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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
The system is terribly cryptic and flawed | ||
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Racket
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On April 29 2015 20:40 Faruko wrote: ^ This, if there was some kind of qualifiers or at least some kind of point system, nobody would be arguing about this and players/teams would know also. The system is terribly cryptic and flawed That is right. Totally right. We will get there, sometime. In between we can argue to our hearts' content. For me it is EG, C9, Secret and Empire. Everyone else to qualifiers. | ||
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caiovigg
Brazil1802 Posts
On April 29 2015 20:33 Salazarz wrote: This is why you need a better and more transparent invite system. The fact that arguments are even possible at all, no matter whether you think people arguing are 'delusional' or whatever, is dumb. What's even worse is that even players don't know exactly how the system works. people are arguing based on their prefferences. It's just a matter of how many invites there are going to be. EG -> NA secret/c9/empire -> EU VG/IG/LGD -> china the only region we can argue is SEA, with rave and MY. And I think MY is getting the invite. | ||
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govie
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Racket
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On April 30 2015 01:35 govie wrote: vp more points then empire, c9 or secret. reviving the fire uh? | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
He is listening to Chicago <3 | ||
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common_cider
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There series record against mostly tier 1 teams is 95-7-17. None of their players have performance problems. All players have ebbs and flows in their performance. Reqarding a massive total of 2 series at Starladder where they went 1-4. A) Malaysia caught them off completely guard with aggression in game 1. Game 3 was probably 60:40 their adv pregrame, but they lost. it happens. B) They had a horrible draft in game 1, and had almost no chance of winning pregame. Game 2 they could've banned wisp sniper, but they didn't. Still, they were winning until the debacle at Rosh. Both series were easily winnable. Things like this happen. Please don't over react to a sample size of 2 series. Did people forget their recent series against CLoud9? Secret could've easily gotten 3rd at Starladder. It just didn't work out this time. TLDR; Secret is fine | ||
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govie
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FHDH
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Racket
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On May 01 2015 01:59 FHDH wrote: Secret is not fine. They are playing musical captains. This is a terrible sign. *Song | ||
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WolfintheSheep
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Azimuth
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On May 01 2015 03:35 WolfintheSheep wrote: Wait, there are still people calling Secret the #1 Western team? Never heard best western, always best in the world alhough ironically Secret has never been either of those 2 except for those 2 days at DAC group stage. | ||
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trollcenter
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 01 2015 06:23 trollcenter wrote: Yeh, let's all jump on the whine bandwagon because an objectively strong team judging by results is still not as good as some of their fans claim. Good post buddy please post more and not less. | ||
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trollcenter
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Since it probably flew over your head, the post was referring to those who are waiting for Secret to lose only to come here and complain about how they were always overrated. As if having fans somehow diminishes any result that's not a huge tournament win. They do have some obvious problems atm, not just because of their loss at SL but also the way they lost. Still don't see how their fanbase is relevant to their performance now, the same way I don't see how it was relevant when they were doing better. This just seems like an oportunity for cheap shots from people who can't stand seeing a team being popular. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On May 01 2015 04:01 Azimuth wrote: Never heard best western, always best in the world alhough ironically Secret has never been either of those 2 except for those 2 days at DAC group stage. Even then, some of those wins were so sketchy. I'm much more interested in what they're going to do in 6.84 though. The talent is obviouly there and as long as they're still motivated a new patch could be what they need. I'd still say they're the best team in EU though. Cloud 2 might be more consistent but Secret always seems to roll them in the head to head games. | ||
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00Visor
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On May 01 2015 04:01 Azimuth wrote: Never heard best western, always best in the world alhough ironically Secret has never been either of those 2 except for those 2 days at DAC group stage. Secret has lost 1 out of the 17 matches between DAC and Starladder LAN. Alltime have they have a 80% winrate which is pretty unmatched by anyone. I don't wanna claim they are #1 Western (and certainly not overall), but its ridicoulous how many people shit on Secret when they have one bad LAN. | ||
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govie
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On May 01 2015 06:36 trollcenter wrote: Since it probably flew over your head, the post was referring to those who are waiting for Secret to lose only to come here and complain about how they were always overrated. As if having fans somehow diminishes any result that's not a huge tournament win. They do have some obvious problems atm, not just because of their loss at SL but also the way they lost. Still don't see how their fanbase is relevant to their performance now, the same way I don't see how it was relevant when they were doing better. This just seems like an oportunity for cheap shots from people who can't stand seeing a team being popular. You are really blindsided imo, like 95% of the dotafans support winners not losers. The new secret were never doing better then they are doing now, both times when push came to shove (after qualifier matches) they choked really early in lanfinals with their 5 so called toptier players. So yes, if they choke some more, dotafans just jump ship to support a winning team, thats what they have allways done. I wonder what will happen if god forbid, they choke on their 3rd lan, because managers dont like repetative results without progress. Ofcourse i want to see secret at ti, but im not convinced they will not choke again. | ||
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Azimuth
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EG wins a tournament with 2nd highest prizepool in history of Esports? Some hype here and there but fans aren't half as annoying as the Secret fans and EG fans actually have a reason to be annoying, their team won unlike Secret who wasn't won anything and yet is hyped a whole lot more than teams that actually win stuff. I don't like Secret, I have my reasons and I don't think anybody cares about them but what I do hate is a part of their fanbase that is obnoxious to say the least. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 01 2015 07:37 Azimuth wrote: Reason why many hate Secret is a part of their fanbase overrates the shit out of them. EG wins a tournament with 2nd highest prizepool in history of Esports? Some hype here and there but fans aren't half as annoying as the Secret fans and EG fans actually have a reason to be annoying, their team won unlike Secret who wasn't won anything and yet is hyped a whole lot more than teams that actually win stuff. I don't like Secret, I have my reasons and I don't think anybody cares about them but what I do hate is a part of their fanbase that is obnoxious to say the least. EG fans were literally one million times worse -- one MILLION -- when their success was fresh. One million. | ||
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