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Do you get vlads when you have another vlads carrier on your team? I know that is a no-no but anti-mage doesn't really spend much time with his teammates so is it worth it to get a vlads for yourself?
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On June 30 2015 17:26 manicmessiah wrote:
Do you get vlads when you have another vlads carrier on your team? I know that is a no-no but anti-mage doesn't really spend much time with his teammates so is it worth it to get a vlads for yourself?
yes, for that reason you specified. am farms so fast that it isnt even a big investment in the grand scheme of things
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1) Most other heroes don't go Vlads as their second item and your a pos 1 antimage, you should get it first.
2) Vlads is not that good of an item for other heroes, you can tell them to go something else (like HoD)
3) As you said you get the Vlads for other reasons and are generally not close to your team so it doesn't matter that much.
4) Means you can sell it faster and get something else lategame.
So yeah in the off chance someone else gets a Vlads before you still get it, but more likely someone built it after you and then you still have to deal with it.
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it also opens up bfly and abyssal as options after manta instead of pretty much forcing u into heart
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On June 30 2015 17:57 Dead9 wrote:
it also opens up bfly and abyssal as options after manta instead of pretty much forcing u into heart
Vlads or no vlads, you still can go for butterfly or abyssal. It has zero impact on whether you need heart or not.
Am farms so fast after BF anyway that if it means you're constantly at high HP/mana, I would say it's alright to get vlads.
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Well yeah, you won't lose that much HP, but you might find yourself down 200 or so HP from pushing an entire creep wave without yours. You only have the +5 regen from bfly without vlads. Something others didn't mention is that the +5 armor, lifesteal, and +15% damage helps your creeps push much harder when you are splitting.
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On June 30 2015 19:02 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 17:57 Dead9 wrote:
it also opens up bfly and abyssal as options after manta instead of pretty much forcing u into heart Vlads or no vlads, you still can go for butterfly or abyssal. It has zero impact on whether you need heart or not. Am farms so fast after BF anyway that if it means you're constantly at high HP/mana, I would say it's alright to get vlads.
not rly, with vlads u can regen after a fight by hitting creeps. without vlads, you can find yourself very low after a fight and being unable to push. thats partly where having a heart comes in.
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Is crimson guard fighting am still a thing? I remember seeing artes go for it a lot when he was on kpg.
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On June 30 2015 17:26 manicmessiah wrote:
Do you get vlads when you have another vlads carrier on your team? I know that is a no-no but anti-mage doesn't really spend much time with his teammates so is it worth it to get a vlads for yourself?
You can farm faster with Vlads while sustaining HP and doing Roshan solo.
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On July 01 2015 14:05 manicmessiah wrote:
Is crimson guard fighting am still a thing? I remember seeing artes go for it a lot when he was on kpg.
Sounds like a waste of gold, I've never seen anyone try it though.
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On July 01 2015 19:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 14:05 manicmessiah wrote:
Is crimson guard fighting am still a thing? I remember seeing artes go for it a lot when he was on kpg. Sounds like a waste of gold, I've never seen anyone try it though.
I saw Artes build it for Hellraisers, was a while ago that match. I never personally tried it.
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On July 02 2015 07:54 the bear jew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 19:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On July 01 2015 14:05 manicmessiah wrote:
Is crimson guard fighting am still a thing? I remember seeing artes go for it a lot when he was on kpg. Sounds like a waste of gold, I've never seen anyone try it though. I saw Artes build it for Hellraisers, was a while ago that match. I never personally tried it.
Was he laning aganst a brood or undying? Or can you link a replay/vod?
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Vatican City State16 Posts
On June 30 2015 17:57 Dead9 wrote:
it also opens up bfly and abyssal as options after manta instead of pretty much forcing u into heart
Eh, Vlad's is p much useless by late-late game, when heart is core on AM. Vlad's is just a way to have sustain until then.
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On July 02 2015 09:10 QueenKK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 17:57 Dead9 wrote:
it also opens up bfly and abyssal as options after manta instead of pretty much forcing u into heart Eh, Vlad's is p much useless by late-late game, when heart is core on AM. Vlad's is just a way to have sustain until then.
eh since when is the item after manta late late game? Yeah you replace vlads lategame but that has nothing to do with what he said.
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If I'm 5 slotted treads-manta-vlads-bfly-abyssal+tp, maybe with a heart or bkb instead of bfly or abyssal, do I get travels next and then replace treads and then replace vlads or would I replace TP with like a heart and then vlads with bkb before getting travels?
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Depends on the game. Getting travels at any point after manta is probably fine. You just need to split push harder but it depends on the game I like what vlads does for my creeps quite a lot so if I'm splitting more I'd sell my treads over my vlads and get BoT's.
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On June 30 2015 19:50 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well yeah, you won't lose that much HP, but you might find yourself down 200 or so HP from pushing an entire creep wave without yours. You only have the +5 regen from bfly without vlads. Something others didn't mention is that the +5 armor, lifesteal, and +15% damage helps your creeps push much harder when you are splitting.
Yup, I feel that the difference between Vlads and no Vlads is day and night, especially in pubs where the enemy team generally can't deal well with split pushing.
I feel like getting BoTs as soon as possible and split pushing for rax is really strong right now.
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