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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 01 2015 08:53 FHDH wrote: EG fans were literally one million times worse -- one MILLION -- when their success was fresh. One million. Seems fitting when they've won millions more  . | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On May 01 2015 07:03 00Visor wrote: Secret has lost 1 out of the 17 matches between DAC and Starladder LAN. Alltime have they have a 80% winrate which is pretty unmatched by anyone. I don't wanna claim they are #1 Western (and certainly not overall), but its ridicoulous how many people shit on Secret when they have one bad LAN. Who cares about their alltime winrate when all of it comes from online qualifier games? Their DAC performance was a frankenstein of amazing group stage BO1s turned to barely making it to the third place off the back of some very silly mistakes by their opponents. (which is still a good result and all credit to them for achieving it but after a 15-0 group stage and all the hype as the 'super team' that's not the result people expected). Their Starladder performance is, well, you know. I mean, they're a team called by many the best team in the scene; and they themselves said many times that they wouldn't settle for anything but being number one - yet out of their two LANs so far, one was an utter trainwreck. There's a difference between having one bad LAN after winning ten and having one terrible LAN after only showing up online, you know. | ||
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zdarr
France375 Posts
On May 01 2015 07:37 Azimuth wrote: Reason why many hate Secret is a part of their fanbase overrates the shit out of them. EG wins a tournament with 2nd highest prizepool in history of Esports? Some hype here and there but fans aren't half as annoying as the Secret fans and EG fans actually have a reason to be annoying, their team won unlike Secret who wasn't won anything and yet is hyped a whole lot more than teams that actually win stuff. I don't like Secret, I have my reasons and I don't think anybody cares about them but what I do hate is a part of their fanbase that is obnoxious to say the least. people that overhype secret aren't fans of the team, but mostly fan of the other teams. It's a pretty natural reaction, i guess all c9 fans will overhype vg/secret/eg before a tournament, and eg fan will overhype vg/secret. And seriously, beside some casters and some troll, there aren't many people claming secret is #1 world On May 01 2015 11:51 Salazarz wrote:. I mean, they're a team called by many the best team in the scene; and they themselves said many times that they wouldn't settle for anything but being number one - yet out of their two LANs so far, one was an utter trainwreck. It's just something common to every athlete in the world ? In every sports, you'll have athlete favorites to win who will claim wanting to be number one and very few achieve that. And in every sports you'll see favorites teams fall far from anyone's expectation , including the team... On May 01 2015 11:51 Salazarz wrote:. There's a difference between having one bad LAN after winning ten and having one terrible LAN after only showing up online, you know. Can you remember me what was the first lan of this line up and how high they ended ? Can you compare that lan, to the 2nd lan they did? | ||
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trollcenter
362 Posts
Secret are liked for their personalities and their all-star roster, who cares if EG isn't as popular when it's obvious as hell they are way better and more accomplished? Any comparison of results will render any "Secret is the best" post useless, not that it needs to considering they're mostly coming from trolls. Na'Vi was also the most popular western team even when Alliance and EG were better, let's just pretend that this erases any respectable result in that period because, you know, people liked them. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10861 Posts
But i don't like EE so C9 is ruled out. Actually i would like to have old Fnatic back  . Didn't win anything big but was fun to watch them. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 01 2015 15:54 Velr wrote: I just like Puppey/Kuroky.... And Notail. But i don't like EE so C9 is ruled out. Actually i would like to have old Fnatic back . Didn't win anything big but was fun to watch them.Secret was a lot more fun to watch when they had n0tail. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
I guess the real problem in these kind of conversations is that usually people make such an effort to avoid points bringing into the table excuses or different topics. Can the ones backing Secret accept that even after the 15-0 they are not putting a performance to back that 15-0 and that the team before that 15-0 was a different team? If your reasons is your fanaticism, it will do you good to realize not everything is as good as you believe or want it to be. If your excuses are another team's performance then we can move over to that team's thread and discuss it there. | ||
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HighTimeDotA
Canada1412 Posts
On May 01 2015 09:42 FHDH wrote: Also Secret inherited Arteezy's dumb ass fans. how dare you diss rtz fanboys, 1v1 tl perma ban sf vs sf. and no im not joking cuz i know i would smash you. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 02 2015 12:31 HighTimeDotA wrote: how dare you diss rtz fanboys, 1v1 tl perma ban sf vs sf. and no im not joking cuz i know i would smash you. You probably would since I've played SF like twice | ||
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HighTimeDotA
Canada1412 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
The only thing bad about them is when you compare to what is expected of them. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On May 02 2015 15:18 DucK- wrote: Why can't people just accept that secret is a good team that is probably overhyped, and have underachieved in many tournaments. The fact that they performed poorer than expected does not change the fact that their overall results and performances have been good. Give their results and performances to a team like Tinker or Alliance and suddenly we would be hyping Tinker/Alliance as favourites to win tournaments. The only thing bad about them is when you compare to what is expected of them. Exactly, and after that comes the defenders of the expected. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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zdarr
France375 Posts
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trollcenter
362 Posts
I think it's still early to make a judgement on their real strength, given the fact that they only had 2 lans with the current roster (one good one, one bad one) but there are things that worry me. S4 choked in many of their big lan matches ever since their team was formed, same as Puppey with his drafts, zai has looked really off since DAC and then we have the issue of them having 2 mid players and no real carry, which hinders their strategies quite a bit. But to not recognise them as a good team based on their results so far just because they didn't fulfill the highest expectations is a bit silly, I think they're definitely a top 5 candidate at TI although I can't see them winning it. They need to find a solution to their s4/rtz role conflict and polish their overall play before being in contention for big tournament wins. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
I don't know exactly how to order a top5 given that pretty much all of the top teams around the world changed their lineups at some point in the last 4 months and they've each only played at most 2 LANs or so. But let's say that I would be a bit surprised if a team outside of VG, iG, LGD, EG, c9 and Secret gets into top3 at TI. I would also be a bit surprised if any of these teams fall outside of the top8. The next few LANs will give a better idea of where Secret is heading. I highly doubt they will do as poorly as they did at SL. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
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Murkinlol
United States366 Posts
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Azimuth
231 Posts
Also: "I expect us to win every LAN" - S4 2015 | ||
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