EPTSecret is basically hyped to win tournaments or lose only to VG or something, and have really only made one LAN finals. So basically they're C9, just without the spectacular throws.
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Secret is basically hyped to win tournaments or lose only to VG or something, and have really only made one LAN finals. So basically they're C9, just without the spectacular throws. | ||
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zdarr
France375 Posts
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govie
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Racket
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On May 03 2015 02:49 Murkinlol wrote: Pretty much every team is shit unless you win something. So only VG and EG are halfway decent. Quality threads on this site. So much fire coming from you... On May 03 2015 04:08 Azimuth wrote: It's simple,certain Secret fanboys overrate the fuck out of the team, the team then doesn't achieve what these fanboys were hyping them to achieve and then the community rubs it in. Simple as that really. Also: "I expect us to win every LAN" - S4 2015 Nailed it. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On May 03 2015 04:11 WolfintheSheep wrote: Secret's really the only top team that underachieves every time. VG is expected to win, and they generally do. C9 is expected to do well and then flop near the end, then they do. EG is always expected to lose against the favourites in the semis or finals for some reason, and somehow overachieve (except at MLG, lol). Secret is basically hyped to win tournaments or lose only to VG or something, and have really only made one LAN finals. So basically they're C9, just without the spectacular throws. The summit and ESL, both loss against VG, DAC was VG then EG so basically they have only underperform (according to you Secret is expected to A) reach a finals or B) lose against VG*) in their last LAN, every other LAN has been a loss to the team that its expected to win (and generally do), and they won the other 2 online tournaments. Nothing out of the ordinary, they did what they had to, except in the last SL... *B) its basically because if VG is expected to win --> you are supposed to lose to them. | ||
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Churrass
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On May 03 2015 04:08 Azimuth wrote: It's simple,certain Secret fanboys overrate the fuck out of the team, the team then doesn't achieve what these fanboys were hyping them to achieve and then the community rubs it in. Simple as that really. Also: "I expect us to win every LAN" - S4 2015 "I expect us to get roflstomped at every LAN " would be better ? | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 03 2015 06:08 Faruko wrote: The summit and ESL, both loss against VG, DAC was VG then EG so basically they have only underperform (according to you Secret is expected to A) reach a finals or B) lose against VG*) in their last LAN, every other LAN has been a loss to the team that its expected to win (and generally do), and they won the other 2 online tournaments. Nothing out of the ordinary, they did what they had to, except in the last SL... *B) its basically because if VG is expected to win --> you are supposed to lose to them. There was another Starladder in there as well. But the expectation that they can only lose to VG is more that Secret's viewed frequently as the only competition against the top Chinese teams...which is just as much Eastern bias as it is Secret. Really, if you swap EG and Secret's results in the last 7 months, that's basically what the fanbase and the betting odds tend to say about either team. | ||
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Nikto
Slovakia410 Posts
those of us, who are realists see what is going on, those who are not are not, period, you will not be able to persuade them... i'm looking forward to the upcoming LAN events and good dota, if they perform, great, if not, well whatever. but you always expect your team to play for the win otherwise there is no point... | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On May 03 2015 07:23 WolfintheSheep wrote: There was another Starladder in there as well. But the expectation that they can only lose to VG is more that Secret's viewed frequently as the only competition against the top Chinese teams...which is just as much Eastern bias as it is Secret. Really, if you swap EG and Secret's results in the last 7 months, that's basically what the fanbase and the betting odds tend to say about either team. Yes, they reach the finals and lost to EG but my point is that you say that they always underperform, yet the way you see things, their results (besides last SL) its just what it should have been. Im just saying that while fanboys are wrong with them being unbeatable or the best team world, naysayers, who say this team sucks and bla bla bla... are also wrong. | ||
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goody153
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Pomza
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On May 04 2015 14:52 goody153 wrote: https://twitter.com/s4dota/status/595097323497132032 Nice photo of S4 and a fan. | ||
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Hai1Fyre
South Africa270 Posts
On May 04 2015 14:52 goody153 wrote: https://twitter.com/s4dota/status/595097323497132032 Beat me to it, was just about to post it... S4 confirmed standin for 1D  | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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Gear 3rd
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 @ FHDH I felt the same (fortunately) | ||
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goody153
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that guy from 1 Direction probably doesn't know shit about dota 2 | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
First off, the late-game style that Secret tried to use at SL12 took a hit, and they ought to see that, and move away from that style because it already wasn't working for them in 6.83. Second, with the first 10-15 minutes taking on greater importance, and all of Puppey's signature jungle heroes - Chen, Enchantress, and Enigma - being buffed, that's screaming a specific style, and Secret needs to listen, and not shut him out. Third, Zai needs to work out his issues with Puppey & Kuroky, whatever they are, because his performance in SL 12 was shit and looked to be that of a guy who no longer cares. Provided the above occurs, Secret's easily capable of running a style in which they control the game early on with Puppey's jungle heroes, and then transitions into S4 rotating to play 4p1 while Arteezy farms. Of course, it's preferred for Arteezy to get active, but I haven't seen Arteezy do that very well in the past with Secret, so small steps first. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
All those talks aside; when is the next chance to find out how Secret are doing atm and with the new patch? Anyone knows the next match? | ||
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
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zdarr
France375 Posts
On May 04 2015 18:39 goody153 wrote: i didn't actually know who the guy is until somebody said he was from 1D .. i just posted it here cause it'a an s4 pic that guy from 1 Direction probably doesn't know shit about dota 2 Do you think S4 is a one direction fan ? I'd have thought this guy played amateur dota and had some interrest in competitive like Jeremy Lin (the nba player from houston rockets you see in the TI documentary) | ||
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