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On October 14 2018 03:41 giftdgecko wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2018 11:33 haxhax wrote:On October 12 2018 05:58 giftdgecko wrote:
Hoping "health-related reasons" just means the boys are exhausted and need a break I would think not, because that'd be extremely unprofessional. Why? If they are mentally drained and need the break because they aren't in a good place I don't see anything wrong with it assuming it wasn't last minute.
Dropping out of tournaments that you signed up for is unprofessional in the absence of pressing issues. Dropping out of tournaments that you've already played in and qualified for is very unprofessional in the absence of pressing issues. It takes away the chance for other teams to play and qualify, and it messes with the tournament's organizers. If Liquid hadn't been in the qualifier, we'd likely see mangobay play in the minor. But now that team no longer exists - those players probably feel pretty cheated right about now.
So I would hope think that there is a more legitimate explanation than "they're just tired". If you want to take a break, take one before signing up for and playing in qualifiers.
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On October 14 2018 19:45 wims80 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2018 03:41 giftdgecko wrote:On October 12 2018 11:33 haxhax wrote:On October 12 2018 05:58 giftdgecko wrote:
Hoping "health-related reasons" just means the boys are exhausted and need a break I would think not, because that'd be extremely unprofessional. Why? If they are mentally drained and need the break because they aren't in a good place I don't see anything wrong with it assuming it wasn't last minute. How are they mentally drained after having a two month holiday tho? I guess that's what he referenced when he said it was unprofessional
They took Aegis last season(7).
In the new season(8) they won tournaments or occupied 2/3places (8).
A team with a nameless schedule had only one player leave for 2 weeks (Miracle).
Took 4th place in the largest tournament,
Fucking bastards you'll ever be happy?
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On October 15 2018 07:41 haxhax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2018 03:41 giftdgecko wrote:On October 12 2018 11:33 haxhax wrote:On October 12 2018 05:58 giftdgecko wrote:
Hoping "health-related reasons" just means the boys are exhausted and need a break I would think not, because that'd be extremely unprofessional. Why? If they are mentally drained and need the break because they aren't in a good place I don't see anything wrong with it assuming it wasn't last minute. Dropping out of tournaments that you signed up for is unprofessional in the absence of pressing issues. Dropping out of tournaments that you've already played in and qualified for is very unprofessional in the absence of pressing issues. It takes away the chance for other teams to play and qualify, and it messes with the tournament's organizers. If Liquid hadn't been in the qualifier, we'd likely see mangobay play in the minor. But now that team no longer exists - those players probably feel pretty cheated right about now. So I would hope think that there is a more legitimate explanation than the "they're just tired". If you want to take a break, take one before signing up for and playing in qualifiers.
Why is something about professionalism written by a fan of the team that sucked 1.5 years?
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On October 15 2018 09:57 Meta 2-1-2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2018 07:41 haxhax wrote:On October 14 2018 03:41 giftdgecko wrote:On October 12 2018 11:33 haxhax wrote:On October 12 2018 05:58 giftdgecko wrote:
Hoping "health-related reasons" just means the boys are exhausted and need a break I would think not, because that'd be extremely unprofessional. Why? If they are mentally drained and need the break because they aren't in a good place I don't see anything wrong with it assuming it wasn't last minute. Dropping out of tournaments that you signed up for is unprofessional in the absence of pressing issues. Dropping out of tournaments that you've already played in and qualified for is very unprofessional in the absence of pressing issues. It takes away the chance for other teams to play and qualify, and it messes with the tournament's organizers. If Liquid hadn't been in the qualifier, we'd likely see mangobay play in the minor. But now that team no longer exists - those players probably feel pretty cheated right about now. So I would hope think that there is a more legitimate explanation than the "they're just tired". If you want to take a break, take one before signing up for and playing in qualifiers. Why is something about professionalism written by a fan of the team that sucked 1.5 years?
Because sucking does not equal unprofessionalism.
Edit: Thank God he is temp banned.
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On October 15 2018 07:41 haxhax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2018 03:41 giftdgecko wrote:On October 12 2018 11:33 haxhax wrote:On October 12 2018 05:58 giftdgecko wrote:
Hoping "health-related reasons" just means the boys are exhausted and need a break I would think not, because that'd be extremely unprofessional. Why? If they are mentally drained and need the break because they aren't in a good place I don't see anything wrong with it assuming it wasn't last minute. Dropping out of tournaments that you signed up for is unprofessional in the absence of pressing issues. Dropping out of tournaments that you've already played in and qualified for is very unprofessional in the absence of pressing issues. It takes away the chance for other teams to play and qualify, and it messes with the tournament's organizers. If Liquid hadn't been in the qualifier, we'd likely see mangobay play in the minor. But now that team no longer exists - those players probably feel pretty cheated right about now. So I would hope think that there is a more legitimate explanation than "they're just tired". If you want to take a break, take one before signing up for and playing in qualifiers.
They didn't do anything with the intent of dropping out eventually. It just happened that they realized they seriously needed a break after the fact. Surprisingly, the Liquid Dota 2 team consists of humans and with humans, you have to understand not everything is predictable.
Humans should not work at the cost of their own health in order to be seen as "professional". And yes, being tired is a perfectly good excuse to drop out of a DOTA tournament lol. Another team got in and life moves on. It's so ridiculous that you're actually complaining that people are prioritizing their health.
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On October 19 2018 01:30 juuto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2018 07:41 haxhax wrote:On October 14 2018 03:41 giftdgecko wrote:On October 12 2018 11:33 haxhax wrote:On October 12 2018 05:58 giftdgecko wrote:
Hoping "health-related reasons" just means the boys are exhausted and need a break I would think not, because that'd be extremely unprofessional. Why? If they are mentally drained and need the break because they aren't in a good place I don't see anything wrong with it assuming it wasn't last minute. Dropping out of tournaments that you signed up for is unprofessional in the absence of pressing issues. Dropping out of tournaments that you've already played in and qualified for is very unprofessional in the absence of pressing issues. It takes away the chance for other teams to play and qualify, and it messes with the tournament's organizers. If Liquid hadn't been in the qualifier, we'd likely see mangobay play in the minor. But now that team no longer exists - those players probably feel pretty cheated right about now. So I would hope think that there is a more legitimate explanation than "they're just tired". If you want to take a break, take one before signing up for and playing in qualifiers. They didn't do anything with the intent of dropping out eventually. It just happened that they realized they seriously needed a break after the fact. Surprisingly, the Liquid Dota 2 team consists of humans and with humans, you have to understand not everything is predictable. Humans should not work at the cost of their own health in order to be seen as "professional". And yes, being tired is a perfectly good excuse to drop out of a DOTA tournament lol. Another team got in and life moves on. It's so ridiculous that you're actually complaining that people are prioritizing their health.
Why are you so intent on calling it nothing but a regular break? If you read my post I'm arguing that this shouldn't just be a regular break. Do you think so little of Liquid that they would screw over teams and organizers for such trivial reasons?
If you are this far into a tournament already you should just power through it if there are no pressing issues preventing you. Because you're supposed to be a professional.
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I tend to agree that teams should be discouraged from just dropping out of tournaments at such a late stage. Obviously these are humans and a break may be exactly what they need at the current time. There's no shame in that, but the point about mangobay is well made. These decisions have ripple effects. Most importantly one of the basic rules of being a good human is that if you commit to something, you should see it through. Not saying the TL players are bad people, but this is somewhat poor form.
All this is assuming there's not some serious, unforeseen circumstance we don't know about of course.
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On October 19 2018 07:11 haxhax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2018 01:30 juuto wrote:On October 15 2018 07:41 haxhax wrote:On October 14 2018 03:41 giftdgecko wrote:On October 12 2018 11:33 haxhax wrote:On October 12 2018 05:58 giftdgecko wrote:
Hoping "health-related reasons" just means the boys are exhausted and need a break I would think not, because that'd be extremely unprofessional. Why? If they are mentally drained and need the break because they aren't in a good place I don't see anything wrong with it assuming it wasn't last minute. Dropping out of tournaments that you signed up for is unprofessional in the absence of pressing issues. Dropping out of tournaments that you've already played in and qualified for is very unprofessional in the absence of pressing issues. It takes away the chance for other teams to play and qualify, and it messes with the tournament's organizers. If Liquid hadn't been in the qualifier, we'd likely see mangobay play in the minor. But now that team no longer exists - those players probably feel pretty cheated right about now. So I would hope think that there is a more legitimate explanation than "they're just tired". If you want to take a break, take one before signing up for and playing in qualifiers. They didn't do anything with the intent of dropping out eventually. It just happened that they realized they seriously needed a break after the fact. Surprisingly, the Liquid Dota 2 team consists of humans and with humans, you have to understand not everything is predictable. Humans should not work at the cost of their own health in order to be seen as "professional". And yes, being tired is a perfectly good excuse to drop out of a DOTA tournament lol. Another team got in and life moves on. It's so ridiculous that you're actually complaining that people are prioritizing their health. Why are you so intent on calling it nothing but a regular break? If you read my post I'm arguing that this shouldn't just be a regular break. Do you think so little of Liquid that they would screw over teams and organizers for such trivial reasons? If you are this far into a tournament already you should just power through it if there are no pressing issues preventing you. Because you're supposed to be a professional.
I just think you're only intent on seeing things as more negative than they actually are.
Liquid realizing they need to prioritizing their health instead of attending the minor is not "screwing over teams and organizers", it's called pulling out of a tournament to take a break. The organizers should be doing a good enough job that they can survive without Liquid and your point about teams being screwed over isn't even remotely based in reality.
The minor is not only a tournament with DPC points on the line but it's also a ticket into the major. So you want Liquid, a team that's intending on taking a break afterwards, to kick teams out of a DPC tournament and major qualifier just to be seen as "professional" in your eyes? I definitely think the teams that would've been kicked out by Liquid would disagree with you that they got screwed over.
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I think that people don't believe there is a health problem because TL didn't say what it is or who is the persons with it. So many see it as an accused to drop out of tournament for other reason.
So this discussion is based on assumptions and guesswork rather than facts, because of lack of communication from liquid.
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if it's mental health I'm 100% behind them not wanting to out the person
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On October 15 2018 09:57 Meta 2-1-2 wrote:
Why is something about professionalism written by a fan of the team that sucked 1.5 years?
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Someone is still very salty from TI :D
About the team, I find the start of this season very strange, getting kicked out of Qualifier by t3- teams, playing with standings for the majority of matches, and now backing out from their only chance to make it to the first major (which, considering the new system, seems to be an important condition to make a good run this year).
I totally agree with the recent posts, the lack of details in TL communication is the primary cause of people questionning this health issues, and thus starting to extrapolate about other possible problems.
But I'm also sharing the overall feeling that something is definitly off this fall for my beloved team. Anyway I just hope that everyone's health will eventually get better and that they'll come back stronger than ever !
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On October 22 2018 16:32 LemOn wrote:
if it's mental health I'm 100% behind them not wanting to out the person
Think the last they could do is give some sort of time line, even if its uncertain just say that. Also would be nice to know reason not to use stand in as they did in qual. They don't have to give specific illness.
This lack of information gives growth to much speculation even about things like mental health or motivation. or team chemistry. Think most possible honesty is best way of dealing with such things.
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On October 22 2018 19:59 Sapaio wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2018 16:32 LemOn wrote:
if it's mental health I'm 100% behind them not wanting to out the person Think the last they could do is give some sort of time line, even if its uncertain just say that. Also would be nice to know reason not to use stand in as they did in qual. They don't have to give specific illness. This lack of information gives growth to much speculation even about things like mental health or motivation. or team chemistry. Think most possible honesty is best way of dealing with such things.
best for the fans maybe, not best for the team. If (worst case scenario) one of the players is seriously ill, be it mental or physical, it should always be up to their wishes to publically share or withhold information.
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Yeah for the fans
But it's post TI season
Shouldn't affect sponsors much
if it's a mental health issue you can't really give a timeline anyways
And the rest of the team might prefer to rest + scrim instead of travel with a stand-in
It's not like Liquid will ever be in danger of not qualifying for TI even with a few months break
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Hmm thats a possibility that we all kind of missed. Everyone assumed that because of how awesome the team is, they all resigned their contracts.
Seems very plausible however, that there may be some issues during the negotiations. Also that may be the actual reason why they played like shit, and got 1:8 vs t3 teams.
It will be a huge mistake, to release such a roster, but im pretty sure that Liquid management has their reasons.
Lets hope every issue that they may have will be resolved.
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I kinda knew about this but i thought they renewed their contract after they said no change to the team
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Whatever it is, this is not it, at least according to Mohamed the Manager.
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Whatever it is, I hope they stick together  Would love to hear any news from the TL team if possible?
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On October 23 2018 04:33 korendir wrote:Whatever it is, I hope they stick together Would love to hear any news from the TL team if possible?
They should replaced Kuroku long ago because he is picking some crap and find a strong carry player instead Matumbaman with spider spam 24/7 or he is not on the map.
I understand that Miracle- like Leo Messi in dota 2 but this is a team game too. You can't win 3 vs 7
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